does the koran has miracles, that prove -koran is from god-

[candlelight1377]

the question is ---does the koran has miracles, that prove that koran is from god ?
i will give you the evidences one by one
so we can discuss it one by one

[McCulloch]

Scientists have differed greatly in their understanding of the role of the mountains in stabilizing the earth.

Geology is the science of understanding the earth and its processes. Please cite some examples from geologists supporting your claim that they differ greatly in their understanding of the role of the mountains in stabilizing the earth.

A logical question therefore arises: how can the mountains stabilize the earth, while their mass and dimensions are so small when compared to the earth's mass and dimensions?

Actually, I find no example of any geologist asking this question. This is probably because no geologist believes that mountains stabilize the earth.

One continent pushes the platform under the other continent till the two collide compressing the rock aggregate between them into great mountain chains extending with their wedges, which fasten the rocks of both continents together just like a wedge fastens down a tent .

Please cite any example of any geologist who promotes this interpretation of plate tectonics.

The mountain chains with their deep roots in the lithosphere , (whose depth comes to about ten to fifteen times their height above the earth's surface) tend to subside these violent motions [precession] , lessen the powerful staggering of the earth's rotational axis and make the earth more stable and orderly in its rotation around the axis . The mountains also, attenuate the violent movement of the earth in such a way that a tire attenuates percussion during rotation.

Please cite any example of any geologist who makes this claim.

[BwhoUR]

the question is ---does the koran has miracles, that prove that koran is from god ?
i will give you the evidences one by one
so we can discuss it one by one

Mountains do not stablize the earth, the earth's plates have been shifting for thousands of years and will continue to shift for thousands of years to come, nothing has stopped it. Earthquakes continue to destablize the earth (see: California, Haiti) and will continue to do so. What is the miracle if earthquakes continue to occur?

[candlelight1377]

About mountains
1- “Have We not made the earth as a bed, and the mountains as pegs?� (Quran 78:6-7) and the root of the mountains ?
2- About mountain and its role in stabilizing earth
No one said that mountains prevent earthquakes – its about preventing earth form shaking – and there is a different here in the meaning
Concerning the earth as a planet, we know that the rotational motion around its axis has changed its completely circular shape into a spheroid, slightly bulging at the equator, and slightly flat at the poles. This equatorial protrusion of the earth caused the rotational axis to change its direction in a slow motion called 'Precession'. The term refers to the slow gyration of Earth's axis around the pole of the ecliptic, caused mainly by the gravitational pull of the sun, moon, and other planets of Earth's equatorial bulge. The mountain chains with their deep roots in the lithosphere , (whose depth comes to about ten to fifteen times their height above the earth's surface) tend to subside these violent motions , lessen the powerful staggering of the earth's rotational axis and make the earth more stable and orderly in its rotation around the axis . The mountains also, attenuate the violent movement of the earth in such a way that a tire attenuates percussion during rotation.
Also
"The formation of ice-sheets can cause the Earth's surface to sink. Conversely, Isostatic post-glacial rebound is observed in areas once covered by ice-sheets which have now melted, such as around the Baltic Sea and Hudson Bay. As the ice retreats, the load on the lithosphere and asthenosphere is reduced and they rebound back towards their equilibrium levels. In this way, it is possible to find former sea-cliffs and associated wave-cut platforms hundreds of metres above present-day sea-level. The rebound movements are so slow that the uplift caused by the ending of the last Ice Age is still continuing." (Taken from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isostasy)
"Continental crust and oceanic crust exist on lithospheric plates buoyant upon a molten, highly viscous aethenosphere. Within Earth's crustal layers, balancing processes take place to account for differing densities and mass in crustal plates. For example, under mountain ranges, the crust slumps or bows deeper into the upper mantle than where the land mass is thinner across continental plains. Somewhat akin to how icebergs float in seawater, with more of the mass of larger icebergs below the water than smaller ones, this bowing results in a balance of buoyant forces termed isostasy.
"Isostasy is not a process or a force. It is simply a natural adjustment or balance maintained by blocks of crust of different mass or density." (Taken from: http://science.enotes.com/earth-science/Isostasy)
Readers! You tell me now, if this natural adjustment is eliminated from the Earth then there will be an unbalance and as the continental crust and oceanic crust on lithospheric plates move around, then their mass and weight will definitely shake the Earth.
To prevent this natural adjustment from elimination and to maintain the equilibrium and balance on Earth, plate tectonics take place and in turn mountains are formed as I have mentioned above.
"Plate tectonics is unique to Earth. But learning about it during the last 40 years has given scientists many theoretical tools to understand other planets, even those that circle other stars." (Taken from:
http://geology.about.com/library/bl/bln ... te-tec.htm)

if you read the researches again and Also See this links
http://maps.unomaha.edu/Maher/ESSlectur ... stasy.html
http://www.news.utoronto.ca/bin6/060421-2217.asp
http://honolulu.hawaii.edu/distance/gg1 ... gram8.html
http://home.pcisys.net/~dlblanc/

and what about the researches I have posted about ?
1- Big bang in Koran+
2- expansion of the universe in koran
3- every living being dependent upon water in koran
4- Embryology in Koran !!
5- FOETUS PROTECTED BY THREE VEILS OF DARKNESS in koran
6- The Arabic word (anzalna) which translated provided earth with iron – from sky –

[Wyvern]

Candle, you can repaste the same information about plate tectonics from any site you like but it does not take away from the fact that the koran is wrong in stating that mountains stop earthquakes. The fact that both Los Angeles and San Francisco have earthquakes even though they both have the coastal range going through them disproves the claim. You keep mentioning plate tectonics maybe you should look into the relation between fault lines and earthquakes.

[BwhoUR]

It was not until the mid sixties that the answer became known. It appeared that the lithosphere runs through a tremendous network of faults...
The violent motion of these plates is only calmed through the consecutive formation of mountain chains till they reach their final stage. This is achieved by completely consuming the ocean platform that separates two remote continents.

Concerning the earth as a planet, we know that the rotational motion around its axis has changed its completely circular shape into a spheroid, slightly bulging at the equator, and slightly flat at the poles. This equatorial protrusion of the earth caused the rotational axis to change its direction in a slow motion called 'Precession'. The term refers to the slow gyration of Earth's axis around the pole of the ecliptic, caused mainly by the gravitational pull of the sun, moon, and other planets of Earth's equatorial bulge.
(Finally, here you connect the mountains to your theory) The mountain chains with their deep roots in the lithosphere , (whose depth comes to about ten to fifteen times their height above the earth's surface) tend (tend?) to subside these violent motions , lessen (lessen?) the powerful staggering of the earth's rotational axis and make the earth more stable and orderly in its rotation around the axis . The mountains also, attenuate the violent movement of the earth in such a way that a tire attenuates percussion during rotation.
This is a clear example of the scientific inimitability...

http://www.elnaggarzr.com/en/main.php?id=3

Bold additions have been made by me for emphasis on ify proof.

Okay, I've read this several times and it appears by my reading that you make a "leap" here in order to connect that which is not very important (i.e. mountians) to what is critical (dense oceanic crust, Earth's rotation, the sun and the moon), to promote a final conclusion that it's because of the the "Mountains with pegs" that the Earth does not shake on it's axis.

Since you said before that the "shaking" the Koran speaks of is the Earth's Obliquity and not earthquakes, the answer is in your own research but you are putting emphasis on mountains when the scientific conclusions are clear that the slow rotation of the Earth's axis is caused by the sun and the moon and the earth's equatorial bulge (and the equatorial bulge is caused by the centrifical force of the Earth's rotation which is not caused by mountains either) and further, that it is still happening and will continue to happen. If this argument is not just about mountains (or it's about mountians as much as it's about trees is it not?), if so many other major things are necessary to not stop, but slow the Earth's "shaking" the Koran (to me) shows a lack of understanding. You cannot first say it is BECAUSE of mountains it works, then say WITHOUT mountains how could it work.

Here is my research on the subject:
Can the Earth's Axis Flip?
Yet another common catastrophist theme has to do with causing the Earth's axis to shift somehow. When I mention continental drift to non-scientists, I often am asked if having the continents all together as they were 200 million years ago might have unbalanced the Earth. Surprisingly, the Earth's continents are closely bunched now. If you look down on Paris on a globe, you will see a hemisphere containing most of the Earth's land. If you look down on the opposite point on the globe (southeast of New Zealand), you will see a hemisphere almost entirely covered by ocean. The Earth is very asymmetrical - in fact there is very little land on earth diametrically opposite other land - but a second surprising point is that the distribution of continents and oceans has almost no effect on the balance of the Earth. First of all, the crust is only 1/300 of the Earth's mass, and second, recall that the crust 'floats' on the plastic mantle. Continental crust is thick and high, but it's light. Oceanic crust is thin and low, but it's dense. This buoyant effect, called isostasy, in effect makes the Earth self-balancing. The plasticity of the Earth's interior has another important side effect. The centrifugal force resulting from the Earth's rotation causes the Earth to bulge at the Equator by about 14 miles. Changing the rotation of a sphere is hard, changing the rotation of an ellipsoid like the Earth is harder yet. The Earth has a lot of extra mass where it counts most. Finally, recall your attempt to get your swivel chair rotating; the Earth cannot cause its own rotation to change significantly.
Some people think of the Earth's axis "flipping over," like a top falling on its side or perhaps like one of the novelty tops that spontaneously flips over. But tops change their motion because they are balanced on a firm surface and because gravity is pulling them downward. Under zero gravity conditions, like in a spacecraft, both types of tops would spin until they slowed due to air resistance. In space, with no air, they would spin forever, and not flip or fall over. The Earth is spinning like a top, but like one spinning in space.
The amount of energy contained in the earth's rotation is pretty large: 2.1 x 1029 joules. You'd have to supply an appreciable fraction of that to change the earth's rotation in any major way. To put this number in perspective, a megaton is 4 x 1015 joules. You'd have to supply about 5 x 1014 megatons, or about 100 million times the total nuclear arsenal of the Earth. So we can see that the science fiction theme of a nuclear blast affecting the earth's rotation is just plain impossible. The kinetic energy of the earth in its orbit is about 2.7 x 1033 joules or about 10,000 times its rotational energy, so the entire earth's nuclear arsenal could hardly affect the earth in its orbit even if we could somehow deliver the energy effectively.
Another way to look at this is that it takes 400,000 joules to melt a kilogram of rock, so to change the earth's rotation, you'd liberate enough energy to melt 5 x 1023 kilograms of rock or almost 10 per cent of the earth.
Source: Steven Dutch, Natural and Applied Sciences, University of Wisconsin - Green Bay

EARTH’S OBLIQUITY:

Another property of the Earth's orbit is the "wobble" of the axis itself due to the gravitational pull of the sun and the moon on the equatorial bulge of the Earth. This property causes the time of the equinox to change in a cycle of 23,000 years.

Sources:
http://www.museum.state.il.us/exhibits/ ... ation.html (has a neat video of Laurentide deglaciation)
http://culter.colorado.edu:1030/~saelias/glacier.html
http://www.bio.umass.edu/biology/conn.r ... ology.html


One more thing, the BEST way to describe a mountains roots in the earth is "roots" not "pegs". Your turn...

[BwhoUR]

Candle, where are you? I came back just to update my post. It appears that NASA geophysicists believe that that last Chilean earthquake was soo strong that it knocked the earth off it's axis by about 3 inches AND shortened our days by about 6.8 microseconds. Isn't that interesting?

[McCulloch]

About mountains
1- “Have We not made the earth as a bed, and the mountains as pegs?� (Quran 78:6-7) and the root of the mountains ?
2- About mountain and its role in stabilizing earth
No one said that mountains prevent earthquakes – its about preventing earth form shaking – and there is a different here in the meaning

Actually no. Quake and shake in English are synonyms.

Concerning the earth as a planet, we know that the rotational motion around its axis has changed its completely circular shape into a spheroid, slightly bulging at the equator, and slightly flat at the poles. This equatorial protrusion of the earth caused the rotational axis to change its direction in a slow motion called 'Precession'. The term refers to the slow gyration of Earth's axis around the pole of the ecliptic, caused mainly by the gravitational pull of the sun, moon, and other planets of Earth's equatorial bulge. The mountain chains with their deep roots in the lithosphere , (whose depth comes to about ten to fifteen times their height above the earth's surface) tend to subside these violent motions , lessen the powerful staggering of the earth's rotational axis and make the earth more stable and orderly in its rotation around the axis .

The mountains also, attenuate the violent movement of the earth in such a way that a tire attenuates percussion during rotation.

Not that I don't trust you, but please cite any modern geologist who claims that mountains have this effect.

[mlex]

According to Wikipedia ‘’ the atmosphere of earth is a layer of gases surrounding the planet earth that is retained by earth’s gravity. The atmosphere protects life on earth by absorbing ultraviolet solar radiation.’’* And reference to NASA ‘’ the atmosphere also protects us from high _energy radiation and the frigid vacuum of space.’’*

It is interesting for me but what is more interesting than that?
The book of Muslims refers to this fact clearly before one thousand years ... the book (Quran) said what means ‘’ we made the sky preserved protected roof yet still they turn away from our signs...’’


* (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmosphere_of_Earth)
*(http://www.nasa.gov/audience/forstudent ... f_atm.html)


how did prophet muhammad(be peace upon him) know this fact ?

certianly the holy Quran from god who made the universe

[BwhoUR]

According to Wikipedia ‘’ the atmosphere of earth is a layer of gases surrounding the planet earth that is retained by earth’s gravity. The atmosphere protects life on earth by absorbing ultraviolet solar radiation.’’* And reference to NASA ‘’ the atmosphere also protects us from high _energy radiation and the frigid vacuum of space.’’*

It is interesting for me but what is more interesting than that?
The book of Muslims refers to this fact clearly before one thousand years ... the book (Quran) said what means ‘’ we made the sky preserved protected roof yet still they turn away from our signs...’’

* (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmosphere_of_Earth)
*(http://www.nasa.gov/audience/forstudent ... f_atm.html)

how did prophet muhammad(be peace upon him) know this fact ?

certianly the holy Quran from god who made the universe

I appreciate you wanting to change the subject, but if you could enlighten us about earth shaking first, with consideration given to the scientific evidence and proof that has been provided by me and others, which directly refutes the Quran's explanations, and with your own independent scientific information relating to how mountains stop the earth from shaking or quaking, we could then talk about the atmosphere or any other 'miracle' you want. If you change the subject now, then it appears you agree with me that mountains do not stop the Earth from shaking, is that right?

[McCulloch]

how did prophet muhammad(be peace upon him) know this fact ?

certianly the holy Quran from god who made the universe

Here are some other wonderful facts that Allah revealed to Mohammad:

• There are eleven planets. 12:4
• Bees eat fruit, not nectar 16:68-69
• Hail comes from mountains. (24:43)
• All living things have been created in pairs. (51:49)