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Are there any non bias study books on the bible?
(or books about Christianity in general?)

All the books I've seen are either "God is good" or "God is bad"..
I haven't found anything that leaves the final decision up to the reader.

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Bob Israel wrote:over 2300 different christian religions
#-o OK, I'll play. Name them.

And if you're wrong about that belief, then it sorta begs the question: what else are you wrong about? :-k
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Are you contracting with me.lol
What name game ,you were not in the conversation. So what name game are you referring able.

When Yahshua confronts the Adversary, he defeats him by saying, "You shall live by every word that proceeds from the mouth of YAhweh, and Him alone will you serve."
Saul/Paul is only a test for the judgement!
Deuteronomy 13:3 Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for Yahweh your Elohim proveth you, to know whether ye love Yahweh your Elohim with all your heart and with all your soul.

THE DIVINE TEST OF A TRUE APOSTLE OF YESHUA (JESUS) THE MESSIAH

Peter established a test for apostles:
"PETER said...therefore it is necessary that of the men who have accompanied us ALL THE TIME that Yahshua went in and out among us--BEGINNING WITH THE BAPTISM OF JOHN until THE DAY HE WAS TAKEN UP FROM US --one of these must become a witness with us of His resurrection."


(NOTE: Because 'Paul', Barnabas, Timothy, Silvanus and others failed to meet the TEST, set by Peter they were "REJECTED BY ALL IN ASIA"; as acknowledged by 'Paul' and Timothy).

" This you know that ALL THOSE IN ASIA HAVE TURNED AWAY FROM ME "
(2 Tim. 1:15).

First before quoting Apostle Paul at me,Prove that Paul is an Apostle according to this offer.

Paul can not witness for themself - as scripture says ,two or three witness are require for the scripture to proven.Matthew 18:16

1. none of Paul's writngs can not be used.
2. Dr luke the student of Paul can not be used.
3.Hebrews can not be used it is believe to be written by Paul or one of his student.
4. 2 Peter can not be used because it was changed to look as if Peter was supporting Paul. Infact its believe Paul wrote this book of the Bible.


Now, prove Paul either with Torah or the 12 real Apostles.

My prove that Paul is an anti-messiah:

Paul to the Ephesus, - I AM AN APOSTLE Acts 19:1;Rom 1:1;1 cor1:1

Ephesus to Paul - no your not

2 Timothy 1:15–18 (ESV)
15 You are aware that all who are in Asia turned away from me, among whom are Phygelus and Hermogenes. 16 May the Lord grant mercy to the household of Onesiphorus, for he often refreshed me and was not ashamed of my chains, 17 but when he arrived in Rome he searched for me
...

Yahshua to the Ephesus, - WELL DONE!

Revelation 2:1Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks;

2I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:

3And hast borne, and hast patience, and for my name's sake hast laboured, and hast not fainted.


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Now most of them have other branches which seperated because of different beliefs,Yes all them. Now, even with in their own order they fight about different beliefs,I remember when I was caught in the middle of some topic several different groups were arguing about what was the truth within their own belief system. How bad was the difference in their beliefs ,well when I was growing up I heard the mothers often saying your child was @@@@@ back and forward because they belong to a different church.
Roman Catholic Church
Beliefs
Jesus is god
Mother Church
Changed the fourth commandment (they admit doing this ,it's called the Pope's day).
Infact ,they tell the others that they own them; because the only authority for the change of the fourth commandment is Rome. So, I agree and all the others are disrepecting their Pope.

The Catholic Church believes itself to be the original Church founded by Jesus upon the Apostles. The question is which Apostles.
Roman Catholic Church (Latin Rite) - 1,125.5 million
Eastern Catholic Churches (Eastern Rite) - 21.5 million
Alexandrian
Ethiopian Catholic Church - 0.21 million
Coptic Catholic Church - 0.17 million
Antiochian (Antiochene or West Syrian)
Maronite Catholic Church - 3.1 million
Syro-Malankara Catholic Church - 0.5 million
Syriac Catholic Church - 0.17 million
Armenian
Armenian Catholic Church - 0.54 million
Chaldean (Eastern Syrian)
Syro-Malabar Catholic Church - 4.0 million
Chaldean Catholic Church - 0.65 million
Byzantine (Constantinopolitan)
Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church - 4.3 million
Melkite Greek Catholic Church - 1.6 million
Romanian Church United with Rome, Greek-Catholic - 0.8 million
Ruthenian Catholic Church - 0.65 million
Slovak Greek Catholic Church - 0.37 million
Hungarian Greek Catholic Church - 0.27 million
Italo-Greek Catholic Church - 0.07 million
Croatian Greek Catholic Church - 0.06 million
Belarusian Greek Catholic Church - 0.01 million
Bulgarian Greek Catholic Church - 0.01 million
Georgian Byzantine Catholic Church - 0.01 million[2]
Macedonian Catholic Church - 0.01 million
Albanian Greek-Catholic Church - 0.01 million
Greek Byzantine Catholic Church - 0.01 million
Russian Catholic Church - 0.01 million
Breakaway Catholic Churches - 28 million
Apostolic Catholic Church - 5 million
Chinese Patriotic Catholic Association - 4 million[3]
Philippine Independent Church - 3 million
Brazilian Catholic Apostolic Church - 1 million
Old Catholic Church - 0.6 million
Mariavite Church - 0.03 million
Protestantism - 670 million
Historical Protestantism - 350 million
Baptist churches - 105 million[4]
Southern Baptist Convention - 16.3 million[5]
National Baptist Convention, USA, Inc. - 7.5 million[6]
National Baptist Convention of America, Inc. - 5 million[7]
Nigerian Baptist Convention - 3 million[8]
Progressive National Baptist Convention - 2.5 million[9]
American Baptist Churches USA - 1.4 million
Brazilian Baptist Convention - 1.4 million
Baptist Bible Fellowship International - 1.2 million[10]
Myanmar Baptist Convention - 1.1 million[11]
Baptist Community of the Congo River - 1 million[11]
National Baptist Convention, Brazil - 1 million
National Primitive Baptist Convention of the U.S.A. - 1 million[10]
National Missionary Baptist Convention of America - 1 million
Samavesam of Telugu Baptist Churches - 0.8 million[12]
Baptist Convention of Kenya - 0.7 million[11]
Union of Evangelical Christians-Baptists of Russia - 0.6 million
Methodism - 75 million
United Methodist Church - 12 million
African Methodist Episcopal Church - 3 million
Methodist Church Nigeria - 2 million[13]
African Methodist Episcopal Zion Church - 1.5 million
Church of the Nazarene - 1.8 million
Methodist Church of Southern Africa - 1.7 million[14]
Korean Methodist Church - 1.5 million[15]
United Methodist Church of Ivory Coast[16]
Christian Methodist Episcopal Church - 0.9 million
Methodist Church Ghana - 0.8 million[17]
Free Methodist Church - 0.7 million
Methodist Church in India - 0.6 million[18]
Lutheranism - 87 million[19]
Evangelical Church in Germany - 26.9 million[20]
Church of Sweden - 6.9 million
Evangelical Lutheran Church in America - 4.8 million
Ethiopian Evangelical Church Mekane Yesus - 4.7 million
Evangelical Lutheran Church in Tanzania - 4.6 million[21]
Danish National Church - 4.5 million
Evangelical Lutheran Church of Finland - 4.3 million[22]
Batak Christian Protestant Church - 4 million[23]
Church of Norway - 3.9 million
Malagasy Lutheran Church - 3 million
Lutheran Church–Missouri Synod - 2 million
Lutheran Church of Christ in Nigeria - 1.7 million[24]
United Evangelical Lutheran Church in India - 1.5 million[25]
Evangelical Lutheran Church in Papua New Guinea - 0.9 million[26]
Andhra Evangelical Lutheran Church - 0.8 million[27]
Evangelical Church of the Lutheran Confession in Brazil - 0.7 million[28]
Evangelical Lutheran Church in Namibia - 0.6 million[29]
Evangelical Lutheran Church in Southern Africa - 0.6 million[30]
Reformed churches - 75 million
Presbyterianism - 40 million
Presbyterian Church of East Africa - 4 million[31]
Presbyterian Church of Africa - 3.4 million[32]
Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) - 3.0 million
United Church of Canada - 2.5 million
Church of Christ in Congo–Presbyterian Community of Congo - 2.5 million[33]
Presbyterian Church of Korea - 2.4 million[34]
Presbyterian Church of Cameroon - 1.8 million[35]
Church of Scotland - 1.1 million[36]
Presbyterian Church of the Sudan - 1 million[37]
Presbyterian Church in Cameroon - 0.7 million[38]
Presbyterian Church of Ghana - 0.6 million[39]
Presbyterian Church of Nigeria - 0.5 million[40]
Uniting Presbyterian Church in Southern Africa - 0.5 million[41]
Continental Reformed churches - 30 million
Church of Jesus Christ in Madagascar - 3.5 million[42]
United Church of Zambia - 3.0 million[43]
Protestant Church in the Netherlands - 2.5 million[44]
Swiss Reformed Church - 2.4 million
Evangelical Church of Cameroon - 2 million[45]
Protestant Evangelical Church in Timor - 2 million[46]
Christian Evangelical Church in Minahasa - 0.7 million[47]
United Church in Papua New Guinea - 0.6 million[48]
United Church of Christ in the Philippines - 0.6 million[49]
Protestant Church in Western Indonesia - 0.6 million[50]
Evangelical Christian Church in Tanah Papua - 0.6 million[51]
Protestant Church in the Moluccas - 0.6 million[52]
Reformed Church in Hungary - 0.6 million[53]
Reformed Church in Romania - 0.6 million[54]
Uniting Reformed Church in Southern Africa - 0.5 million[55]
Congregationalism - 5 million
United Church of Christ - 1.2 million
Evangelical Congregational Church in Angola - 0.9 million[56]
United Congregational Church of Southern Africa - 0.5 million[57]
Anabaptism and Free churches - 5 million
Brethren - 1.5 million[58]
Mennonites - 1.5 million
Plymouth Brethren - 1 million[59]
Moravians - 0.7 million[60]
Amish - 0.2 million
Hutterites - 0.2 million
Quakers - 0.4 million
Waldensians - 0.05 million
Modern Christian movements - 588 million[61]
Pentecostalism - 130 million
Assemblies of God - 60 million
New Apostolic Church - 11 million
International Circle of Faith - 11 million[62]
The Pentecostal Mission - 10 million
Church of God (Cleveland) - 9 million
International Church of the Foursquare Gospel - 8 million
Church of God in Christ - 5.5 million
Apostolic Church - 6 million
Christian Congregation of Brazil - 2.5 million
Universal Church of the Kingdom of God - 2 million
Church of God of Prophecy - 1 million
God is Love Pentecostal Church - 0.8 million
Indian Pentecostal Church of God - NA
Non-denominational evangelicalism - 80 million
Calvary Chapel - 25 million
Born Again Movement - 20 million
Association of Vineyard Churches - 15 million
New Life Fellowship - 10 million[citation needed]
True Jesus Church - 2.5 million
Charismatic Episcopal Church - NA
African initiated churches - 40 million
Zion Christian Church - 15 million
Eternal Sacred Order of Cherubim and Seraphim - 10 million
Kimbanguist Church - 5.5 million
Church of the Lord (Aladura) - 3.6 million[63]
Council of African Instituted Churches - 3 million[64]
Church of Christ Light of the Holy Spirit - 1.4 million[65]
African Church of the Holy Spirit - 0.7 million[66]
African Israel Niniveh Church[67]
Seventh-day Adventist Church - 17 million
Restoration Movement - 7 million
Churches of Christ - 5 million
Christian Churches and Churches of Christ - 1.1 million[10]
Christian Church (Disciples of Christ) - 0.7 million
Eastern Orthodoxy - 210 million
Autocephalous churches
Russian Orthodox Church - 125 million
Romanian Orthodox Church - 18 million
Serbian Orthodox Church - 15 million
Church of Greece - 11 million
Bulgarian Orthodox Church - 10 million
Georgian Orthodox Church - 5 million
Greek Orthodox Church of Constantinople - 3.5 million
Greek Orthodox Church of Antioch - 2.5 million
Greek Orthodox Church of Alexandria - 1.5 million
Orthodox Church in America - 1.2 million
Polish Orthodox Church - 1 million
Albanian Orthodox Church - 0.8 million
Cypriot Orthodox Church - 0.7 million
Greek Orthodox Church of Jerusalem - 0.14 million
Czech and Slovak Orthodox Church - 0.07 million
Autonomous churches
Ukrainian Orthodox Church (Moscow Patriarchate) - 7.2 million[68]
Moldovan Orthodox Church - 3.2 million
Russian Orthodox Church Outside Russia - 1.25 million
Metropolitan Church of Bessarabia - 0.62 million
Orthodox Ohrid Archbishopric - 0.34 million
Estonian Orthodox Church - 0.3 million
Patriarchal Exarchate in Western Europe - 0.15 million
Finnish Orthodox Church - 0.08 million
Chinese Orthodox Church - 0.03 million
Japanese Orthodox Church - 0.02 million
Latvian Orthodox Church - 0.02 million
Non-universally recognized churches
Ukranian Orthodox Church (Kyiv Patriarchate) - 5.5 million[68]
Belarusian Autocephalous Orthodox Church - 2.4 million
Macedonian Orthodox Church - 2 million
Orthodox Church of Greece (Holy Synod in Resistance) - 0.75 million
Old Calendar Romanian Orthodox Church - 0.50 million
Old Calendar Bulgarian Orthodox Church - 0.45 million
Croatian Orthodox Church - 0.36 million
Montenegrin Orthodox Church - 0.05 million
Orthodox Church in Italy - 0.12 million
Other separated Orthodox groups
Old Believers - 1.8 million
Greek Old Calendarists - 0.86 million
Russian True Orthodox Church - 0.85 million
Oriental Orthodoxy - 75 million
Autocephalous churches in communion
Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Church - 45 million
Coptic Orthodox Church of Alexandria - 15.5 million
Syriac Orthodox Church - 10 million
Armenian Orthodox Church - 8 million
Eritrean Orthodox Tewahedo Church - 2.5 million
Indian (Malankara) Orthodox Church - 2 million[69]
Armenian Orthodox Church of Cilicia - 1.5 million
Autonomous churches in communion
Jacobite Syrian Orthodox Church - 2.5 million
Armenian Patriarchate of Constantinople - 0.42 million
Armenian Patriarchate of Jerusalem - 0.34 million
French Coptic Orthodox Church - 0.01 million
British Orthodox Church - 0.01 million
Churches not in communion
Malabar Independent Syrian Church - 0.06 million
Anglicanism - 82 million
Anglican Communion - 80 million[70]
Church of Nigeria - 18 million
Church of England - 13.4 million
Church of Uganda - 8.8 million
Church of South India - 3.8 million
Anglican Church of Australia - 3.7 million
Episcopal Church in the Philippines - 3.0 million
Anglican Church in Aotearoa, New Zealand and Polynesia - 2.5 million
Anglican Church of Tanzania - 2.5 million
Anglican Church of Southern Africa - 2.4 million
Episcopal Church of the United States - 2.2 million
Anglican Church of Canada - 2.0 million
Anglican Church of Kenya - 1.5 million
Church of North India - 1.3 million
Church of the Province of Rwanda - 1 million
Church of Pakistan - 0.8 million
Anglican Church of Burundi - 0.8 million[71]
Church of the Province of Central Africa - 0.6 million
Church of Christ in Congo–Anglican Community of Congo - 0.5 million[72]
Scottish Episcopal Church - 0.4 million
Church of Ireland - 0.4 million
Continuing Anglican movement - 1.5 million
Traditional Anglican Communion - 0.5 million
Anglican Church in North America - 0.1 million
Nontrinitarianism - 27 million
Latter Day Saint movement (Mormonism) - 14 million
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints - 13.5[73]
Community of Christ - 0.25 million[74]
Jehovah's Witnesses - 7.1 million
Iglesia ni Cristo - 6 million[75]
Oneness Pentecostalism - 6 million
United Pentecostal Church International - 4 million
Pentecostal Assemblies of the World - 1.5 million
Church of Christ, Scientist - 0.4 million
Friends of Man - 0.07 million
Christadelphians - 0.05 million
Nestorianism - 1 million
Assyrian Church of the East - 0.5 million
Ancient Church of the East

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Is there some reason we should accept your analysis and reject all others?

Why is your Church the only pure and true one? Don't they all make that claim? Do we reject all the canons of Scripture that have preceded your judgments, and throw out Paul and three-quarters of the New Testament?

When a Jew does this - stands up and declares that all other Jews throughout the ages have been wrong about virtually everything, and declares that HIS understanding should take precedence over all the wisdom and traditions of the past - we just roll our eyes and ignore him. That doesn't mean we're locked into those traditions; Judaism continues to change and develop and evolve, just as it has for 4,000 years or thereabouts. But one doesn't dismiss it lightly, and revision comes from the consensus of the community, not from individuals who claim to be holier and more spiritually enlightened and superior and wiser than the rest of us. THAT'S the cause of the eye-rolling.

I can only speak for myself, but my eyes tend to roll at every one of your posts. Of course, as a Jew, they're irrelevant to me anyway; the New Testament is not a matter of interest to Jews, and I don't particularly care if you think Paul is an apostle or not.

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Bob Israel: my goodness, how you do go on! :blink:

Now, from your list, please identify just one group that is or was NOT a branch of the Christian Church?

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First off your asumption I belong to a church is wrong.
The asumption YHWH's kingdom is a religion is wrong.
As for Paul you should want to know who was responsible for 2000 years of war, and who changed YHWH word.
The Torah is to come out of Jerusalem and not out of any religion.
Infact the shape of Jerusalem is the shape of the 21 hebrew letter!!!
That in itself is a great sign about Jerusalem,Amein.
And, you yourself should know the only word which counts is YHWH.

And, when an Ephraimite goes out to fight[that to stand up for YHWH] ,Judah was told to remain in his house and not attack Ephraim.

The reason neither a hebrew gentile and Judah can not understand what Yahshua said was he was cut off,in his message, in his Father's word.

Plus Yahshua was not his name as he said he came in his Father's name.
The claim the Father was in Yahshua as ;Yahshua was in the Father,is because
YHWH is Spirit and what is that Spirit - Wisdom, Understanding and Knowledge!
Which was taken from the learn and given to the unlearn!

Now Israelites are not all Jews, there are 12 tribes to the Kingdom of YHWH.

Just as the Christian confuse that Yahshua preached gospel of the Kingdom.

Jews seem to forget their are 12 tribes,which will re-unite as the Kingdom of YHWH,which is YISRAEL.
Amein

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Well, here we go asumption religion keeps changing because they do not hear the word of Yahweh. How did Yahshua say it ,you read the scripture because in them you think, you have eternal life and they testify of Him. So when he said this , there was no new Testament. He aslo said the law and the Prophets.

Than Yahshua said the only word he spoke was from the Father,and that is who He proclaim to us ,so we would listen too- YAHWEH!!!

You will like his clip on youtube in is a very important discovery in Jerusalem:



So, what is the little book which both Jew and Gentile are to listen ;before any one else!!! TORAH

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Profound proof the temple ground is found.

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So is the temple ground in the hands of Judah?







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Scotland’s national poet Robert Burns (1798) wrote: O wad some power the giftie gie us,
To see oursel’s as ithers see us!
It wad frae mony a blunder free us,
An' foolish notion.
Freely translated:
  • O wouldn't it be great if we could,
    See ourselves as others see us!
    It would free us from many blunders,
    And foolish notions.
Bob, please try to step back and appreciate the impression that your post would have on any intelligent reader. Just in case your browser does not have a spell check built in (many do nowadays) there is a SpellCheck button provided for you on the form. So the repeated misspelling of assumption (asumption) and in fact (infact) not only make you look as if English is not your native language, but it makes you look like you have not mastered even the basics of the web technologies. Small thing, but impressions count and it is easily remedied.
Bob Israel wrote: Infact the shape of Jerusalem is the shape of the 21 hebrew letter!!!
That in itself is a great sign about Jerusalem,Amein.
The twenty-first Hebrew letter is Image
Here is a map of the classical city of Jerusalem:
Image
I can find no reference to these being the same and I cannot see it either. Your post seems like nonsense.

Bob Israel wrote: Plus Yahshua was not his name as he said he came in his Father's name.
The claim the Father was in Yahshua as ;Yahshua was in the Father,is because
YHWH is Spirit and what is that Spirit - Wisdom, Understanding and Knowledge!
Which was taken from the learn and given to the unlearn!
I have read and re-read this paragraph. It also makes no sense. Now, if your intent is to portray yourself as as a poorly educated person who has not the capability to put together a coherent posting, then you have done well. However, I do not believe that is your intent. Please, take the time to re-read your posts, imagining yourself as a typical reader of these forums, use the preview button, if it helps, before you click on the submit button.
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