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I've found a picture in an old Bible that shows Moses before God as the 3:4:5 triangle:

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And some interesting picture and tools from Freemasonry (notice the same double 3:4:5 triangle pattern of the Bible above):

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This is a picture from a book by the freemasons Manly P. Hall and J. Augustus Knapp:
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Is Jesus an historical character or a pythagorean allegory?

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What Is The True Trinity ?
It Was In Fact A Quadity , Not A Trinity , It's A Concept That Is Based On 4 Principles 1. The Father -- God , 2 . The Mother - Mary , 3 . The Son - Jesus , And 4. The Holy Ghost -- Gabriel , The 4 . Pillars That Hold Up The Heavens Which Is Not Publicly Recognized Because It Has Been Replaced By The Trinity , Forgetting The Blessed Mother Who Gave Birth To The Son Of God

When Did The Quadity Concept Change ?
Over Time Male Chauvinism And Male Dominated Religion Attempted To Exclude The Divinity Of Women Even Inserting Quote In Their Bible Such As 1Corithinians 14 ; 34 - 35 <> In Part '' Let Your Women Keep Silence In The Churches ; For It Is Not Permitted Unto Them To Speak ,
It Is Clear From Quote Like These That The Woman Was Sent Out Of Authority . However , The Old Testament Clearly Says That The Woman Is The Source Into Which Men Should Cleave As Found In Genesis 2 ; 24 '' Therefore Shall A Man Leave His Father And His Mother , And Shall Cleave Unto His Wife ; And They Shall Be One Flesh , You See The Old Testament Sent Men Under The Woman ; But The New Tesament Even Though They Acknowledge This In Matthew 19 ; 5 , Mark 10 ; 7 ) Sent Woman Out Of Authority . With This Male Dominated Mentality All The Priests , Prophets , Rabbi's Imaam's And Shaikh's Likes To Maintain Their Male Superiority , Conspired To Reduce The Female From Being Mother Of All Living Genesis 3 ; 20 ... Eve ; Because She Was The Mother Of All Living ;...To Moving Her From The Original Divine Family And Godhead , The God Male . Goddess - Female , Birthed - Son To Become The Son Of God Changed To God Father ,

God Son , God Holy Ghost , Eliminating The Mother Entirely . When The Bible Spoke Of Mary In This Manner . Luke 1 ; 28 Speak Thus Of Mary '' And The Angel Came In Unto Her , And Said , Hail , Thou That Art Highly Favoured , The Lord Is With Thee Blessed Art Thou Among Women .
So This Mary Was Highly Favored By The Kurios ''Lord '' The Greek Equivalent Of Yahweh . The Lord Of All Israel Who In Fact Predates The Jewish / Hebrew Israelite Doctrine Being The Religion Of Judaism Came With Moses And The Use Of The Word Jehovah ( Yahuwa ) , The Lord Is Found In Genesis And The Sumerian . Egiptian Donctrine . So Jehovah , Which Is Symbolic Of Four Letters YHWH Has Its Origin Also In Egipt As Hu '' The Force Of Creative Will . ( A Comprehensive Dictionary Of The Gods By Anne S , Baumgartner ) Which The Muhammadans Use For The Root Of Their God Allah's Name Huwa '' He Who Is ''

Protected By THeir Mystical Society Called The Sufi Order .. All Having Their Root In The Egiptian Huhi , A Son Force Which Is Confirmed In Pslms 84 ; 11 , Where The Hebrew Bible's Lord Admits To Being A Sun God . Read It For Yourself . ( For the Lord ( Jehovah)
God ( Eloheem ) Is A Sun And Shield ; The Lord ( Jehovah ) Will Give Grace And Glory ; No Good Thing Will He Withold From Them That Walk Uprightly ).
The Word For Sun Is The Same Shemesh < Aramic ..Used For The Sun Deity Of The Gligamesh Epics . He Again Admits In The Books Of Malachi 4 ;2 The He Would Return As A Saviour , Using The Same Word Shemesh < Aramic For The Physical Sun Symbolic Of The Sun Deity Amun - Ra , With Healing In His Wings . ( But Unto You That Fear My Name Shall The Sun Of Righteousness Arise With Healing In His Wings ; And Ye Shall Go Forth , And Grow Up As Calves Of The Stall

To Be CONTINUE In Next Post

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Guess what I found in the most important cathedal of Rome! The sacred pythagorean triangle again! :lol:

The Basilica of St. John Lateran (Italian: Basilica di San Giovanni in Laterano) is the cathedral of the Church of Rome and the official ecclesiastical seat of the Bishop of Rome, who is the Pope. Officially named Archibasilica Sanctissimi Salvatoris et Sancti Iohannes Baptista et Evangelista in Laterano (English: Archbasilica of the Most Holy Saviour, St. John the Baptist and the Evangelist at the Lateran", Italian: Arcibasilica del Santissimo Salvatore e Santi Giovanni Battista ed Evangelista in Laterano),[1] it is the oldest and ranks first (being the cathedral of Rome) among the four major basilicas of Rome, and holds the title of ecumenical mother church (mother church of the whole inhabited world) among Roman Catholics.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Giovanni_Laterano

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Even inside the Basilica of San Giovanni in Laterano we found the pythagorean triangle proportions and the sacred angle of 37° of the 3:4:5 triangle:

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I just want to add that I was pretty skeptical of all sacred geometry thing until I discovered this. I know how easy is to find correlations in images, numbers or architecture.

In researching the truth we need a strong heuristic and require that any thesis is backed by MULTIPLE, SOLID, UNBIASED and INDEPENDENT sources.

My thesis is behaving well so far:

MULTIPLE: all four gospels directly, the christian bishop St. Irenæus (2nd century AD - c. 202) discusses at length the Gnostic numerical interpretation of the holy name Jesus as the equivalent of 888 (Haer., I, viii, 5 and 12, and II, xxxiv, 4), historians like Plutarch, Iamblichus and others link the sacred triangle, the pythagorean school, the egyptian sun gods and the allegoric stories like that of the 153 fishes. We got gnostic sources worshipping the number 888, like Magus: "Blessed be the invisible 888, eternal and ungenerated, uncontainable and without companion. Blessed be the Holy Sophia, who created Desire by her longing for the 888. Blessed be the 888, the Limit and the Cross, who purifies the Mother and awaits the Daughter."

SOLID: We have the original gospels papyri written in greek, the writing of Iraneus, Plutarch and Iamblichus in the greek original and in latin. We have the repeated mathematical pattern of the name Jesus Christ, matching that of the pythagorean triangle, a very unlikely occurence. We found the sacred triangular pattern and the 37° angle in the chatolic churches and chatedrals built by the chatolic church itself.

UNBIASED: the majority of sources are unbiased. The gospels are the original source of christianity. Irenæus had nothing against christianity, and Plutarch didn't even know it yet. The chatedrals with all the numerical and geometrical patterns referring to the sacred triad and the vesica piscis were built by the chatolic church itself. All Egyptian monuments and drawings were pre-christians. The only potentially biased writer is Iamblichus, being a pythagorean and a neo-platonic.

INDEPENDENT: Plutarch never read gospels because they didn't existed yet. Egyptian monuments and drawings predate christianity by millennia. The pythagorean doctrine originated with the figure of "Pythagoras the Samian", or simply Ὁ Πυθαγό�ας; born between 580 and 572 BC, died between 500 and 490 BC, well before christianity. Archimedes confirms that the "measurement of the fish" value was 153 (Archimedes of Syracuse, On the Measurement of the Circle).

Here is the original greek of the passage of Irenaeus about the value 888 in the name of Jesus:

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source: link

Interesting enough in the greek even if Irenaeus said that the value of the name of jesus is 888 he uses an abbreviated form of the name of jesus, ιησου , that value 688 and not 888 like in the regular Jesus greek name (Ιησους).

This abbreviated form is found in the gospels in some passages, like in Mat 1:1 , see the original text here:

http://www.biblewheel.com/Gr/GR_Databas ... m=1&vnum=1

but it is always near a different spelling of the word Christ, χ�ιστου, that amount to gematria 1680 instead of the regular value of 1480 (Χ�ιστος), we found for example in: Mat 1:16 , see:

http://www.biblewheel.com/Gr/GR_Databas ... =1&vnum=16

But if you sum both versions you got the same gematric value:

Jesus + Christ (full) = Ιησους + Χ�ιστος = 888 + 1480 = 2368
Jesus + Christ (abbreviated) = ιησου + χ�ιστου = 688 + 1680 = 2368

So the abbreviated version of the name of Jesus used by Irenaeus was an alternative abbreviated spelling of the original name Ιησους, that Irenaeus himself confirms being of value 888.

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Some info on the pythagoreans relations between gods and geometrical figures:

The secret nature of the goddess Athena was that of a triangle composed of three triangles, this is why she was called Tritogeneia (thrice-born):

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source: Historical and Artistic Illustrations of the Trinity by John Relly Beard


Zeus was associated with the Dodecagon, a polygon with the same perimeter of the sacred 3:4:5 triangle (3+4+5 = 12). Also the area of a regular dodecagon inscribed in a unit circle with radius R = 1 is 3 (Kurschák's Theorem).

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source: Lore and science in ancient Pythagoreanism by Walter Burkert

Another source from Plutarch:

"The Pythagoreans, too, prove that they regard Typhon as a dæmonic Power, for they say in perfect measure that Typhon was born on the fifty-sixth; and again that the (figure) of the Triangle belongs to Pluto, Bacchus and Mars; that of the Tetragon to Rhea, Venus, Ceres, Vesta, and Juno; that of the Dodecagon to Jove; but that of the Fifty-six sided figure to Typhon—as Eudoxus hath related."
source: PLUTARCH'S "ON ISIS AND OSIRIS"


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In other words, we have proof of a known cultural association of the circle of the zodiac (the path of the sun) with the 3:4:5 triangle later associated with the sun god Jesus Christ.

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In the book "Measuring Heaven - Pythagoras and His Influence", it is mentioned that the second century BC sees the appearance and subsequent development of Jewish Pythagoreanism. It appears that it took root at this time in the Jewish community at Alexandria. Of this "new" group of Pythagoreans, Aristobulus is the best known early exponent. His work, which attempted to show that Pythagoras had borrowed from the Old Testament, created a background for Hellenistic Jews to become connected to Greek tradition, thus forming a "sect".

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Source: Measuring Heaven - Pythagoras and His Influence by Christiane L. Joost-Gaugier

From another book we found a confirmation of the pythagorean influence on the jewish Essene sect in Alexandria:

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source: A history of the Jewish people in the time of Jesus Christ by Emil Schürer

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So we have a confirmation that Jewish Pythagoreanism was flourishing in Alexandria in the very period of the writing of the christian gospels.

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We found many uses of the greek gematria to encode geometrical and mathematical laws in words and phrases.

The number Π is 3.14. In Greek the rule of Π is "Μήκος πε�ιφέ�ειας κ�κλου" divided by "Διάμετ�ος"

Those 2 values give us respectively 2294 for the first and 730 for the second.

If we follow the rule and divide it the number that comes up is: 3.1424657534............ and it goes on and on.

A confirmation from a greek forum:
The phrase ΜΗΚΟΣ ΠΕΡΙΦΕΡΕΙΑΣ ΚΥΚΛΟΥ means "length of the circle's circuit" has a lexarithm of 2294. The word ΔΙΑΜΕΤΡΟΣ means diameter and has a lexarithm of 730.
2294/730 gives a quotient of 3.1424657534 which is the π in the circle!!!!

ΜΟ�ΑΣ (one point) has a lexarithm of 361. If you make a sum of the digits sequentially (361 -> 3+6+1=10 -> 1+0 =1) you take the number 1 as you can see! The same happens with Ε� (one) which has a lexarithm of 55.
If you do the same with ΔΥΑΣ (605) and ΤΡΕΙΣ (615) - you take 2 and 3 in
correspondence!!
ΕΛΛΗ� (Hellen, the genarch of the Greeks) has a lexarithm of 123!

The same with what mentioned above happens with ALL the letters of the Hellenic language. For example Α+Λ+Φ+Α = 1+30+500+1 = 532 -> 5+3+2=10 ->1+0= 1. So the sequential sum of the lexarithm digits of the full name of a letter, give the number the letter corresponds to!!!! This happens with all the letters!!! Personally I checked it only with A though, using the programme I posted before.

The worlds Α�ΘΡΩΠΟΣ (human) and ΦΥΣΙΣ (nature) have the same lexarithm which is 1310!

The world ΤΙ�Α has a lexarithm of 361 and the world Α�ΤΙ has the same lexarithm, and it's natural as they have the same letters (everything exists, has its opposite). No Greek word was invented in an accidental way.

Note that the combinations are so many, that coincidence in most parts isn't possible.
source: http://www.greekrealm.com/forum/greek-c ... mbers.html

The author of the post says that there is a similar gematric trick for the golden ratio (phi=1.618) but I can't see it (the forum seems to be hiding the images).

Many temples in greece were aligned to a grid of triangles with common proportions:

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In the same forum I've linked above they write:
I wanna add something else , extremely interesting.....

ΤΟ Ε� ΔΕΛΦΟΙΣ ΜΑ�ΤΕΙΟ� = Ο ΟΜΦΑΛΟΣ ΤΟΥ ΚΟΣΜΟΥ
TO EN DELPHOIS MANTEION = O OMPHALOS TOU KOSMOU
THE ORACLE IN DELPHOIS = COSMOS'S OMPHALOS (NAVEL)

This equation is true... BUT
For many decades now the only people who tried to understand the ancient civilizations, where the archaeologists. These people were and are irrelevants of understanding. I will give you an example:
Since ancient years it was known that the Delphois Oracle was the center of the world. Right? Right.... so the archaeologists supposed that ancient Hellenes thought that the world had its center in that oracle.Right? Wrong!
The Oracle was something like a X-Y-Z starting point , a datum. Everyone who wanted to establish a city, seeked an advice there. And of course the oracle didnt get the answer from Apollon, but they were specialists in giving the position of the new cities. Have you ever seen some ancient sculptured stones like phallus (excuse me but the word in english is dick)? Those stones are everywhere in the world and they were xyz starting points.
The potisions of ancient hellenic cities are on the perimeter of cycles with the oracle as center, and there are many cities with the same range from the oracle .
I know it because I have seen a research about it and afterall I am a Land Surveyor. We had a course of Urban Planning and the method of establishing villages,cities or biomechanical zones around a main city was exactly the same cyclic as our ancestors did.
source: http://www.greekrealm.com/forum/greek-c ... ers-2.html

All the references to the Omphalos as the navel of the world make sense now.

This is the god apollo on the omphalos from a greek coin:

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Some depiction of the omphalos with the two eagles of Zeus (maybe representing the two x-y axis or a primitive form of latitude and longitude?)
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The original omphalos found in Delphi (notice that it's covered with a fish net, a pythagorean symbol of the vesica piscis pattern):
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The omphalos in Egypt, a proof of the origin of such scientific knowledge and methods well before the pythagoreans:
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I think that the omphalos of delphi was a sort of origin or node in a cartesian system of reference. And they used this system to build temples aligned in some geometrical patterns like the ones above. This is confirmed by this study of Jean Richer (unfortunatly the book seems out of print!):

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Sacred Geography of the Ancient Greeks by Jean Richer

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Two good reviews of the book:
http://mooonriver.blogspot.com/2006/12/ ... reece.html
http://www.theosophy-nw.org/theosnw/wor ... e-sbd2.htm

Even more interesting, this site (citing a book by Lucie Lamy, Egyptian Mysteries) seems to suggests that the unit of the net of lines around the world projected from the omphalos were 3:4:5 triangles!

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source: http://www.vortexmaps.com/mr-triangle.php

In "The Sacred Tradition in Ancient Egypt" by Rosemary Clark, we read:

"Lamy illustrates the relationship between these principles in the metaphor of sacred geometry, using the pythagorean 3:4:5 triangle, a figure Plutarch regarded as the building block of nature. The perpendicular side is equal to three, being th principle of divine intelligence (Akh), the base is equal to four, ambodying the principle of material form (Khat), and its companion, the Ka. The hypothenuse, equal to five, can be regarded as the communicating principle, between the spirit and the body, the soul (Ba), a vehicle capable of spanning all realms between the material and the divine."

source: http://books.google.com/books?id=7Ba3Lb ... e&as_brr=3

As a confirmation that the triangle was considered the "building block of nature", many Greek temples were built using such triangle as a module, starting with the Parthenon of Athen:

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sources:
http://www.trinitas.ru/rus/doc/0000/006a/00001002.htm
http://www-gap.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~histor ... cture.html

Notice that each 3:4:5 triangle of the parthenon measure 480:640:800 Dactyls (greek fingers).

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We can find another confirmation of the astrotheological importance of the pythagorean theorem in Hinduism:
"To the first category belongs the theorem popularly associated with the name of Pythagoras (c. 540 B.C.), connecting the square on the hypotenuse or diagonal of a rectangular triangle with the sum of the squares on the sides containing the right angle. Perhaps the first statement of this theorem in its most general geometrical form is ancient India's most important contribution to the development of mathematics. It is true that most ancient peoples knew and used the right triangle 3,4,5 for getting a right angle (The Chinese Nine Sections, c. 1100 B.C., mentions this triangle and the Kahun Papyrus of Egypt, c. 2000 B.C., refers to four sets of numbers forming right triangles, source: D.E. Smith. History of Mathematics, Vol. II, p. 293) and the Babylonian records contain a list of Pythagorean numbers (O. Neugebauer, The Exact Sciences of Anquiquity, p. 35). But the full geometrical significance of the theorem, that the sides of any right-angled triangle will exhibit this relationship amongst them, was perhaps first realised by the altar-building Vedic priests. The German mathematicians A. Burk and M. Cantor discuss the question in detail and come to the conclusion that the theorem was known in India at the latest by the 8th century B.C. i.e. the date of the oldest Sulbasutra that, of Baudhayana. The samhitas of the Black Yajur Veda and the Satapatha Brahmana give 36 units the lenght of the praci (east-west line) or prsthya (the line of symmetry) of the Mahavedi and 30 units as one of the north-south sides, the praci and half the side thus making the sides containing the right angle in a rational right angled triangle, viz. 36,15,29. In the Satapatha Brahmana (X. 2.3.7) mention is found of increasing the size of the Vedi fourteen-fold to accomodate the Ekasatavidhagni (the fire place for the 101st performance of the sacrifice) for which operation a knowledge of the theorem of the square of the diagonal is indispensable. Hence it is highly probable that the theorem of the square of the hypotenuse was known in India much earlier than the Sulbasutra period. Tentative evidence for a very much earlier date even can be brought forward, if the term trisadhastha (residing in three abodes) as applied to the fire, has reference to the three agnis, Garhapatya, Ahavaniya and Daksina, because the construction of the Daksinagni requires a knowledge of this theorem. Though the Sulbasutras themselves speak only about the orientation of the 3 fires, the commentators supply the mode of construction, which involves drawing a square with the dvikarani of a pisila (the pisila is a unit of lenght defined variously as the arm with folded palms or the lenght of the two arms extended) as the side.
The Sulbasutras exhibit a thorough familiarity with the properties of the right triangle, or rather the properties of the sides and diagonals of figures with right-angular corners. Many rational right triangles are mentioned, like: 15,36,39 (Ap. Sl. V. 2; B.Sl. I.49); 3,4,5 (Ap. Sl. V. 3; B.Sl. I.49) and the latter multiplied by 4 and 5: 5,12,13 and 12,35,37 (Ap. Sl. V.4; B. Sl.I. 49); 7,24,25 (B. Sl. I. 49); [...] This was preliminary to the construction of all the altars and fireplaces described in the Vedic literature. But it is only Katyayana and Manu that give the details of the procedure. Baudhayana and Apastamba take the praci or east-west line for granted. [...] "Fixing a pin (or gnomon) on level ground and drawing a circle with a cord measured by the gnomon, he fixes pins at points on the line (of the circumference) where the shadow of the tipo of the gnomon falls. That is the praci." (K. Sl. I. 2) (The Manava Sulbasutra (p.2) gives the same method). This is the direction for fixing the praci, which is therefore the line joining the tips of the shadows of equal lenght cast by an object in the forenoon and afternoon. This method of fixing the east-west line is given in the Tantrasamuccaya and other works on architecture and the Tantra works dealing with the constraction of mandapas (sheds or halls) and kundas (sacred fire-pits). [...] Such arcs themselves are used to draw two perpendicular diameters in a circle in Baudhayana's recipe for drawing a square: "Drawing a line one fixes a pin at its middle. Slipping the end ties on to this pin, one draws a circle with the mark (the middle mark of the cord) ajnd fixes pins at the ends of the diameter. With the end-tie on the eastern pin one draws a circle with the whole cord. Similarly at the western pin. The second diameter should be stretched through the points where these (circles) intersect" (B. Sl. I. 22-25). This method is well-known in later Indian mathematics as the 'fish' method, the name being based on the fact that the lenticular portion common to the two intersecting circles has roughly the shape of a fish."
Source: Geometry in Ancient and Medieval India by T. A. Sarasvati Amma

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A 12 angul Shanku when erected on a plain ground gives a shadow on to the ground due to sun at various times at a given place. This shadow is known as Shankuchaya. [...] Here chaya is important in knowing both prashna lagna and timings. What is chaya? In olden days Astrologers used to have a stick 12 angul erceted in the house and year long shadow markings for various hours at various months were marked. This is impractical in todays times. So without erecting shanku [stick] can we find the chaya. Chayakarna² = Chaya ² + Shanku ². Then Chaya ² = Chayakarna ² – Shanku ². This principle can be found in Grahalaghav, Sarvanandkaran, Makarand, etc. treatises of Astrology. Vishuvat is sayan mesha sankranti and Sayan tula sankranti normally falls on 21 march and 23 september. On these days at NOON, 12 angul shanku at whatever place gives the shadow , that shadow is known as PALABHA. At Vishuvat rekha ie akshansha 0° deg at equator shadow will be zero. As we go northwards or southwards the shadow increases so does Palabha proportional to lattitudes. that means if akshansha is known [ longitude /lattitudes] then plabha can be known. and vice versa. If shadow is accurately cast then lattitudes and longitudes of the place can be found out.
source: http://chiraan.wordpress.com/2009/07/03 ... apti-kaal/

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Source: Sanskrit-English Dictionary by Motilal Banarsidass Publishers (Pvt. Ltd), Monier Monier-Williams

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Source: Geometry in Ancient and Medieval India by T. A. Sarasvati Amma


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Source: THE ÄRYABHATIYA of ÄRYABHATA An Ancient Indian Work on Mathematics and Astronomy TRANSLATED WITH NOTES BY WALTER EUGENE CLARK Professor of Sanskrit in Harvard University

Gods of Hindu sacred texts seems related to the gnomon shadow and the sides of such triangle:

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Source: The myths and gods of India by Alain Daniélou

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Source: Religion and the authority of the past by Tobin Siebers

Notice that in the Mahabharata (Vedic period, ca. 8th c. BCE) Chaya (shadow) is a female character, a wife of the sun god (Surya), and the associated triangle side corresponds to the biggest cathetus (or 4 in the 3:4:5 triangle), exactly like Isis for the Egyptians. She is also the mother of Manu, the human son of the sun god Surya, who dies and reborn.

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source: The Rainbow Bridge: A Study of Paganism by John Strong Newberry

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Here is something that confirms that the christians used the 3:4:5 triangle in the building of their churches:

In the Cistercian abbey of Chiaravalle della Colomba (Italy) there are preserved the ancients tools of the christian masons and architects, and one of the most important tool was the so called "rope with twelve nodes" ("corda a 12 nodi" in italian), used to craft not only the 3:4:5 triangle but also the dodecagon and the equilater triangle, all incarnations of the holy 3:4:5 triangle. Even more interesting: the distance between the nodes was 52.36 cm, exactly the same of the egyptian divine or royal cubit.

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There is also a reference to the tomb of Hue Libergier, the french master mason whose incised gravestone may still be seen at Reims, and it is explained that hidden in the gravestone there are all sacred proportions used in the cristian churches architectures, and one of these is called "the egyptian rectangle". Also, at the top of the triangle depicted on the right we found the angle of 37 degree of the 3:4:5 triangle:

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Source: http://www.duepassinelmistero.com/Archi ... rcense.htm
http://www.enricopantalone.com/continua ... cense.html


Of course the cistercian abbey of Chiaravalle della Colomba itself (built in 1136 AD) is also full of the vesica piscis symbolism:

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If we read the ancients, like Macrobius, we realize the origin of that form of elitism and concealed knowledge:

"The wise know that a naked and open exposition of herself is distasteful to Nature, who, just as she has withheld an understanding of herself from the vulgar notion of men... has also wished her secrets to be treated mythically (‘per fabulosa’) by the prudent." - Macrobius, In Somnium Scipionis, I, ii, 17

In other words: theology = natural science under a veil of allegory. But only the elite knew that, and kept this a secret because they knew very well that knowledge is power.

Freemasonry was no different:

"Masonry, like all the Religions, all the Mysteries, Hermeticism and Alchemy, conceals it secrets from all except the Adepts and Sages, or the Elect, and uses false explanations and misinterpretations of its symbols to mislead those who deserve only to be misled; to conceal the Truth, which it calls Light from them, and to draw them away from it. Truth is not for those who are unworthy or unable to receive it, or would pervert it...So Masonry jealously conceals its secrets, and intentionally leads conceited interpreters astray.“ – Albert Pike, Morals and Dogma, pp. 104-105.

"Nor do we find the GRECIANS arriv’d to any con siderable Knowledge in Geometry, before the Great Thales Milesius, the Philosopher, who dy’d in the Reign of Bell shazzar, and the Time of the Jewish Captivity. But his Scholar, the Greater PYTHAGORAS, prov’d the Author of the 47th Proposition of Euclid’s first Book, which, if duly observ’d, is the Foundation of all Masonry, sacred, civil, and Military." - Anderson's Constitution of Freemasonry (1723)

"These fables are most of them absurd enough if understood as real histories, but, the allegorical key being given, many of them are found to contain profound and sublime astronomical truths. This key was religiously kept secret by the priests and philosophers, and was only imparted to those who were initiated into the Mysteries. The profane and vulgar crowd were kept in darkness, and believed in and worshiped a real Hercules or Jupiter, whom they thought actually lived and performed all the exploits and underwent all the transformations of the mythology. By these means the priests of Egypt ruled the people with a despotic power. The fables of the mythology disclosed to them gran scientific truths, and to them only. The very stories themselves served to perpetuate those truths for the benefits of the initiated, and also formed an easy vehicle for their transmission. Books were not only rare and difficult of multiplication, but it is also probable that, in order that scientific knowledge might be concealed, it was considered unlawful to commit it to writing. If in special cases it became an absolue necessity to do so, the sacred hieroglyphs were employed. These were known only to the initiated; there was another sort of written characters used by the common people. (Rawlinson's "Herodotus," Appendix to Book II, Chapeter V). Science was thus for the most part orally transmitted from one hierophant to another. While an abstrouse and difficult lecture is not easy, either to remember or to repeat, on the contrary, a mythological tale can with ease be retained in the memory and communicated to another, togheter with the key for interpretation. These fables, therefore, served a threefold purpose: 1) They kept the secrets of science from all but those who understood the key to them; 2) Being themselves easy to remember, they served on the principle of the art of mnemonics, or artificial memory, to keep alive the recollection of scientific facts which otherwise might be lost; 3) Being the means of keeping the people in ignorance, by their use the priests were enabled to rule them through their superior power of working apparent miracles. The science in which the Egyptian priesthood were most proficient, and which they most jealousy guarded, was that of astronomy. The people worshiped the sun, moon, and stars as gods, and a knowledge of their true nature would have at once put an end to the influence of the priests, who were believed by the ignorant and superstitious crowd to be able to withhold or dispense, by prayers, invocations, and sacrifices, the divine favor. The priest of a pretended god, when once his god is explosed, stands before the world a convicted impostor. To deny the divinity of the sun, moon, and stars, or, what was the same thing, to permit science to disclose their true nature to the masses of the people was consequently held by the priesthood of Egypt as the highest of crimes. By a knowledge of astronomy the priests were able to calculate and to predict eclipses of the sun and moon, events beheld with superstitious awe and fear by the multitude. Seeing how certainly these predictions, when thus made, were fullfilled, the priests were credited with the power to foretell other events, and to look into the future generally. So they cast horoscopes and assumed to be prophets. Of course, a knowledge of astronomy diffused among the people would have been fatal to these pretensions. The facts of astronomy were therefore, for these reasons most carefully hidden from the common people, and the priesthood only communicated them to each other, veiled in allegorical fables, the key to which was disclosed to him only who had taked the highest degrees of the Mysteries, and given the most concincing proof of his fidelity and zeal." - Stellar Theology and Masonic Astronomy by By Robert Hewitt Brown, 1882

The great Carl Sagan was well aware of that:

"Plato, Aristotle and The Pythagoreans were suppressors of knowledge, advocates of slavery and of epistemic secrecy. Plato's followers succeeded in extinguishing the light of science and experiment that had been kindled by Democritus and the other Ionians. Plato's unease with the world as revealed by our senses was to dominate and stifle Western philosophy. Plato and Aristotle were comfortable in a slave society. They offered justifications for oppression. They served tyrants. They taught the alienation of the body from the mind, a natural enough idea, I suppose, in a slave society. They separated thought from matter. They divorced the Earth from the heavens. Divisions which were to dominate Western thinking for more than 20 centuries. The Pythagoreans had won. In the recognition by Pythagoras and Plato that the cosmos is knowable that there is a mathematical underpinning to nature they greatly advanced the cause of science. But in the suppression of disquieting facts, the sense that science should be kept for a small elite, the distaste for experiment, the embrace of mysticism, the easy acceptance of slave societies, their influence has significantly set back the human endeavor. The books of the Ionian scientists are entirely lost. Their views were suppressed, ridiculed and forgotten by the Platonists and by the Christians who adopted much of the philosophy of Plato. Finally, after a long, mystical sleep in which the tools of scientific inquiry lay moldering the Ionian approach was rediscovered. The Western world reawakened." - Cosmos, Carl Sagan (1934–1996) -


In the anti-catholic Rosicrucian texts, written by freemasons like Bacon, they promised to stop this elitism somewhere (but they still haven't):

"Jehova will redeem humanity by revealing those secrets which he previously reserved only for the elect. [...] The whole world shall become as one book and all the contradictions of science and theology shall be reconciled." - source: Confessio Fraternitatis (1614)

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