Make us Believe in Christ
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Make us Believe in Christ
Post #1To all Christians, please, make us believe in Christ our Lord and Savior. Not using verses from the bible, nor by saying we just need faith, but by using scientific evidence of his existence and his deeds. This is simple, use your words and not words from the bible to explain and prove Jesus/God's existence.
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ChaosBorders
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Re: Make us Believe in Christ
Post #2Can't. By the very rules of science and history, miracles don't qualify as either. Even if they objectively happened, you can't 'prove' them using those systems.BOgg wrote:To all Christians, please, make us believe in Christ our Lord and Savior. Not using verses from the bible, nor by saying we just need faith, but by using scientific evidence of his existence and his deeds. This is simple, use your words and not words from the bible to explain and prove Jesus/God's existence.
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“Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind.� -Albert Einstein
The most dangerous ideas in a society are not the ones being argued, but the ones that are assumed.
- C.S. Lewis
“Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind.� -Albert Einstein
The most dangerous ideas in a society are not the ones being argued, but the ones that are assumed.
- C.S. Lewis
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scottlittlefield17
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Its not possible. At this point it is your own choice whether you believe. As for later...well I won't preach 
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Re: Make us Believe in Christ
Post #4Many theories have been made linking science and religion that are fairly plausible, for example Zecharia Sitchin who linked ancient Sumerian tablets (the oldest texts found in human history) with Egyptian, Babylonians, Assyrians, Hebrews and now Christians.Chaosborders wrote:Can't. By the very rules of science and history, miracles don't qualify as either. Even if they objectively happened, you can't 'prove' them using those systems.BOgg wrote:To all Christians, please, make us believe in Christ our Lord and Savior. Not using verses from the bible, nor by saying we just need faith, but by using scientific evidence of his existence and his deeds. This is simple, use your words and not words from the bible to explain and prove Jesus/God's existence.
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If someone told you that there was a man walking on water and bringing people back from the dead, without any proof whatsoever, you would believe him?scottlittlefield17 wrote:Its not possible. At this point it is your own choice whether you believe. As for later...well I won't preach
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First, I can’t make you do anything.
Second, there is no such thing as scientific evidence of a historical person. There is historical evidence – for instance what has been written about a person – but it is not scientific evidence in that it cannot be empirical tested.
Second, there is no such thing as scientific evidence of a historical person. There is historical evidence – for instance what has been written about a person – but it is not scientific evidence in that it cannot be empirical tested.
Understand that you might believe. Believe that you might understand. –Augustine of Hippo
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Absolutely notIf someone told you that there was a man walking on water and bringing people back from the dead, without any proof whatsoever, you would believe him?
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CLAIMS made can be scientifically tested. Do people come back from the grave? Do virgins give birth after being impregnated by supernatural beings? Do people walk on water? Does water magically turn into wine? Do seas part and storms calm on command?
If the response is "no but . . . . goddidit", the burden of proof is upon the claimant.
Those who believe god stories in their favorite book readily dismiss similar god stories in other books -- without reason.
Valid and credible historical evidence is taken from numerous sources. Seldom is a single source accepted without verification -- particularly when the issues involve public displays that should be evident to many writers of the era.bjs wrote:First, I can’t make you do anything.
Second, there is no such thing as scientific evidence of a historical person. There is historical evidence – for instance what has been written about a person – but it is not scientific evidence in that it cannot be empirical tested.
CLAIMS made can be scientifically tested. Do people come back from the grave? Do virgins give birth after being impregnated by supernatural beings? Do people walk on water? Does water magically turn into wine? Do seas part and storms calm on command?
If the response is "no but . . . . goddidit", the burden of proof is upon the claimant.
Those who believe god stories in their favorite book readily dismiss similar god stories in other books -- without reason.
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Non-Theist
ANY of the thousands of "gods" proposed, imagined, worshiped, loved, feared, and/or fought over by humans MAY exist -- awaiting verifiable evidence
Non-Theist
ANY of the thousands of "gods" proposed, imagined, worshiped, loved, feared, and/or fought over by humans MAY exist -- awaiting verifiable evidence
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If you have anything historically accurate about Jesus that is reliable then please do share.bjs wrote:First, I can’t make you do anything.
Second, there is no such thing as scientific evidence of a historical person. There is historical evidence – for instance what has been written about a person – but it is not scientific evidence in that it cannot be empirical tested.
