Will babies who have died automatically be saved?

[Celsus]

Will babies who have died automatically be saved, go to Heaven and get eternal life?

[1213]

Under the new covenant, we are saved by believing in Jesus as our Savior, not by being without sin. So being innocent no longer saves anyone under the New Testament Covenant:

If person is innocent, he does not need saving. Only person who has sin, needs saving. In the Bible the wage of sin is death. If one has no sin, like innocent would not have, he has not the wage of sin, and thus needs not to be saved.

Do babies believe in Jesus?

I believe some do believe.

[Mae von H]

If a baby is not chosen,
age of death matters not.
Age has nothing to do with seed type.

What a sad theology!! No hope, just luck.

[Mae von H]

Under the new covenant, we are saved by believing in Jesus as our Savior, not by being without sin. So being innocent no longer saves anyone under the New Testament Covenant:

If person is innocent, he does not need saving. Only person who has sin, needs saving. In the Bible the wage of sin is death. If one has no sin, like innocent would not have, he has not the wage of sin, and thus needs not to be saved.

Do babies believe in Jesus?

I believe some do believe.

There’s credible evidence that believing in the spiritual realm in general is the default thinking so believing in God is easier for children. Perhaps that’s why Jesus said that the kingdom of God belongs to people like the little children.

[myth-one.com]

Under the new covenant, we are saved by believing in Jesus as our Savior, not by being without sin. So being innocent no longer saves anyone under the New Testament Covenant:

If person is innocent, he does not need saving.

God is just and true:

Revelation 15:3
And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvelous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints.

One is saved from death by gaining everlasting life. If not saved, one will exit life eternally.

Assigning either possibility automatically to any human is unjust.

Each person must make his or her individual choice to accept everlasting life or everlasting death after each possible choice is explained and understood by them. God wants those that desire and understand what they are accepting and committing to!

For most humans, their choice will occur after their first death:

For this is the reason the gospel was preached even to those who are now dead, so that they might be judged according to men in regard to the body, but live according to God in regard to the spirit. (I Peter 4:5)

Everlasting life will not be forced on anyone as it was with the original angels created to care for the earth. It must be chosen!

The original angels were created with everlasting life, and many of them failed.

Man was created as mortal and given a taste of life on earth. We can then choose to extend that life to eternity or end it eternally based on our experiences during our mortal lives on the earth.

Consequently, angels created from mortal mankind should be less likely to rebel thanks to having the short period of training.

Deceased infants will make their choice after being resurrected, growing to maturity, and being preached the gospel!!

[Mae von H]

Under the new covenant, we are saved by believing in Jesus as our Savior, not by being without sin. So being innocent no longer saves anyone under the New Testament Covenant:

If person is innocent, he does not need saving.

God is just and true:

Revelation 15:3
And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvelous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints.

One is saved from death by gaining everlasting life. If not saved, one will exit life eternally.

Assigning either possibility automatically to any human is unjust.

Each person must make his or her individual choice to accept everlasting life or everlasting death after each possible choice is explained and understood by them. God wants those that desire and understand what they are accepting and committing to!

For most humans, their choice will occur after their first death:

For this is the reason the gospel was preached even to those who are now dead, so that they might be judged according to men in regard to the body, but live according to God in regard to the spirit. (I Peter 4:5)

Everlasting life will not be forced on anyone as it was with the original angels created to care for the earth. It must be chosen!

The original angels were created with everlasting life, and many of them failed.

Man was created as mortal and given a taste of life on earth. We can then choose to extend that life to eternity or end it eternally based on our experiences during our mortal lives on the earth.

Consequently, angels created from mortal mankind should be less likely to rebel thanks to having the short period of training.

Deceased infants will make their choice after being resurrected, growing to maturity, and being preached the gospel!!

It is appointed for a man to die once and then comes judgement, not a choice to live eternally or not.

[myth-one.com]

Under the new covenant, we are saved by believing in Jesus as our Savior, not by being without sin. So being innocent no longer saves anyone under the New Testament Covenant:

If person is innocent, he does not need saving.

God is just and true:

Revelation 15:3
And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvelous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints.

One is saved from death by gaining everlasting life. If not saved, one will exit life eternally.

Assigning either possibility automatically to any human is unjust.

Each person must make his or her individual choice to accept everlasting life or everlasting death after each possible choice is explained and understood by them. God wants those that desire and understand what they are accepting and committing to!

For most humans, their choice will occur after their first death:

For this is the reason the gospel was preached even to those who are now dead, so that they might be judged according to men in regard to the body, but live according to God in regard to the spirit. (I Peter 4:5)

Everlasting life will not be forced on anyone as it was with the original angels created to care for the earth. It must be chosen!

The original angels were created with everlasting life, and many of them failed.

Man was created as mortal and given a taste of life on earth. We can then choose to extend that life to eternity or end it eternally based on our experiences during our mortal lives on the earth.

Consequently, angels created from mortal mankind should be less likely to rebel thanks to having the short period of training.

Deceased infants will make their choice after being resurrected, growing to maturity, and being preached the gospel!!

It is appointed for a man to die once and then comes judgement, not a choice to live eternally or not.

That is not supported in the scriptures and is not what happens!

[Mae von H]

If a baby is not chosen,
age of death matters not.
Age has nothing to do with seed type.

Chosen by whom, when and on what criteria?

Haven't you heard about the invisible man in the sky?

Just as it is written, "JACOB I LOVED, BUT ESAU I HATED."

What shall we say then? There is no injustice with God, is there? May it never be!

For He says to Moses, "I WILL HAVE MERCY ON WHOM I HAVE MERCY, AND I WILL HAVE COMPASSION ON WHOM I HAVE COMPASSION."

See? God chooses whom he chooses arbitrarily before they are born.

Ok, so we know know the WHEN. The only element missing is the WHY (or the criteria of selection) then. Any ideas?

The answer is found in that same chapter.

"So then He has mercy on whomever He wills, and He hardens whomever He wills."-Romans 9:18.

It's going to seem arbitrary to us, but the secret things belong to God (Deut. 29:29).

"Then what becomes of our boasting? It is excluded."-Romans 3:27. It's certainly not based on anything in us, or we'd have reason to boast. It's based on God's inscrutable decree, which He does not reveal to us.

For those who don’t believe this theology, a whole world of understanding God opens up. His ways are such that we can understand them instead of “inscrutable.” His justice is superior to Solomon and not arbitrary. Doesn’t even seem arbitrary. The only answer to why God does as He does for the above theology is “we dunno.” Abandon this theology for the fullness of scripture and while I admit that the weight of choice becomes heavy, the joy of understanding Him is worth it. I understand both what God does, what He doesn’t do and why on both accounts. No one with the above theology can ever say that.

[myth-one.com]

It is appointed for a man to die once and then comes judgement, . . .

Correct.

. . . not a choice to live eternally or not.

No, no, no! That's not supported in the Bible.

Those that believe in Jesus as their Savior have their names written in the Book of Life, and they are resurrected to everlasting life at the Second Coming. Those believers alive at the Second Coming will also be changed to everlasting spirits at that same time. So the Book of Life will have been serviced completely at that time. Everyone named in the book will have received everlasting spiritual bodied life.

Those now spiritual bodied believers will spend the 1,000 year Millennium with Jesus.

The rest of the dead (all nonbelievers) will then be resurrected as humans and all nonbelievers (those resurrected & those living at the time) will then face Judgment.

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Following the judgment, the Book of Life is checked again!

Why check the Book again, as it was serviced totally prior to the judgment and no one facing judgment was listed in the book?

The only possible answer is that names could have been added to the book during their judgment! That is, nonbelievers could accept Jesus as their Savior during their judgment and have their names added to the Book of Life at that time.

That is the only explanation as to why the Book of Life is checked again following judgment of nonbelievers.

Those who names are in the book of life following judgment are granted everlasting life and those whose names are not in the Book of Life at that time suffer their second and everlasting death.

After the last living human is judged and becomes a spirit or dies in the lake of fire, the age of man is over as there are no longer any living men or women. All are either spirits or dust.

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Those born prior to Jesus' death, those billions who never even heard the name Jesus, the mentally incompetent, infants (deceased & living), and all other nonbelievers will have an opportunity to accept Jesus as their Savior at that time! For many, it will be their first opportunity.

Have a nice day.

[Mae von H]

Under the new covenant, we are saved by believing in Jesus as our Savior, not by being without sin. So being innocent no longer saves anyone under the New Testament Covenant:

If person is innocent, he does not need saving.

God is just and true:

Revelation 15:3
And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvelous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints.

One is saved from death by gaining everlasting life. If not saved, one will exit life eternally.

Assigning either possibility automatically to any human is unjust.

Each person must make his or her individual choice to accept everlasting life or everlasting death after each possible choice is explained and understood by them. God wants those that desire and understand what they are accepting and committing to!

For most humans, their choice will occur after their first death:

For this is the reason the gospel was preached even to those who are now dead, so that they might be judged according to men in regard to the body, but live according to God in regard to the spirit. (I Peter 4:5)

Everlasting life will not be forced on anyone as it was with the original angels created to care for the earth. It must be chosen!

The original angels were created with everlasting life, and many of them failed.

Man was created as mortal and given a taste of life on earth. We can then choose to extend that life to eternity or end it eternally based on our experiences during our mortal lives on the earth.

Consequently, angels created from mortal mankind should be less likely to rebel thanks to having the short period of training.

Deceased infants will make their choice after being resurrected, growing to maturity, and being preached the gospel!!

It is appointed for a man to die once and then comes judgement, not a choice to live eternally or not.

That is not supported in the scriptures and is not what happens!

“And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:”


It’s always interesting to quote scripture without telling anyone it’s scripture to test and see who actually has their theology from scripture. You thought it was my opinion and so felt free to disagree. It’s the Word of God and so you can either adjust your theology or you can take a black marking pen and cross it out of your Bible. But my view is supported by scripture!

[Mae von H]

It is appointed for a man to die once and then comes judgement, . . .

Correct.

I quoted that verse and you yelled emphatically says it’s not in scripture. Embarrassing isn’t it?

. . . not a choice to live eternally or not.

No, no, no! That's not supported in the Bible.

What do you think JUDGEMENT is? Everyone can just decide if they’d like Heaven or not? You ever heard of a court asking the accused if they would jail or freedom??? So let’s have the verse that promises no judgement but instead door number A, B or C.

Those that believe in Jesus as their Savior have their names written in the Book of Life, and they are resurrected to everlasting life at the Second Coming. Those believers alive at the Second Coming will also be changed to everlasting spirits at that same time. So the Book of Life will have been serviced completely at that time. Everyone named in the book will have received everlasting spiritual bodied life.

Those now spiritual bodied believers will spend the 1,000 year Millennium with Jesus.

The rest of the dead (all nonbelievers) will then be resurrected as humans and all nonbelievers (those resurrected & those living at the time) will then face Judgment.

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Following the judgment, the Book of Life is checked again!

Scripture for that story please, especially the resurrected as humans instead of the promised judgement.

Why check the Book again, as it was serviced totally prior to the judgment and no one facing judgment was listed in the book?

The only possible answer is that names could have been added to the book during their judgment! That is, nonbelievers could accept Jesus as their Savior during their judgment and have their names added to the Book of Life at that time.

Ever heard of judgement court line that? No accounting for deeds done in the body but a choice for heaven….if you’d like.

That is the only explanation as to why the Book of Life is checked again following judgment of nonbelievers.

Wrong book.The books of the deeds of their lives in the body are opened. They are judged by the account of their deeds while in the body.

For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may receive what is due for what he has done in the body, whether good or evil.

Your detailed fictional story is no where in scripture.