Why would God allow his holy book to be corrupted by man?

zcaz · Post by **zcaz** » Thu Mar 03, 2011 11:03 pm

The Bible clearly teaches that Jesus is God incarnated and this is evident through comparison ..
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Who saves the world?
"I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour." Isaiah 43:11

...the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world. 1 John 4:14
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The word and God are one
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God John 1:1

...the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us...John 1:14
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God is the first and the last
I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he. Isaiah 41:4

Jesus said, "Fear not; I am the first and the last:" Revelation 1:17
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Only God is to be worshipped
... Then saith Jesus unto him... Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. Matthew 4:10

While [Jesus] spake these things unto them, behold, there came a certain ruler, and worshipped him... Matthew 9:18
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Who is the Messiah?
...unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder...and his name shall be called... The mighty God, The everlasting Father... Isaiah 9:6 (talking about god being the messiah)

The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things. Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he. John 4:25-26
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So here is clear cut evidence that Jesus in the Bible indirectly claimed to be God. If you reject this, you would have to believe that God allowed his word to be manipulated by man and or changed his mind when he gave Muhammad his revelation.

Wouldn't it make sense however, that the Bible claims Jesus is the only way to salvation, and Satan being the clever deceiver/copy cat that he is, gave a false revelation to Muhammad with the sole purpose of discrediting Jesus?

With so many Islamic organizations and movements out there hellbent on destroying Christians and Jews alike, it seems as if Islam is a 'wolf in sheeps clothing' where they do have good messages of peace but also a huge following of spiritual and political leaders who claim the Imam Mahdi is alive and is going to help in the uprising of Islam(sounds a lot like the Christian prophesied anti-christ).

I'm not trying to be offensive, I'm just wondering how Islam is justified in their beliefs that there is an almighty God, yet he allowed his word to be semi-perverted?

Murad · Post by **Murad** » Sat Mar 26, 2011 8:44 pm

James Simmons wrote: Thank you...

Brother Yaqub, I'm guessing your ahlus sunnah (sunni)?

Jacob Simonsky · Post by **Jacob Simonsky** » Sun Mar 27, 2011 12:33 am

Yeah, that Jews and Christians will burn in Hell, and you will have a sex orgy with a roomful of virgins. I imagine, if you are like Muhammad, you prefer them young. REAL young.

Muhammad killed 1000's of Jews. You are pro-Dictatorship, anti freedom, antichrist and antisemetic in saying this. Actually, you are pro-murder of Jews, and pro-sex slave raping of women and children Jews by saying this. Muhammad is your guy.[/quote]

Thank you, Ball Pean, in the name of Jesus, for your words.

Jacob Simonsky · Post by **Jacob Simonsky** » Sun Mar 27, 2011 12:36 am

Murad wrote:
James Simmons wrote: Thank you...
Brother Yaqub, I'm guessing your ahlus sunnah (sunni)?

I have no inclination to be any "kind" of Muslim. Perhaps what I am saying here is typical of reverts who have never lived in Muslim countries.

What do you think?

Murad · Post by **Murad** » Sun Mar 27, 2011 1:15 am

James Simmons wrote:
Murad wrote:
James Simmons wrote: Thank you...
Brother Yaqub, I'm guessing your ahlus sunnah (sunni)?

I have no inclination to be any "kind" of Muslim. Perhaps what I am saying here is typical of reverts who have never lived in Muslim countries.

What do you think?

Well considering that you've only been a muslim for 2 years, your most likely not too familiar with Sunni & Shia.

First of all, yes, all the 'sects' of Islam use the same Quran, there is no "Sunni Quran" like there is the "Catholic Bible".

What you have is Mainstream Islam aka "Ahlus Sunnah wal Jamaah", which make up 80-90% of all muslims.

Then you have Shia Islam, which makes up approx the other 10-20%.

I myself am a mainstream muslim (Sunni) & im guessing you are too.

A basic sum up:
http://islam.about.com/cs/divisions/f/shia_sunni.htm

Jacob Simonsky · Post by **Jacob Simonsky** » Sun Mar 27, 2011 1:49 am

Then you have Shia Islam, which makes up approx the other 10-20%.

I myself am a mainstream muslim (Sunni) & im guessing you are too.

A basic sum up:
http://islam.about.com/cs/divisions/f/shia_sunni.htm[/quote]

You are the first who has ever asked that question. I do understand the history of the two groups. I understand there are others as well. I don't mean Sufi, I mean other more obscure groups.

If the issue never comes up in my local group I doubt I'll ever express any preference.

Yaqub

Murad · Post by **Murad** » Sun Mar 27, 2011 1:53 am

James Simmons wrote:

You are the first who has ever asked that question. I do understand the history of the two groups. I understand there are others as well. I don't mean Sufi, I mean other more obscure groups.

If the issue never comes up in my local group I doubt I'll ever express any preference.

Yaqub

Well, i dont label myself sunni or shia, i simply call myself a "Muslim", but it is important to know your orientation within Islam.

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Jacob Simonsky · Post by **Jacob Simonsky** » Sun Mar 27, 2011 2:57 am

Orientation within Islam? I'll do some research on this.

Murad · Post by **Murad** » Sun Mar 27, 2011 4:33 am

James Simmons wrote:Orientation within Islam? I'll do some research on this.

Its quite easy.

How do you view Abu Bakr, Umar & Uthman (r.a) ?

If it's negative then you are Shia, if it's positive then you are mainstream Sunni.

Jester · Post by **Jester** » Sun Mar 27, 2011 5:27 am

Ball Pean wrote:Yeah, that Jews and Christians will burn in Hell, and you will have a sex orgy with a roomful of virgins. I imagine, if you are like Muhammad, you prefer them young. REAL young.

Muhammad killed 1000's of Jews. You are pro-Dictatorship, anti freedom, antichrist and antisemetic in saying this. Actually, you are pro-murder of Jews, and pro-sex slave raping of women and children Jews by saying this. Muhammad is your guy.

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Jacob Simonsky · Post by **Jacob Simonsky** » Sun Mar 27, 2011 5:45 am

Murad wrote:
James Simmons wrote:Orientation within Islam? I'll do some research on this.
Its quite easy.

How do you view Abu Bakr, Umar & Uthman (r.a) ?

If it's negative then you are Shia, if it's positive then you are mainstream Sunni.

I'll read about that. What makes someone a Sufi or is that some kind of special mystical category???