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Post BBCode URL - Right click and save to clipboard to use later in post Post 1: Fri Feb 18, 2011 6:38 am
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I know muslims are allowed to pray at synagogues, numerous youtube vids (by Jews) that i've come across (e.g This), say Jews can pray at a mosque but not at a church.

Is it true Jews can pray at mosques but not at churches?
Why?

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Re: Jewish Prayers

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Murad wrote:
I know muslims are allowed to pray at synagogues, numerous youtube vids (by Jews) that i've come across (e.g This), say Jews can pray at a mosque but not at a church.

Is it true Jews can pray at mosques but not at churches?
Why?


I personally have never heard such a thing. While that does not rule out some group or other declaring that, it has not been a concern to Reform Judaism at least.

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I had read somewhere that Jews were not to enter churches, never mind pray in them, but that that prohibition had long since been abandoned. After digging around a bit, I find that some, at least, Orthodox still hold to that tradition, on the ground that Christians worship a different God, i.e., the Trinity; but since Muslims worship the One God, that it's OK to enter and pray in a mosque. Since it's my understanding that even Orthodox authorities accept that Christianity is monotheistic nowadays, I doubt that there are many Jews, other than the extreme Haredi Orthodox types, who still hold to this.

It strikes me as weird and kind of arrogant -- presuming to define other people's beliefs for them, which I find incredibly wrong -- but then we Jews have our extreme fundamentalist types too.

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I had read somewhere that Jews were not to enter churches, never mind pray in them, but that that prohibition had long since been abandoned. After digging around a bit, I find that some, at least, Orthodox still hold to that tradition, on the ground that Christians worship a different God, i.e., the Trinity; but since Muslims worship the One God, that it's OK to enter and pray in a mosque. Since it's my understanding that even Orthodox authorities accept that Christianity is monotheistic nowadays, I doubt that there are many Jews, other than the extreme Haredi Orthodox types, who still hold to this.

It strikes me as weird and kind of arrogant -- presuming to define other people's beliefs for them, which I find incredibly wrong -- but then we Jews have our extreme fundamentalist types too.


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on the ground that Christians worship a different God, i.e., the Trinity


Who says Christianity worships a different God then the Jews or Arabs-the children of Abraham and Ishmael? I am a Christian and I do not worship no trinity 'three-gods-in-one' like the one interpreted by the Pope and most of these TBN so-called Christians.

I ask you now, if I was to say that I'm Muslim and built a huge Mosque and preach against Allah, would I be considered a Muslim?

No.

Neither is anyone who takes and blasphemes the One and Only God our Great "I Am" and makes Him into three demy-gods can be called a true Christian. God is ONE and He will deal with those who blaspheme His Holy name "I Am" or deny His Only Begotten Son Jesus the Christ and call him God.

Jesus made it perfectly clear who He was, He said: "My Father sent me, .. He is my God and your God, my Father and your Father.." and no doctrine of men can ever change that fact.

May God bless us all.

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Neither is anyone who takes and blasphemes the One and Only God our Great "I Am" and makes Him into three demy-gods can be called a true Christian. God is ONE and He will deal with those who blaspheme His Holy name "I Am" or deny His Only Begotten Son Jesus the Christ and call him God.

Jesus made it perfectly clear who He was, He said: "My Father sent me, .. He is my God and your God, my Father and your Father.." and no doctrine of men can ever change that fact.


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Post BBCode URL - Right click and save to clipboard to use later in post Post 6: Mon Feb 27, 2012 8:24 am
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cnorman18 wrote:
I had read somewhere that Jews were not to enter churches, never mind pray in them, but that that prohibition had long since been abandoned. After digging around a bit, I find that some, at least, Orthodox still hold to that tradition, on the ground that Christians worship a different God, i.e., the Trinity; but since Muslims worship the One God, that it's OK to enter and pray in a mosque. Since it's my understanding that even Orthodox authorities accept that Christianity is monotheistic nowadays, I doubt that there are many Jews, other than the extreme Haredi Orthodox types, who still hold to this.

It strikes me as weird and kind of arrogant -- presuming to define other people's beliefs for them, which I find incredibly wrong -- but then we Jews have our extreme fundamentalist types too.


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on the ground that Christians worship a different God, i.e., the Trinity


Who says Christianity worships a different God then the Jews or Arabs-the children of Abraham and Ishmael? I am a Christian and I do not worship no trinity 'three-gods-in-one' like the one interpreted by the Pope and most of these TBN so-called Christians.

I ask you now, if I was to say that I'm Muslim and built a huge Mosque and preach against Allah, would I be considered a Muslim?

No.

Neither is anyone who takes and blasphemes the One and Only God our Great "I Am" and makes Him into three demy-gods can be called a true Christian. God is ONE and He will deal with those who blaspheme His Holy name "I Am" or deny His Only Begotten Son Jesus the Christ and call him God.

Jesus made it perfectly clear who He was, He said: "My Father sent me, .. He is my God and your God, my Father and your Father.." and no doctrine of men can ever change that fact.

May God bless us all.


I agree with everything you have written in your comment. The trinity does not seem to follow monotheistic principles. But if the majority of Christians believe in the Trinity maybe the problem is with Christianity and not individual Christians.



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Post BBCode URL - Right click and save to clipboard to use later in post Post 7: Wed Feb 29, 2012 7:54 pm
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arian wrote:
cnorman18 wrote:
I had read somewhere that Jews were not to enter churches, never mind pray in them, but that that prohibition had long since been abandoned. After digging around a bit, I find that some, at least, Orthodox still hold to that tradition, on the ground that Christians worship a different God, i.e., the Trinity; but since Muslims worship the One God, that it's OK to enter and pray in a mosque. Since it's my understanding that even Orthodox authorities accept that Christianity is monotheistic nowadays, I doubt that there are many Jews, other than the extreme Haredi Orthodox types, who still hold to this.

It strikes me as weird and kind of arrogant -- presuming to define other people's beliefs for them, which I find incredibly wrong -- but then we Jews have our extreme fundamentalist types too.


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on the ground that Christians worship a different God, i.e., the Trinity


Who says Christianity worships a different God then the Jews or Arabs-the children of Abraham and Ishmael? I am a Christian and I do not worship no trinity 'three-gods-in-one' like the one interpreted by the Pope and most of these TBN so-called Christians.

I ask you now, if I was to say that I'm Muslim and built a huge Mosque and preach against Allah, would I be considered a Muslim?

No.

Neither is anyone who takes and blasphemes the One and Only God our Great "I Am" and makes Him into three demy-gods can be called a true Christian. God is ONE and He will deal with those who blaspheme His Holy name "I Am" or deny His Only Begotten Son Jesus the Christ and call him God.

Jesus made it perfectly clear who He was, He said: "My Father sent me, .. He is my God and your God, my Father and your Father.." and no doctrine of men can ever change that fact.

May God bless us all.


I agree with everything you have written in your comment. The trinity does not seem to follow monotheistic principles. But if the majority of Christians believe in the Trinity maybe the problem is with Christianity and not individual Christians.

http://www.matanot365.co.il/


Since this is a very protected and fragile Jewish forum where only Jewish matters are allowed to be discussed, I cannot answer that here in fear of being put under probation, ... never mind, ... too late.

Meanwhile the atheists, agnostics and the like are allowed to streach their legs on the other more Christian-related forums, monitored by the same people??

Oh well,.... I don't complain.

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Post BBCode URL - Right click and save to clipboard to use later in post Post 8: Wed Feb 29, 2012 9:47 pm
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Like I said more than a year ago; it's incredibly rude and arrogant, and wrong, to presume to define other people's beliefs for them. As a former Christian, I can assure you that Christians do not regard the Trinity as three separate gods, and even the sages and rabbis of old concluded that Christians could not be properly accused of polytheism. The fact that you (or anyone else) don't understand a given point of belief, or disagree with it, doesn't automatically render it evil and heretical.

The Jewish attitude is -- if someone's belief doesn't match your own, it's no business of yours anyway. Just leave them alone. Would that everyone had such a benign attitude and approach. In my experience, religious approaches that are more about condemnation, rather than compassion or justice, tend to drive people away and produce more conflict and hatred than anything else. But, again, maybe that's just me.

Oh -- and this subforum IS about Judaism, not Christianity. That's why it's called "Judaism."

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Post BBCode URL - Right click and save to clipboard to use later in post Post 9: Wed Feb 29, 2012 11:28 pm
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arian wrote:

Since this is a very protected and fragile Jewish forum where only Jewish matters are allowed to be discussed, I cannot answer that here in fear of being put under probation, ... never mind, ... too late.


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Post BBCode URL - Right click and save to clipboard to use later in post Post 10: Wed Jun 13, 2012 12:05 am
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Jews can pray at alters only because at the time of their suffering god instructed to do so wisely due to the attacks of the wild back in the hay day.

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