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Will babies who have died automatically be saved?

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Will babies who have died automatically be saved, go to Heaven and get eternal life?

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Mae von H wrote: Mon Mar 11, 2024 12:22 pm
myth-one.com wrote: Mon Mar 11, 2024 9:31 am
Mae von H wrote: Sun Mar 10, 2024 11:32 pm
myth-one.com wrote: Sun Mar 10, 2024 9:43 am
1213 wrote: Sun Mar 10, 2024 4:33 am
myth-one.com wrote: Tue Mar 05, 2024 3:14 pmUnder the new covenant, we are saved by believing in Jesus as our Savior, not by being without sin. So being innocent no longer saves anyone under the New Testament Covenant:
If person is innocent, he does not need saving.
God is just and true:

Revelation 15:3
And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvelous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints.


One is saved from death by gaining everlasting life. If not saved, one will exit life eternally.

Assigning either possibility automatically to any human is unjust.

Each person must make his or her individual choice to accept everlasting life or everlasting death after each possible choice is explained and understood by them. God wants those that desire and understand what they are accepting and committing to!

For most humans, their choice will occur after their first death:

For this is the reason the gospel was preached even to those who are now dead, so that they might be judged according to men in regard to the body, but live according to God in regard to the spirit. (I Peter 4:5)

Everlasting life will not be forced on anyone as it was with the original angels created to care for the earth. It must be chosen!

The original angels were created with everlasting life, and many of them failed.

Man was created as mortal and given a taste of life on earth. We can then choose to extend that life to eternity or end it eternally based on our experiences during our mortal lives on the earth.

Consequently, angels created from mortal mankind should be less likely to rebel thanks to having the short period of training.

Deceased infants will make their choice after being resurrected, growing to maturity, and being preached the gospel!!
It is appointed for a man to die once and then comes judgement, not a choice to live eternally or not.
That is not supported in the scriptures and is not what happens!



“And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:”


It’s always interesting to quote scripture without telling anyone it’s scripture to test and see who actually has their theology from scripture. You thought it was my opinion and so felt free to disagree. It’s the Word of God and so you can either adjust your theology or you can take a black marking pen and cross it out of your Bible. But my view is supported by scripture!



Your statement that “And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:” is absolute true and biblical. Yes, the judgment comes after one's appointed death.

Good for you for figuring out that one.

If that is your only "view" then congratulations!

Powerful argument!

Have a great day!

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onewithhim wrote: Thu Feb 22, 2024 6:20 pm
Celsus wrote: Thu Jul 23, 2009 4:40 am Will babies who have died automatically be saved, go to Heaven and get eternal life?
Yes they will be "saved" since they didn't have the knowledge of God and Christ, because they didn't have the opportunity to learn. Everyone must have that opportunity to learn about the truth of what the Scriptures provide for us, true knowledge of God. The babies are innocent and must be given that opportunity.

They will not go to heaven. They will be brought back to life here on the earth in paradise conditions. Going to heaven is what the co-rulers with Christ will accomplish. They are what Jesus called the "little flock," (Luke 12:32) 144,000 people bought from the earth, to rule with him in heaven over the earth. (Revelation 5:10; Revelation 7:4)

Why would God need billions of people in heaven? He made the earth for humans to live on, in perfect conditions. (Isaiah 11:9b; Isaiah 45:18; Psalm 115:16)


"As regards the heavens, to Jehovah the heavens belong, but the earth he has given to the sons of men." ( Psalm 115:16)

"For this is what Jehovah has said, the Creator of the heavens, the true God, the Former of the earth and the Maker of it...who did not create it simply for nothing, who formed it to be inhabited." (Isaiah 45:18)

"The earth will certainly be filled with the knowledge of Jehovah as the waters are covering the very sea." (Isaiah 11: 9b)
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MissKate13 wrote: Sat Mar 02, 2024 8:06 am
Celsus wrote: Thu Jul 23, 2009 4:40 am Will babies who have died automatically be saved, go to Heaven and get eternal life?
Babies have not committed sin to be saved from. They have no knowledge of sin, therefore, they are not accountable.
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onewithhim wrote: Mon Mar 11, 2024 8:45 pm
MissKate13 wrote: Sat Mar 02, 2024 8:06 am
Celsus wrote: Thu Jul 23, 2009 4:40 am Will babies who have died automatically be saved, go to Heaven and get eternal life?
Babies have not committed sin to be saved from. They have no knowledge of sin, therefore, they are not accountable.


According to the Bible, under the New Testament Covenant sin no longer affects anyone's salvation:

For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. (Romans 6:14)

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him, should not perish, but have everlasting life. (John 3:16)


So adults have not committed any sin to be saved from either.

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Re: Will babies who have died automatically be saved?

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myth-one.com wrote: Mon Mar 11, 2024 12:35 pm
Mae von H wrote: Mon Mar 11, 2024 12:22 pm
It is appointed for a man to die once and then comes judgement, not a choice to live eternally or not.

That is not supported in the scriptures and is not what happens!



“And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:”


It’s always interesting to quote scripture without telling anyone it’s scripture to test and see who actually has their theology from scripture. You thought it was my opinion and so felt free to disagree. It’s the Word of God and so you can either adjust your theology or you can take a black marking pen and cross it out of your Bible. But my view is supported by scripture!



Your statement that “And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:” is absolute true and biblical. Yes, the judgment comes after one's appointed death.
You think you’ve said something worth saying?Judgement is after death, appointed death or a death “before your time,” as the Bible puts it. What else is there? Judgement before death? I mean how opaque can one be?
Good for you for figuring out that one.
I guess you’re feeling insecure since you’re using rudeness. Don’t like being bested?
If that is your only "view" then congratulations!

Powerful argument!

Have a great day!


Yup! You don’t like seeing how your whole story is in full defiance of scripture. As a tree falls, so it lies. There’s no repentance when standing before the Judge, There’s no “choosing heaven instead of hell or the 2. death.” No man will be asked if he’d prefer Heaven, The judge decides, not the guilty.

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myth-one.com wrote: Mon Mar 11, 2024 11:25 pm
onewithhim wrote: Mon Mar 11, 2024 8:45 pm
MissKate13 wrote: Sat Mar 02, 2024 8:06 am
Celsus wrote: Thu Jul 23, 2009 4:40 am Will babies who have died automatically be saved, go to Heaven and get eternal life?
Babies have not committed sin to be saved from. They have no knowledge of sin, therefore, they are not accountable.


According to the Bible, under the New Testament Covenant sin no longer affects anyone's salvation:

For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. (Romans 6:14)

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him, should not perish, but have everlasting life. (John 3:16)


So adults have not committed any sin to be saved from either.
I DID NOT WRITE THE ABOVE POST.

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