Who impregnated Mary?

[Zzyzx]

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Who impregnated Mary?

If Jesus was “the son of god�, then “god� must be the father – and must have impregnated her.

However, doesn’t “scripture� say that Mary was impregnated by “the holy spirit�? Aren’t “god the father� and “the holy spirit� supposed to be DIFFERENT parts of the triad?

Wouldn’t that make Jesus the “son of the holy spirit�?

Was there an “angel� involved?

[bernee51]

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Who impregnated Mary?

If Jesus was “the son of god�, then “god� must be the father – and must have impregnated her.

However, doesn’t “scripture� say that Mary was impregnated by “the holy spirit�? Aren’t “god the father� and “the holy spirit� supposed to be DIFFERENT parts of the triad?

Wouldn’t that make Jesus the “son of the holy spirit�?

Was there an “angel� involved?

Interseting question....the subject of speculation.

This story from New Zealand looks at it.

Why the biilbaord?

From the church's website:

•To invite people to think about the virgin birth and the nature of God.
•To say that there was more than one Christian way to think about the virgin birth and God. Indeed there are many.
•To promote the Progressive view of Jesus having 2 human parents and God being the power of love in his life.
•To ridicule the very literalistic view that God is a male and literally sired Jesus.
•To invite people outside of the church to see a type of Christianity here at St Matthew’s that they might be able to relate to.

[Metatron]

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Who impregnated Mary?

If Jesus was “the son of god�, then “god� must be the father – and must have impregnated her.

However, doesn’t “scripture� say that Mary was impregnated by “the holy spirit�? Aren’t “god the father� and “the holy spirit� supposed to be DIFFERENT parts of the triad?

Wouldn’t that make Jesus the “son of the holy spirit�?

Was there an “angel� involved?

Actually, if Jesus is part of a trinity that pre-exists his "birth" as Christians usually insist, I don't see why he needed any help from God or the Holy Spirit. Since he already was an omnipotent being (or at least part of one), couldn't he have stuffed himself into the baby suit unassisted? No father needed!

[whirlwind]

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Who impregnated Mary?

If Jesus was “the son of god�, then “god� must be the father – and must have impregnated her.

However, doesn’t “scripture� say that Mary was impregnated by “the holy spirit�? Aren’t “god the father� and “the holy spirit� supposed to be DIFFERENT parts of the triad?

Wouldn’t that make Jesus the “son of the holy spirit�?

Was there an “angel� involved?

He is the Son of God and Matthew tells us.....

Matthew 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as His mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.

However, that "of the Holy Ghost," is interesting.

The Holy Ghost...pneuma hagion = holy spirit: i.e. power from on high, not "the Holy Spirit."

This usage (without the article) occurs 52 times in the New Testament, and is always wrongly rendered "the Holy Spirit" (with the definite article, and capital letters). Consequently there is no stronger rendering availble when there are two Articles present in the Greek ( to pneuma to hagion), which means "The Spirt the Holy [Spirit]". Hence the English reader can never tell which of the two very differnt Greek expressions he is reading.

Pneuma hagion (without Articles) is never used of the Giver (the Holy Spirit), but only and always of His gift. What this gift is may be seen by comparing Acts 1:4,5 with Luke 24:49, wherer "the promise of the Father" is called ( in the former passage) pneuma hagion, and in the latter is called "power from on high." This "power from on high" includes whatever gifts the Holy Spirit may bestow" according to His own will." What particular gift is meant is sometimes stated, e.g. "faith, power, etc." This will be found to be the case in every one of the 52 occurrences.

.......Companion Bible, E.W. Bullinger

[whirlwind]

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Who impregnated Mary?

If Jesus was “the son of god�, then “god� must be the father – and must have impregnated her.

However, doesn’t “scripture� say that Mary was impregnated by “the holy spirit�? Aren’t “god the father� and “the holy spirit� supposed to be DIFFERENT parts of the triad?

Wouldn’t that make Jesus the “son of the holy spirit�?

Was there an “angel� involved?

Actually, if Jesus is part of a trinity that pre-exists his "birth" as Christians usually insist, I don't see why he needed any help from God or the Holy Spirit. Since he already was an omnipotent being (or at least part of one), couldn't he have stuffed himself into the baby suit unassisted? No father needed!

He came to show us the way in a flesh body and to offer His flesh body as a sacrifice for our sins.

John 6:51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is My flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

[JoeyKnothead]

From the OP:

Who impregnated Mary?

She and Joseph both swear up and down it wasn't him. Who else had access to this young lady? Surely in a town this small we can find the daddy. All y'all yonder to Settler's Bridge last Saturday 'tween 7 and 11, y'all need to go to the county nurse there and get your test, and shots if ya caught it, it seems our Miss Mary may have had multiple encounters.

[whirlwind]

From the OP:

Who impregnated Mary?

She and Joseph both swear up and down it wasn't him. Who else had access to this young lady? Surely in a town this small we can find the daddy. All y'all yonder to Settler's Bridge last Saturday 'tween 7 and 11, y'all need to go to the county nurse there and get your test, and shots if ya caught it, it seems our Miss Mary may have had multiple encounters.

[Goat]

From the OP:

Who impregnated Mary?

She and Joseph both swear up and down it wasn't him. Who else had access to this young lady? Surely in a town this small we can find the daddy. All y'all yonder to Settler's Bridge last Saturday 'tween 7 and 11, y'all need to go to the county nurse there and get your test, and shots if ya caught it, it seems our Miss Mary may have had multiple encounters.

Or, if you really want to complicate things, it wasn't until oh, 70 years or so later than this story came about. Could it be that it was made up? After all, one of the restrictions about going into the temple is that a mamzer (or person who's father was not married to his mother) was unclean for 10 generations.. and would not be allowed to go into synagogues or the temple. Yet, we have stories of Jesus amazing the Rabbi's in the houses of worship as a child. This is in direct contradiction with Joseph not being Jesus' father.

So, it would be entirely reasonable to assume that Jesus, if he existed at all, had as his biological father to be Joseph.

[whirlwind]

From the OP:

Who impregnated Mary?

She and Joseph both swear up and down it wasn't him. Who else had access to this young lady? Surely in a town this small we can find the daddy. All y'all yonder to Settler's Bridge last Saturday 'tween 7 and 11, y'all need to go to the county nurse there and get your test, and shots if ya caught it, it seems our Miss Mary may have had multiple encounters.

Or, if you really want to complicate things, it wasn't until oh, 70 years or so later than this story came about. Could it be that it was made up? After all, one of the restrictions about going into the temple is that a mamzer (or person who's father was not married to his mother) was unclean for 10 generations.. and would not be allowed to go into synagogues or the temple. Yet, we have stories of Jesus amazing the Rabbi's in the houses of worship as a child. This is in direct contradiction with Joseph not being Jesus' father.

So, it would be entirely reasonable to assume that Jesus, if he existed at all, had as his biological father to be Joseph.

You are mistaken....

Deuteronomy 23:2 A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD.

Bastard # 4464 ~ mamzer to alienate: a mongrel, i.e. born of a Jewish father and a heathen mother.

A mamzer is one of mixed race.

[Goat]

From the OP:

Who impregnated Mary?

She and Joseph both swear up and down it wasn't him. Who else had access to this young lady? Surely in a town this small we can find the daddy. All y'all yonder to Settler's Bridge last Saturday 'tween 7 and 11, y'all need to go to the county nurse there and get your test, and shots if ya caught it, it seems our Miss Mary may have had multiple encounters.

Or, if you really want to complicate things, it wasn't until oh, 70 years or so later than this story came about. Could it be that it was made up? After all, one of the restrictions about going into the temple is that a mamzer (or person who's father was not married to his mother) was unclean for 10 generations.. and would not be allowed to go into synagogues or the temple. Yet, we have stories of Jesus amazing the Rabbi's in the houses of worship as a child. This is in direct contradiction with Joseph not being Jesus' father.

So, it would be entirely reasonable to assume that Jesus, if he existed at all, had as his biological father to be Joseph.

You are mistaken....

Deuteronomy 23:2 A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD.

Bastard # 4464 ~ mamzer to alienate: a mongrel, i.e. born of a Jewish father and a heathen mother.

A mamzer is one of mixed race.

I don't know where you got that from, but, well, it's frankly incorrect. There are a number of ways someone can be a mamzer.... but 'born of a jewish father and a heathen mother' is not one of them. Strong is wrong.

From http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jso ... 13122.html

Definition

"If she cannot contract a legally valid marriage to this man, but can contract a legally valid marriage to others, her offspring [from the former] is a mamzer. Such is the case when a man has sexual relations with any of the ervot ["forbidden"; see *Incest] in the Torah" (Kid. 3:12; cf. Yev. 4:13). Thus, a mamzer is the issue of a couple whose sexual relationship is forbidden according to the Torah and punishable by *karet or death. Because of this a marriage between them is void (Sh. Ar., EH 4:13), and thus, for example, the issue of a union between brother and sister or between a man and a woman validly married to another at the time is a mamzer


Now, one thing I will point out is that an offspring of an unwed mother is not a mamzer, but since Josesph was married to Mary, that makes any child that is not his offspring a mamzer.