Christian marriage is man and woman/husband and wife.

[99percentatheism]

There is no secular or theological challenge to be made that a "Christian marriage" isn't immutably a man and woman/husband and wife. Therefore, it should be a criminal act under current hate crimes laws, to accuse a Christian of hate, bigotry, or irrational . . ., if they assert the immutability of the structure of marriage as man and woman/husband and wife.

As Jesus proclaimed it in the Gospels and the writings reaffirm and define it so.

Why would anyone, religious or secularist, NOT support and affirm Christians adhering to the consistent and immutable Biblical teaching that a marriage is a man/husband and woman/wife?

[Sonofason]

You must understand that a Christian is a follower of Christ. You cannot say that you are following Christ if what you do is contradict and oppose the teachings of Christ.

All other courses of action are depraved courses of action, at least according to Christ.

So, you follow every teaching of Christ? Seriously?

I believe every teaching of Christ. I believe Christ was telling the truth in every thing He said. I believe all my attempts to be like Him have been vain attempts, and that I am most depraved. Do I follow Christ? Honestly, and hopelessly, I'm trying to follow Him. If He weren't at times carrying me along with Him, by now, I'd have been left far behind.

[A Troubled Man]

You must understand that a Christian is a follower of Christ. You cannot say that you are following Christ if what you do is contradict and oppose the teachings of Christ.

All other courses of action are depraved courses of action, at least according to Christ.

So, you follow every teaching of Christ? Seriously?

I believe every teaching of Christ. I believe Christ was telling the truth in every thing He said. I believe all my attempts to be like Him have been vain attempts, and that I am most depraved. Do I follow Christ? Honestly, and hopelessly, I'm trying to follow Him. If He weren't at times carrying me along with Him, by now, I'd have been left far behind.

"Whoever curses father or mother shall die" Mark 7:10

He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death. Matthew 15:4-7

...the scripture cannot be broken. --Jesus Christ, John 10:35


So, have you killed anyone for cursing, yet?

[Clownboat]

Clownboat

Identical is a misnomer. They really are different. How different? well that depends. Biologically, the way identical twins come about is that a early embryo splits in two. Both halves then develop into babies. They are genetically identical, but that does not mean that their bodies are identical. As embryos (and babies, children and adults) grow and develop, there are tone of environmental factors that effect the development. These factors cause drift (for lack of a better word), so the two identical twins slowly become less and less identical.
http://askdoctorscience.wordpress.com/h ... cal-twins/

Yet, being genetically identical causes the likelihood of sharing the same sexual preference to be 5 times greater when compared to twins that are not genetically identical. Do you see where genetics seems to have an impact on sexual preference?

I see environment as well. But where is it taught that someones thinking makes equal an action? Serial killers have to be genetically motivated too then. Who would "choose" to slaughter people?

You forgot to answer the question.
"Yet, being genetically identical causes the likelihood of sharing the same sexual preference to be 5 times greater when compared to twins that are not genetically identical. Do you see where genetics seems to have an impact on sexual preference?"

To answer your strawman/dodge: Psychopaths.

Genetically identical, does not mean they will make the same choices. Your argument is moot unless you can show otherwise.

Whoa, whoa wait a minute. It's you claiming that. Five times greater as you put it.

Yes, when genetics are involved, sexual preference is 5 times as likely to be shared between twins.

This does not mean both twins will choose the same profession. I'm really not sure why you are having such a hard time understanding this observation.

You must lead or have lead a boring sexual life.

Because I stand for equal rights?
How is my sex life even relevant?

Homosexuality just takes opportunity and some lube.

You are forgetting one key component. Desire. You see 99, I lack said desire.
Can I assume that you struggle with this desire? I assume so sense you only mention the need for opportunity and lube. This tells me that the desire is already there.

Now, my parent's raised me to know that homosexuality was wrong, so I steered clear of the opportunities when they arose.

Blame mommy and daddy for your lack of equal rights. Nice.

This whole notion that homosexuality isn't introduced via seduction is rather naive to the point of silliness. I mean the very word "orientation" points to an orientation process. Orientation is a time of being taught something. And we do have the term "turned out" well ensconced in gay culture.

"Homosexuality is a choice, just look at the word orientation."

That's your evidence?!?! Now THAT is silly.

Try to seduce me all you want, I just don't have the desire to be with men. I am evidence that homosexuality is not a choice or that it is introduced via seduction.

I lived a secular life through the most libidinous time in my life. I have no problem with anyone that posts here throwing out the self-laothing gay guy tactic. I've been through this ubiquitous comeback from so many adversaries that I couldn't possibly count it up. It would though, continue to prove my positions utterly solid if i were into homosexuality and rejected it for a proper Christian life. I am not on the merry-go-round of the spirit of this age, and I have enough debased actions on my record anyway. One or two more regrets isn't going to change much. And nothing I've done in the degenerate category changes Christian truth at all.

Be that as it may, Christian marriage is still man and woman/husband and wife. None of the Kings Horses and none of the kings men can change that. Nor can all the secularized voices on the United States Supreme Court.

Now, if you'd like to address the OP, give it a try to prove it wrong.

I am very comfortable with truth now.

This keeps getting missed:

You forgot to answer the question again. Third time is the charm possibly?
"Yet, being genetically identical causes the likelihood of sharing the same sexual preference to be 5 times greater when compared to twins that are not genetically identical. Do you see where genetics seems to have an impact on sexual preference?"

Serial rapists then, have the same congenital excuse for their immoral behavior. Promiscuos people the same thing no matter the STD's they spread knowingly to others. Aren't you showing that not homosexuality as a mental disorder shouldn't have been taken out of the DSM? Any more than Downs Syndrome should no longer be considered a congenital disorder?

The only reason in your last post that once again suggested to me that you struggle with homosexuality is when you said:
"Homosexuality just takes opportunity and some lube."

It also takes desire.

OK. Sin comes from desire in Christian theology. There is also desire in getting someone drunk and seducing them. I have spoken with many young people that say they were seduced by someone of the same gender into having sex with them.

You left that out, which lead to the conclusion that you have the desire (and likely assume everyone also has the same desire). This was not an attack, it was an analysis of your words.

Yawn.

Back to the OP. If Christian marriage is a man and a woman, then I would think Christians would be against gay marriage. Many Christians are not against gay marriage, so a Christian marriage only being between a man and a women only holds true for some Christians.

Some Christians do not believe what the Bible says on a whole host of things. I "test all things" Christian with the New Testament. Marriage is immutably mand and woman in it. I just don't follow Denoms or people that call themslves Christians and support what is unsupportable in scripture. I also reject the spirit of this age.

Read Jude's letter and get back to me. But if you need, I'll repost some of it for probably the hundredth time.

Can you prove that those other Christians are not really true Christians, or will you admit that some Christians see gay marriage as ok and some don't?

Here at this website, I am not allowed to assert nor charge that people are not Christians when they say they are. If that rule wasn't in place, I would most assuredly address this. And I certainly need to obey the rules here right?

Send me a PM if you'd like. But I think Jude, Peter and Jesus speak well on the subject. And I agree with them.

If there is a reason that you should be allowed to speak on behalf of all Christians, please inform us of the reason.

The New Testament. And I am not speaking for all Christians, but rather about Christian theology. I am also, just agreeing with the ones that wrote the New Testament. I am not a Christian that jettisons the reality I do not like, because of some pop culture fad going on in the world.

I hereby decree that Christian marriage is between a man a woman/husband and wife in 99%'s view.

Obviously, not all Christians share 99%'s view, so Christian marriage therefore by definition cannot be only between a man and a woman.

Is it for some, like 99%, but why should any of the rest of us care?

[Clownboat]

Please note the statement that was made, and who the statement pertains to. We are here talking about "Christian marriage." A "Christian marriage" with no doubt is a marriage that takes place immutably between a man and a woman, a husband and a wife. There is no other "Christian marriage."

You would need to take that up with the Christians that disagree with you. Them being Christians and all.

Perhaps they would view you as not being loving and accepting like their Jesus was. Perhaps you would not be the true Christian.

[Clownboat]

You must understand that a Christian is a follower of Christ. You cannot say that you are following Christ if what you do is contradict and oppose the teachings of Christ.

All other courses of action are depraved courses of action, at least according to Christ.

So, you follow every teaching of Christ? Seriously?

I believe every teaching of Christ. I believe Christ was telling the truth in every thing He said. I believe all my attempts to be like Him have been vain attempts, and that I am most depraved. Do I follow Christ? Honestly, and hopelessly, I'm trying to follow Him. If He weren't at times carrying me along with Him, by now, I'd have been left far behind.

Great start. You have the makings of being a long term Christian. What I mean is:
- Before you can be a Christian, you have to believe you are an evil and depraved person. Check.

Now on to figuring out why you are still not perfect:
I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect. (Genesis 17:1)

When one walks with God he is perfect; not by his own strength and righteousness, but by God's grace and power. God wants everyone to walk with Him, and God does not walk in a crooked path. His path is always holy and perfect.
http://clearbibleanswers.org/questionsa ... sible.html

Should we assume that you don't walk with god and that any Christian claim you make is therefore suspect?

[Goat]

You must understand that a Christian is a follower of Christ. You cannot say that you are following Christ if what you do is contradict and oppose the teachings of Christ.

All other courses of action are depraved courses of action, at least according to Christ.

So, you follow every teaching of Christ? Seriously?

I believe every teaching of Christ. I believe Christ was telling the truth in every thing He said. I believe all my attempts to be like Him have been vain attempts, and that I am most depraved. Do I follow Christ? Honestly, and hopelessly, I'm trying to follow Him. If He weren't at times carrying me along with Him, by now, I'd have been left far behind.

"Whoever curses father or mother shall die" Mark 7:10

He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death. Matthew 15:4-7

...the scripture cannot be broken. --Jesus Christ, John 10:35


So, have you killed anyone for cursing, yet?

Luke 14:25

"If anyone comes to Me and does not hate his father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters, yes, and his own life also, he cannot be My disciple. And whoever does not bear his cross and come after Me cannot be My disciple. "

[Danmark]

There is no secular or theological challenge to be made that a "Christian marriage" isn't immutably a man and woman/husband and wife. Therefore, it should be a criminal act under current hate crimes laws, to accuse a Christian of hate, bigotry, or irrational . . ., if they assert the immutability of the structure of marriage as man and woman/husband and wife.

As Jesus proclaimed it in the Gospels and the writings reaffirm and define it so.

Why would anyone, religious or secularist, NOT support and affirm Christians adhering to the consistent and immutable Biblical teaching that a marriage is a man/husband and woman/wife?

"A gay person who is seeking God, who is of good will -- well, who am I to judge him?" the pope said at a press conference in July, per Catholic News Service. "The Catechism of the Catholic Church explains this very well. It says one must not marginalize these persons, they must be integrated into society.
_ Pope Francis
w.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/06/pope-francis-gay-catholic_n_3880128.html

[Filthy Tugboat]

Please note the statement that was made, and who the statement pertains to. We are here talking about "Christian marriage." A "Christian marriage" with no doubt is a marriage that takes place immutably between a man and a woman, a husband and a wife. There is no other "Christian marriage."

"A Christian marriage" seems to me to mean, "a marriage between people who label themselves as Christians." If these Christians are both men, I don't see a problem.

Your opinion is interesting, but incorrect. You must understand that a Christian is a follower of Christ. You cannot say that you are following Christ if what you do is contradict and oppose the teachings of Christ.

Indeed, I think we should clarify, someone is a Christian if they identify themselves as a follower of Christ. What it means to "follow Christ" is completely subjective and based on interpretation, as well as personal experience. Just because you disagree does not mean that someone who identifies themselves as a follower of Christ becomes any less of a Christian. It's not your decision to make, it's personal to them and them alone. How they justify their sexuality, their beliefs, their actions with what they consider to be "Christ's teachings" is a ball in their court.

[Clownboat]

There is no secular or theological challenge to be made that a "Christian marriage" isn't immutably a man and woman/husband and wife. Therefore, it should be a criminal act under current hate crimes laws, to accuse a Christian of hate, bigotry, or irrational . . ., if they assert the immutability of the structure of marriage as man and woman/husband and wife.

As Jesus proclaimed it in the Gospels and the writings reaffirm and define it so.

Why would anyone, religious or secularist, NOT support and affirm Christians adhering to the consistent and immutable Biblical teaching that a marriage is a man/husband and woman/wife?

"A gay person who is seeking God, who is of good will -- well, who am I to judge him?" the pope said at a press conference in July, per Catholic News Service. "The Catechism of the Catholic Church explains this very well. It says one must not marginalize these persons, they must be integrated into society.
_ Pope Francis
w.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/06/pope-francis-gay-catholic_n_3880128.html

I can see it now... the Pope is not a true Christian.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten son, that whosoever will believe in him will have eternal life.

Did he really mean whosoever, or did he mean whosoever except for the gays?

[Goat]

[Replying to post 638 by Clownboat]

I really respect this Pope. He is hardly perfect. There are issues I think he is strongly wrong at (his attitude to women in general). However, when it comes to cutting to the core about what has been wrong with the last few generations of the heirarchy of the RCC, he is right on.

He will even call people who have written letters explaining problems, and seeking guidance directly!

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2 ... he-phones/

He does not say he 'approves' of homosexuality, he just says 'it is not his place to judge'. I would say that is a good attitude coming from his position and background.

I won't see any support from the Vatican for gay marriage, even with this Pope. But , well, he is much more humane that the last few hundred years of Popes.