What do Muslims have to trump Christianity?

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Can Muslims prove that Muhammad was a descendant of Ishmael? If so, can Muslims prove that Ishmael was a prophet. Can Muslims prove that Muhammad meets the requirements of prophet hood; for instance, is he from the right ancestral line; has he performed any miracle or given any prophecy that was fufilled; has he been confirmed by other prophets? Did he know the name of God?

Since the Quran means recitation, should it have been written. Does any Muslim know where one can find an original Quran? Can they prove that the copy of the Quran they have from Uthman's time hasn't been corrupted after he burned the originals and recompiled it? Is there any record that shows Muhammad claimed to even be a prophet during his life time or that any pronounced him one?

[McCulloch]

No. No. No. Not really. No. Who knows?

Writing is a very useful invention, so why not? No. No. Probably not.

[Burninglight]

No. No. No. Not really. No. Who knows?

Writing is a very useful invention, so why not? No. No. Probably not.

NO? I agree lol

[LaaIlahaIllAllah]

Can Muslims prove that Muhammad was a descendant of Ishmael?

Just found this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_tree_of_Muhammad

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adnan

Didn't search up hadiths so you can do that yourself later if you want.

If so, can Muslims prove that Ishmael was a prophet.

{And mention in the Book (the Quran) Isma'il (Ishmael). Verily! He was true to what he promised, and he was a Messenger, (and) a Prophet.

And he used to enjoin on his family and his people As-Salat (the prayers) and the Zakat, and his Lord was pleased with him.}
[ Surat Maryam/19, v. 54-55 ]

Can Muslims prove that Muhammad... has he performed any miracle or given any prophecy that was fufilled

They're in hadiths. Try a quick Google search.

has he been confirmed by other prophets?

Yes. Though the places where he is mentioned, others obviously don't agree with it. And is this really a requirement of prophethood?

Did he know the name of God?

If your talking about that "YHWH" thing that nobody knows how to pronounce, then yes he did know it. According to Jewish Encyclopedia, "YHWH" means "The Living" and "self-existing/self-sufficient". These are a few among the names of Allah (Azza wa Jal).

Since the Quran means recitation, should it have been written.

There is no objection to it being written. It is in both oral and textual forms. It has been oral since it was revealed and written not long after (btw it was not all revealed at once). But the actual literal Book with verses of Quran written in it, Muslims usually call it a "Kitab" which means "Book". Because, as you said, the Quran is a recitation.

Does any Muslim know where one can find an original Quran?

Dunno. Maybe this site can help you with something along these lines:

http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Text/Mss/

Can they prove that the copy of the Quran they have from Uthman's time hasn't been corrupted after he burned the originals and recompiled it

Yes. Because the transmission of the Quran is mutawaatir, meaning it is reported the same from many different authentic chains of narration that go back to the prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). Also, a good thing that I mentioned before is that the Quran was/is in both oral and textual forms so it is even more proof since both are mutawaatir and this helped in compilation of Quran into a Book in the first place.

Unless there was a conspiracy among the Arabs and they all decided to recite it the same for centuries and maybe even got a time machine to tell the future generations to do the same.

Is there any record that shows Muhammad claimed to even be a prophet during his life time or that any pronounced him one?

Of course. In the hadiths.

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That is not proof that Muhammad considered himself a prophet unless you can proof it was written at the time he was alive. Is there any documentation that says he is a prophet written before he died by him or by others about him?

BTW, u don't have an original Quran, because Uthman (son in law) burned them and those that memorized the Quran were killed. Why would Marwa destroy Hafsa's copy after her death? Why???
Uthman rewrote the Quran, but is there any evidence that the Quran should have even been written to begin with? Quran means say not write, am I right?

[CagoGuy]

Can Muslims prove that Muhammad was a descendant of Ishmael? If so, can Muslims prove that Ishmael was a prophet. Can Muslims prove that Muhammad meets the requirements of prophet hood; for instance, is he from the right ancestral line; has he performed any miracle or given any prophecy that was fufilled; has he been confirmed by other prophets? Did he know the name of God?

Since the Quran means recitation, should it have been written. Does any Muslim know where one can find an original Quran? Can they prove that the copy of the Quran they have from Uthman's time hasn't been corrupted after he burned the originals and recompiled it? Is there any record that shows Muhammad claimed to even be a prophet during his life time or that any pronounced him one?

I'm a little confused about the comparison to Christianity here. From a Christian perspective, why would you ask for proof. Can't a Muslim just say he has faith in all of these things? This is what a Christian says when factual issues from the bible are challenged.

[LaaIlahaIllAllah]

That is not proof that Muhammad considered himself a prophet unless you can proof it was written at the time he was alive. Is there any documentation that says he is a prophet written before he died by him or by others about him?

If you study the hadith sciences you will see that they are proof.

Also, from the Quran. Many times by just calling him "Our servant" and also a number of times with his name. For example:

{Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah ; and those with him are forceful against the disbelievers, merciful among themselves. You see them bowing and prostrating [in prayer], seeking bounty from Allah and [His] pleasure. Their mark is on their faces from the trace of prostration. That is their description in the Torah. And their description in the Gospel is as a plant which produces its offshoots and strengthens them so they grow firm and stand upon their stalks, delighting the sowers - so that Allah may enrage by them the disbelievers. Allah has promised those who believe and do righteous deeds among them forgiveness and a great reward.}
[ Surat Al-Fath/48, v. 29 ]

And you also know that the Quran was written in the prophet's lifetime, peace and blessings be upon him. Then compiled and then an a standard one was selected, etc.

BTW, u don't have an original Quran, because Uthman (son in law) burned them and those that memorized the Quran were killed.

Nope, in fact the first harf is the one that Uthman, may Allah be pleased with him, used. First harf is which was first revealed to the prophet, peace be upon him, then he asked for some more and received 6 more.

Also, many that memorized it were killed but ofcourse not everyone that memorized it because multitudes had memorized it.

Just as a side note incase you didn't know - the thing where many people that memorized it died happened when Abu Bakr, may Allaah be pleased with him, was the khalifah. He was first, Uthman, may Allaah be pleased with him, was third.

Why would Marwa destroy Hafsa's copy after her death? Why???
is there any evidence that the Quran should have even been written to begin with? Quran means say not write, am I right?

For these ones, all I know is that the prophet, peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him, approved, if not commanded/encouraged it to be written down.

I'm not that knowledgeable for this but these are easy questions for Muslim scholars/sheikhs so you should go to a mosque or somethin to find out.

Another side note - the Quran has been 'passed down' textually and orally as well so that is another way we have proof that it is the same cause both match still with the ones from back in the day - that mutawaatir thing I spoke about before.

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Can Muslims prove that Muhammad was a descendant of Ishmael? If so, can Muslims prove that Ishmael was a prophet. Can Muslims prove that Muhammad meets the requirements of prophet hood; for instance, is he from the right ancestral line; has he performed any miracle or given any prophecy that was fufilled; has he been confirmed by other prophets? Did he know the name of God?

Since the Quran means recitation, should it have been written. Does any Muslim know where one can find an original Quran? Can they prove that the copy of the Quran they have from Uthman's time hasn't been corrupted after he burned the originals and recompiled it? Is there any record that shows Muhammad claimed to even be a prophet during his life time or that any pronounced him one?

I'm a little confused about the comparison to Christianity here. From a Christian perspective, why would you ask for proof. Can't a Muslim just say he has faith in all of these things? This is what a Christian says when factual issues from the bible are challenged.

There always has to be fact to build to build ones faith; for instance, someone saw Jesus' life and miracles, His death and resurrection. If, however, one could prove that Jesus didn't die and rise from the dead that would destroy Christianity.

Muslims have been trying to say that, but they base their believe strictly on faith in the Quran with no proof. It states that someone made to look like Jesus died, but Christians know that is contrived. The Bible was written closer to the time of the events it records than the Quran. Besides, it isn't logical that those who witnessed His death and resurrection would go about risking their lives to preach a tale.

I believe it when the Quran says that Allah is the "best of deceivers" only His deception was not what the Quran states; his deception was to get people to believe Jesus didn't die so they can believe a lie and be cut off from the source of all life! As I mentioned, the greatest threat to Islam is knowledge; what keeps them going, for the most part, is ignorance.

They foolishly believe that the Bible is corrupted even though Muhammad never said that. Modern Islam says that, but what they don't realize is they are saying that man's ability to corrupt God's word is greater than God's power to preserve His word. Logic would tell anyone that if God couldn't keep His word in tact before Muhammad or during his time, He wouldn't be able to do it after. The Bible says His word is established forever in Heaven. Jesus is His word. He is not a messenger; He is the Message!

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That is not proof that Muhammad considered himself a prophet unless you can proof it was written at the time he was alive. Is there any documentation that says he is a prophet written before he died by him or by others about him?

If you study the hadith sciences you will see that they are proof.

Also, from the Quran. Many times by just calling him "Our servant" and also a number of times with his name. For example:

{Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah ; and those with him are forceful against the disbelievers, merciful among themselves. You see them bowing and prostrating [in prayer], seeking bounty from Allah and [His] pleasure. Their mark is on their faces from the trace of prostration. That is their description in the Torah. And their description in the Gospel is as a plant which produces its offshoots and strengthens them so they grow firm and stand upon their stalks, delighting the sowers - so that Allah may enrage by them the disbelievers. Allah has promised those who believe and do righteous deeds among them forgiveness and a great reward.}
[ Surat Al-Fath/48, v. 29 ]

And you also know that the Quran was written in the prophet's lifetime, peace and blessings be upon him. Then compiled and then an a standard one was selected, etc.

BTW, u don't have an original Quran, because Uthman (son in law) burned them and those that memorized the Quran were killed.

Nope, in fact the first harf is the one that Uthman, may Allah be pleased with him, used. First harf is which was first revealed to the prophet, peace be upon him, then he asked for some more and received 6 more.

Also, many that memorized it were killed but ofcourse not everyone that memorized it because multitudes had memorized it.

Just as a side note incase you didn't know - the thing where many people that memorized it died happened when Abu Bakr, may Allaah be pleased with him, was the khalifah. He was first, Uthman, may Allaah be pleased with him, was third.

Why would Marwa destroy Hafsa's copy after her death? Why???
is there any evidence that the Quran should have even been written to begin with? Quran means say not write, am I right?

For these ones, all I know is that the prophet, peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him, approved, if not commanded/encouraged it to be written down.

I'm not that knowledgeable for this but these are easy questions for Muslim scholars/sheikhs so you should go to a mosque or somethin to find out.

Another side note - the Quran has been 'passed down' textually and orally as well so that is another way we have proof that it is the same cause both match still with the ones from back in the day - that mutawaatir thing I spoke about before.

I would like to listen to Muslims debate each other regarding this. Many say you can trust the hadiths only the Quran, but I say neither can be trusted.

[LaaIlahaIllAllah]

I would like to listen to Muslims debate each other regarding this. Many say you can trust the hadiths only the Quran, but I say neither can be trusted.

Yes there are some who deny the ahadeeth. Most of them are following some kind of deviant sect and the founder of it tells his followers that the hadiths are false and things of that nature, b/c they would disprove their false religion in a second. The only way they attempt to survive is by twisting Quran verses and ignoring the explanations of the prophet (peace be upon him), his companions (may Allaah be pleased with them) and the following generations of great Imams and scholars (may Allaah have mercy on them).

Also, there are just some who are confused or new to the religion and then the ahadeeth overwhelm them. Or, like some, deny things because of their culture or programming and then claim that the prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) could not have said that - just cause it goes against some of their views.....

But these people have all been nicely refuted by scholars and other people of knowledge. Most of those who deny hadiths don't even look at the system and process of authentication, they just deny out of their own whims and desires.