Will babies who have died automatically be saved?
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Post #1Will babies who have died automatically be saved, go to Heaven and get eternal life?
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Post #41NO
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Post #42Yes they will be "saved" since they didn't have the knowledge of God and Christ, because they didn't have the opportunity to learn. Everyone must have that opportunity to learn about the truth of what the Scriptures provide for us, true knowledge of God. The babies are innocent and must be given that opportunity.
They will not go to heaven. They will be brought back to life here on the earth in paradise conditions. Going to heaven is what the co-rulers with Christ will accomplish. They are what Jesus called the "little flock," (Luke 12:32) 144,000 people bought from the earth, to rule with him in heaven over the earth. (Revelation 5:10; Revelation 7:4)
Why would God need billions of people in heaven? He made the earth for humans to live on, in perfect conditions. (Isaiah 11:9b; Isaiah 45:18; Psalm 115:16)
"As regards the heavens, to Jehovah the heavens belong, but the earth he has given to the sons of men." ( Psalm 115:16)
"For this is what Jehovah has said, the Creator of the heavens, the true God, the Former of the earth and the Maker of it...who did not create it simply for nothing, who formed it to be inhabited." (Isaiah 45:18)
"The earth will certainly be filled with the knowledge of Jehovah as the waters are covering the very sea." (Isaiah 11: 9b)
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Post #43The Bible makes no mention of babies having to be baptized. Most denominations of Christendom have made baptizing babies common practice, but it should not be. Jesus was baptized as a grown man, and that's where true Christians get the idea of baptism for adults, not babies. Baptism is the outward expression of a person's dedicating themselves to God to do His will. Babies can't make that choice.Metatron wrote: ↑Thu Jul 23, 2009 10:23 amI'm under the impression that some variations of Christianity believe that the baby has to be slam dunked in a pool of water before the baby is "safe". Perhaps someone with a better understanding of baptism than me can clarify this.McCulloch wrote:The Bible is pretty silent on this topic. Go ahead and make up any answer that is consistent with the rest of your theology and you're good to go.
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Post #44Babies have not committed sin to be saved from. They have no knowledge of sin, therefore, they are not accountable.
”For unless you believe that I am, you will die in your sins.” (John 8:24
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Post #45If they are righteous.
These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.
Matt. 25:46
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Post #46Babies do not need to be saved since they never had sinned. We are saved from sin and the results of sin. No sin? No need for being saved. But otherwise yes, they do go to Heaven since they had never sinned. David wrote that he would go to his baby who died eventually. Jesus said the Kingdom of heaven actually belongs to the little children and for us, those like them. In the end it is a matter of comfort, not really affecting us in our eternal destiny in any case.
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Post #47My take on this topic:
The following shows forth the love, mercy and justice of a loving tender caring Father in Heaven:
3 I am mindful of you always in my prayers, continually praying unto God the Father in the name of his Holy Child, Jesus, that he, through his infinite goodness and grace, will keep you through the endurance of faith on his name to the end.
4 And now, my son, I speak unto you concerning that which grieveth me exceedingly; for it grieveth me that there should disputations rise among you.
5 For, if I have learned the truth, there have been disputations among you concerning the baptism of your little children.
6 And now, my son, I desire that ye should labor diligently, that this gross error should be removed from among you; for, for this intent I have written this epistle.
7 For immediately after I had learned these things of you I inquired of the Lord concerning the matter. And the word of the Lord came to me by the power of the Holy Ghost, saying:
8 Listen to the words of Christ, your Redeemer, your Lord and your God. Behold, I came into the world not to call the righteous but sinners to repentance; the whole need no physician, but they that are sick; wherefore, little children are whole, for they are not capable of committing sin; wherefore the curse of fAdam is taken from them in me, that it hath no power over them; and the law of circumcision is done away in me.
9 And after this manner did the Holy Ghost manifest the word of God unto me; wherefore, my beloved son, I know that it is solemn mockery before God, that ye should baptize little children.
10 Behold I say unto you that this thing shall ye teach—repentance and baptism unto those who are accountable and capable of committing sin; yea, teach parents that they must repent and be baptized, and humble themselves as their little children, and they shall all be saved with their little children.
11 And their little children need no repentance, neither baptism. Behold, baptism is unto repentance to the fulfilling the commandments unto the remission of sins.
12 But little children are alive in Christ, even from the foundation of the world; if not so, God is a partial God, and also a changeable God, and a respecter to persons; for how many little children have died without baptism!
13 Wherefore, if little children could not be saved without baptism, these must have gone to an endless hell.
14 Behold I say unto you, that he that supposeth that little children need baptism is in the gall of bitterness and in the bonds of iniquity; for he hath neither faith, hope, nor charity; wherefore, should he be cut off while in the thought, he must go down to hell.
15 For awful is the wickedness to suppose that God saveth one child because of baptism, and the other must perish because he hath no baptism.
16 Wo be unto them that shall pervert the ways of the Lord after this manner, for they shall perish except they repent. Behold, I speak with boldness, having authority from God; and I fear not what man can do; for perfect clove casteth out all fear.
17 And I am filled with charity, which is everlasting love; wherefore, all children are alike unto me; wherefore, I love little children with a perfect love; and they are all alike and partakers of salvation.
18 For I know that God is not a partial God, neither a changeable being;
but he is unchangeable from ball eternity to all eternity.
19 Little children cannot repent; wherefore, it is awful wickedness to deny the pure mercies of God unto them, for they are all alive in him because of his mercy.
20 And he that saith that little children need baptism denieth the mercies of Christ, and setteth at naught the atonement of him and the power of his redemption.
21 Wo unto such, for they are in danger of death, hell, and an
endless torment. I speak it boldly; God hath commanded me. Listen unto them and give heed, or they stand against you at the judgment-seat of Christ.
22 For behold that all little children are alive in Christ, and also all they that are without the law. For the power of redemption cometh on all them that have no law; wherefore, he that is not condemned, or he that is under no condemnation, cannot repent; and unto such baptism availeth nothing—
23 But it is mockery before God, denying the mercies of Christ, and the power of his Holy Spirit, and putting trust in dead works.
24 Behold, my son, this thing ought not to be; for repentance is unto them that are under condemnation and under the curse of a broken law.
25 And the first fruits of repentance is baptism; and baptism cometh by faith unto the fulfilling the commandments; and the fulfilling the commandments bringeth remission of sins;
26 And the remission of sins bringeth meekness, and lowliness of heart; and because of meekness and lowliness of heart cometh the visitation of the bHoly Ghost, which Comforter filleth with hope and perfect love, which love endureth by diligence unto prayer, until the end shall come, when all the saints shall dwell with God.
The following shows forth the love, mercy and justice of a loving tender caring Father in Heaven:
3 I am mindful of you always in my prayers, continually praying unto God the Father in the name of his Holy Child, Jesus, that he, through his infinite goodness and grace, will keep you through the endurance of faith on his name to the end.
4 And now, my son, I speak unto you concerning that which grieveth me exceedingly; for it grieveth me that there should disputations rise among you.
5 For, if I have learned the truth, there have been disputations among you concerning the baptism of your little children.
6 And now, my son, I desire that ye should labor diligently, that this gross error should be removed from among you; for, for this intent I have written this epistle.
7 For immediately after I had learned these things of you I inquired of the Lord concerning the matter. And the word of the Lord came to me by the power of the Holy Ghost, saying:
8 Listen to the words of Christ, your Redeemer, your Lord and your God. Behold, I came into the world not to call the righteous but sinners to repentance; the whole need no physician, but they that are sick; wherefore, little children are whole, for they are not capable of committing sin; wherefore the curse of fAdam is taken from them in me, that it hath no power over them; and the law of circumcision is done away in me.
9 And after this manner did the Holy Ghost manifest the word of God unto me; wherefore, my beloved son, I know that it is solemn mockery before God, that ye should baptize little children.
10 Behold I say unto you that this thing shall ye teach—repentance and baptism unto those who are accountable and capable of committing sin; yea, teach parents that they must repent and be baptized, and humble themselves as their little children, and they shall all be saved with their little children.
11 And their little children need no repentance, neither baptism. Behold, baptism is unto repentance to the fulfilling the commandments unto the remission of sins.
12 But little children are alive in Christ, even from the foundation of the world; if not so, God is a partial God, and also a changeable God, and a respecter to persons; for how many little children have died without baptism!
13 Wherefore, if little children could not be saved without baptism, these must have gone to an endless hell.
14 Behold I say unto you, that he that supposeth that little children need baptism is in the gall of bitterness and in the bonds of iniquity; for he hath neither faith, hope, nor charity; wherefore, should he be cut off while in the thought, he must go down to hell.
15 For awful is the wickedness to suppose that God saveth one child because of baptism, and the other must perish because he hath no baptism.
16 Wo be unto them that shall pervert the ways of the Lord after this manner, for they shall perish except they repent. Behold, I speak with boldness, having authority from God; and I fear not what man can do; for perfect clove casteth out all fear.
17 And I am filled with charity, which is everlasting love; wherefore, all children are alike unto me; wherefore, I love little children with a perfect love; and they are all alike and partakers of salvation.
18 For I know that God is not a partial God, neither a changeable being;
but he is unchangeable from ball eternity to all eternity.
19 Little children cannot repent; wherefore, it is awful wickedness to deny the pure mercies of God unto them, for they are all alive in him because of his mercy.
20 And he that saith that little children need baptism denieth the mercies of Christ, and setteth at naught the atonement of him and the power of his redemption.
21 Wo unto such, for they are in danger of death, hell, and an
endless torment. I speak it boldly; God hath commanded me. Listen unto them and give heed, or they stand against you at the judgment-seat of Christ.
22 For behold that all little children are alive in Christ, and also all they that are without the law. For the power of redemption cometh on all them that have no law; wherefore, he that is not condemned, or he that is under no condemnation, cannot repent; and unto such baptism availeth nothing—
23 But it is mockery before God, denying the mercies of Christ, and the power of his Holy Spirit, and putting trust in dead works.
24 Behold, my son, this thing ought not to be; for repentance is unto them that are under condemnation and under the curse of a broken law.
25 And the first fruits of repentance is baptism; and baptism cometh by faith unto the fulfilling the commandments; and the fulfilling the commandments bringeth remission of sins;
26 And the remission of sins bringeth meekness, and lowliness of heart; and because of meekness and lowliness of heart cometh the visitation of the bHoly Ghost, which Comforter filleth with hope and perfect love, which love endureth by diligence unto prayer, until the end shall come, when all the saints shall dwell with God.
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Re: Will babies who have died automatically be saved?
Post #48Is your take from the "Book of RevelationsWon" or is it actually somewhere in a Bible?
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Post #49So? We are talking about babies here. They aren't able to reason yet and make important decisions like whether or not they want to stand with God and Christ.
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Post #50Babies don't go to heaven. That is where the anointed Christians go that will rule with Christ over the earth. (Revelation 5:10; Revelation 19:6b) A baby isn't prepared to rule anything. They will enjoy growing up in Paradise on Earth.Mae von H wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2024 6:06 amBabies do not need to be saved since they never had sinned. We are saved from sin and the results of sin. No sin? No need for being saved. But otherwise yes, they do go to Heaven since they had never sinned. David wrote that he would go to his baby who died eventually. Jesus said the Kingdom of heaven actually belongs to the little children and for us, those like them. In the end it is a matter of comfort, not really affecting us in our eternal destiny in any case.
