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Why do we give a moral pass to unethical Abrahamic religions

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The Abrahamic religions, all three of them, have been directly or indirectly responsible for the great majority of world wars since Constantin made Christianity the Roman Empire's state religion. Christian religious colonists are responsible for the world's largest ethnic holocaust, directly or indirectly killing somewhere between 100 and 300 million Native Americans who were in the way of these European colonial imperialists. For the past 64 years the European Jewish religious colonial enterprise has been systematically eliminating indigenous Palestinian Arab peoples from Palestine in the Ashkenazim's goal of complete takeover of Palestine and remake into Israel, that enterprise being foisted on the world via Western powers winning WW II and setting up their European colony, Israel, in the heart of the Middle East using their newly created United Nations to fool the world. (The Partition of Palestine completely violated the U.N.'s Charter protecting the right of self-determination for indigenous populations). In other words, a crime against humanity has been falsely legitimatized and still we protect the culprits. Even doing so on these Internet discussion forums where monitors at the helm will block anyone protesting Abrahamic religious abuses and crimes against humanity.

What are we told? "People are free to critique any religion on this forum. There is no special status to any religion. However, what is prohibited are inflammatory language, blanket generalizations, and uncivil remarks."

In other words, if you do point out the specific crimes being perpetrated by, say, Jews supporting Israel of ethnic genocide, you get the warnings even though a former U.S. President agrees with my assessment of racial discrimination and ethnic cleansing being at the heart of Israeli settlement building. Still, we can't talk about this lest it be taken as "blanket generalization", "uncivil remarks". A stance similar in ethics to the Nazis labeling anyone who defied their aggression and occupation as "terrorists". .

I expect more from "Debating Christianity & Religion" than this Debasing Christianity and Religion with kow-towing to evil acts that come dressed up in religious form.

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Excellent timing! I'll get back to you tomorrow night.


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arielmessenger wrote: The Abrahamic religions, all three of them, have been directly or indirectly responsible for the great majority of world wars since Constantin made Christianity the Roman Empire's state religion. Christian religious colonists are responsible for the world's largest ethnic holocaust, directly or indirectly killing somewhere between 100 and 300 million Native Americans who were in the way of these European colonial imperialists.
I’m not sure how the Christian religion directly relates to the treatment of Native Americans, but since that’s not my primary interest here -- I’m not a Christian -- I think I’ll let this bit go. Perhaps others might want to take you up on these assertions.
For the past 64 years the European Jewish religious colonial enterprise has been systematically eliminating indigenous Palestinian Arab peoples from Palestine in the Ashkenazim's goal of complete takeover of Palestine and remake into Israel, that enterprise being foisted on the world via Western powers winning WW II and setting up their European colony, Israel, in the heart of the Middle East using their newly created United Nations to fool the world.
Wow! I don’t think I’ve seen this many unsupported claims and provably false assertions in a single sentence since I began debating on Internet forums more than ten years ago.

Let’s examine them one by one:
“For the past 64 years the European Jewish religious colonial enterprise...�
[Let’s put that together with]
“... Western powers winning WW II and setting up their European colony, Israel...�
Okay, first, of what “Western powers� is Israel a “colony�?

The supposedly “supportive� British actually limited Jewish immigration to Palestine both during and after the Holocaust. The book and movie were fiction, but there was a real ship called the Exodus 1947, filled with Jewish refugees from DP camps after World War II, which was forcibly turned back from landing in Palestine in that year. Its passengers were forced to go back to Germany. We can be fairly certain that Israel is not a “colony� of Great Britain. Who, then? France? Fat chance. Germany, perhaps? Maybe the US -- who would not lift a finger to help their “friends,� the Israelis, in 1967?

What “Western powers� does Israel serve as a “colony�?

Now, let’s look at this:
“...European Jewish religious colonial enterprise...�
“the Ashkenazim’s goal of complete takeover...�
The Israeli pronunciation of Hebrew is the Sephardic pronunciation. The majority of Jews in Israel are Sephardic, not Ashkenazic. Before the 1990s with their huge influx of Russian and French Jews, that would have been “the overwhelming majority,� since for the first years of its existence, more immigrants into the new nation came from the North African and Arab nations from which they had been forcibly expelled than from Europe.

And now this, which has of course been disproven elsewhere:
“... systematically eliminating indigenous Palestinian Arab peoples from Palestine...�
A full 20% of the population of Israel proper is Arab/Palestinian; many Arabs never left Israel, and they and their descendants live there to this day. They own land, do business, VOTE, serve in the KNESSET, and in the Israeli Army. There are more Arabs in Israel today than at its founding, and their population continues to increase.

The “systematic elimination� apparently isn’t going very well.

And this, of course:
“... goal of complete takeover of Palestine and remake into Israel...�
More nonsense. Israel actually sanctioned, financed, and PROVIDED ARMS for the Palestinian Authority on Arafat’s promise that the PA would crack down on terrorism and work for a peaceful two-state solution. What followed, of course, was the Karine A debacle and more terrorism. Israel has offered “land for peace� over and over and OVER again -- most notably when the Sinai, with all its oil reserves, was offered to Egypt in exchange for a peace treaty. The treaty was signed, and Israel withdrew from the Sinai completely. It is now, once again, part of Egypt. The Sinai was occupied by Israel after the 6-Day War, same as the West Bank. The West Bank was offered to Jordan in exchange for a peace treaty, too; that offer was rejected.

Israel only wants Israel. By way of contrast, the Palestinian terror organizations have explicitly and publicly said, over and over again, that their “goal� is the complete eradication of Israel and the expulsion or extermination of every Jew in the Middle East.

As is usual when this sort of thing appears on the forum, you do not so much as acknowledge the issue of terrorism -- specifically, the deliberate targeting of unarmed women and children for mass murder -- never mind attempt to defend it.

And then we have this:
“... using their newly created United Nations to fool the world.�
Weird. As if the UN were some sort of fictional enterprise that no one took seriously at the time, or whose actions had no real impact. One wonders why you’re not even more worried about Pakistan -- it, too, was founded by UN mandate after a long and bloody war, which was much more clearly about conflict between an Abrahamic religion and a non-Abrahamic one. But of course no Jews were involved...

Enough dealing with these fantasies. Let’s go on:
(The Partition of Palestine completely violated the U.N.'s Charter protecting the right of self-determination for indigenous populations).
Uh, no, it didn’t. There have ALWAYS been Jews in Palestine, since Roman times, and Jews were legally purchasing land and immigrating there from the 1880s onward. At the time of partition, the Jews were the largest ethnic group in what became Israel. I proved all this on another thread, proofs which you have chosen not to dispute or debate.

Again: the notion that a bunch of European Jews suddenly showed up in Palestine in 1948 and forced the peaceful indigenous Arabs off their land at gunpoint is simply a myth, or more often, a deliberate lie. The historical record is clear. Those who promote the myth, like yourself, find it very hard to even acknowledge these FACTS, like yourself, and even harder to find anything to say to disprove them, again like yourself.
In other words, a crime against humanity has been falsely legitimatized and still we protect the culprits.
Given that everything you have said so far has been definitively proven and documented to be wholly false, your conclusion is obviously false as well. 

Sorry about that. Propaganda doesn’t get much play around here. You are expected to defend your claims with evidence in these debates, not just spout your polemic myths and feign outrage when they are not instantly swallowed without examination.
Even doing so on these Internet discussion forums where monitors at the helm will block anyone protesting Abrahamic religious abuses and crimes against humanity.
An obvious falsehood. You can post whatever you like here, and you have. No one “blocked� you from participating in the two other threads, here and here, where this subject remains open. You either fled them, or decided not to participate, as soon as you saw hard evidence presented which you could not counter with anything but more shouting and footstamping. Want to debate? Go for it. Nobody’s tying your hands.

What the “monitors� -- we call them moderators, because that is what they are -- are here to prevent is the unrestricted use of personal attack, insults, inflammatory, offensive and unsupported claims, and blatant hatemongering propaganda. If you indulge in that sort of thing, there are consequences; but that has nothing to do with “protecting� anyone or anything, or preventing FACTUAL and CIVIL debate of any kind.
What are we told? "People are free to critique any religion on this forum. There is no special status to any religion. However, what is prohibited are inflammatory language, blanket generalizations, and uncivil remarks."
And that is perfectly true and accurate.
In other words, if you do point out the specific crimes being perpetrated by, say, Jews supporting Israel of ethnic genocide, you get the warnings...
No. You get the warnings because you posted “inflammatory language, blanket generalizations, and uncivil remarks.� Not the same thing at all.
...even though a former U.S. President agrees with my assessment of racial discrimination and ethnic cleansing being at the heart of Israeli settlement building.
President Carter has formally apologized for “stigmatizing� Israel -- and he doesn’t post here. Even if he did, he has never used the kind of language you do, never made the claims that you have, and never exhibited such open and vitriolic hatred -- and if he had, he would have been warned too.
Still, we can't talk about this lest it be taken as "blanket generalization", "uncivil remarks". A stance similar in ethics to the Nazis labeling anyone who defied their aggression and occupation as "terrorists".
Predictable. Not worth a comment, other than to note that it’s another example of “inflammatory language, blanket generalizations, and uncivil remarks.�
I expect more from "Debating Christianity & Religion" than this Debasing Christianity and Religion with kow-towing to evil acts that come dressed up in religious form.
So post some FACTS, with CREDIBLE REFERENCES, and RESPOND to those who post FACTS and CREDIBLE REFERENCES to counter your own unsupported and inflammatory claims.

For starters, you might explain why you continue to claim that Israel is some sort of indictment against the Jewish religion, even though that has been shown to be false several times here -- with no rebuttal from you whatever. That's called an "unsupported claim," you see, and it's one of the things you like to do which are against the rules.

The rules you agreed to abide by when you signed up here. Remember?

We’ve seen claims of righteous martyrdom from those who insist of throwing around insults, hate speech, and pure, unsupported propaganda many, many times, on many, many different subjects. You’re not fooling anyone.

You want to debate this? Then DEBATE it. Posting your unsupported tripe, your bigoted myths and slogans, your propaganda, and your polemic distortions and falsehoods, and refusing to engage when you encounter resistance, is not debate.

It’s spray-painting slogans on a wall and then running away.

Like I keep saying: Phfft. You're no threat to anybody, your words have no effect on anyone, and you VASTLY overestimate your own importance. Sorry, but there is no Worldwide Jewish Conspiracy dedicated to controlling Internet forums in order to suppress your personal hate campaign. You're just another guy with a spray can -- and nobody cares.

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Norm, all anyone has to do to see that you are just running interference for Israel is read today's news about how Israel is blocking the U.N.'s probe into illegal settlement building.

Israel holds the World's Record for refusing to abide by United Nations resolutions and mandates. Israel is a rogue state in the international community and will eventually loose the support of even Christian Americans. See the close vote by the United Council of Churches or some other big Christian group to protest by disenvestment in Catapillar, Motorola, and Hewett-Packard, for their roles in apartheid technology, e.g. the armored Catapillar crushing of Rachel Corrie by IDF a few years back.

Your adopted religious Israeli Zionist cohorts, Norm, are paranoid crazies now completely out of touch with reality as they very foolishly, like you, continue to do everything wrong in the way of reaching out to their Arab neighbors as good neighbors themselves. It's really in the religion's core to not be good neighbors, not share even God with others. You can't share God with others, you can't share anything material and that, my friend, is anti-social behavior embedded within the Jewish religion that fundamentalist Israelis will drive Israel into the ground with.

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As expected, no response to the factual information and references in my post at all, just more diatribe and propaganda. Well, let's look at it -- and actually respond to it -- anyway:
arielmessenger wrote: Norm, all anyone has to do to see that you are just running interference for Israel is read today's news about how Israel is blocking the U.N.'s probe into illegal settlement building.
Okay.

Here is a quote from the story in today's Jerusalem Post:
Hillel Neuer, executive director of the Geneva based non profit group UN Watch, immediately attacked the announcement. “While there are genuine human rights victims on all sides, this inquiry’s mandate is imbalanced and lacks credibility,� Neuer said.

“Its terms were framed in a four-page resolution, co-sponsored by the Arab and Islamic groups, that omits any reference to Arab terrorism against Israeli civilians, including the hundreds of rockets fired recently from Gaza and Sinai into Israeli towns and villages."
The United Nations Human Rights Council has been universally condemned for its obvious and blatant bias against the state of Israel and for giving a total pass to the other nations who have monumentally worse records on human rights, and to the terrorist organizations against which Israel is continually defending itself.
From the Wikipedia article on the UNHRC:
Overview

As of 2010, Israel had been condemned in 32 resolutions by the Council since its creation in 2006. The 32 resolutions comprised 48.1% of all country-specific resolutions passed by the Council. By April 2007, the Council had passed nine resolutions condemning Israel, the only country which it had specifically condemned. Toward Sudan, a country with human rights abuses as documented by the Council's working groups, it has expressed "deep concern.".
The council voted on 30 June 2006 to make a review of alleged human rights abuses by Israel a permanent feature of every council session. The Council's special rapporteur on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is its only expert mandate with no year of expiry. The resolution, which was sponsored by Organisation of the Islamic Conference, passed by a vote of 29 to 12 with five abstentions. Human Rights Watch urged it to look at international human rights and humanitarian law violations committed by Palestinian armed groups as well. Human Rights Watch called on the Council to avoid the selectivity that discredited its predecessor and urged it to hold special sessions on other urgent situations, such as that in Darfur.
The Special Rapporteur on the question of Palestine to the previous UNCHR, the current UNHRC and the General Assembly was, between 2001 and 2008, John Dugard. Bayefski quotes him as saying that his mandate is to "investigate human rights violations by Israel only, not by Palestinians". Dugard was replaced in 2008 with Richard Falk, who has compared Israel's treatment of Palestinians with the Nazis' treatment of Jews during the Holocaust. Like his predecessor, Falk's mandate only covers Israel’s human rights record.
The UN Human Rights Council was castigated by Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu for facilitating an event featuring a Hamas politician. The Hamas parliamentarian had spoken at an NGO event in the UN Geneva building. Israel’s ambassador to the UN, Ron Prosor, denounced the speech stating that Hamas was an internationally recognized terrorist organization that targeted civilians. “Inviting a Hamas terrorist to lecture to the world about human rights is like asking Charles Manson to run the murder investigation unit at the NYPD�, he said.

UN Secretaries General

In 2006, UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan argued that the Commission should not have a "disproportionate focus on violations by Israel. Not that Israel should be given a free pass. Absolutely not. But the Council should give the same attention to grave violations committed by other states as well."
On 20 June 2007, Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon issued a statement that read: "The Secretary-General is disappointed at the council's decision to single out only one specific regional item given the range and scope of allegations of human rights violations throughout the world."
Back to you, Ariel:
Israel holds the World's Record for refusing to abide by United Nations resolutions and mandates.
Perhaps there's a reason.

This is from an ANTI-Israel website, and it speaks for itself:
Israel is the target of at least 65 UN Resolutions and the Palestinians are the target of none.
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That was posted by another anti-Israel propagandist like yourself, though a rather more dimwitted one, and of course it proves this point rather conclusively: the United Nations is not unbiased and evenhanded when it comes to the question of Israel. Far from it.

There is much more here, here, and here.

A quote from that last:
In his speech to open the 61st General Assembly of the United Nations in September 2006, then-Secretary General Kofi Anan admitted that Israel is often unfairly judged by the international body and its various organizations. “On one side, supporters of Israel feel that it is harshly judged by standards that are not applied to its enemies,� Annan said. “And too often this is true, particularly in some UN bodies.�

Despite being the only democracy in the Middle East, Israel routinely faces more criticism and condemnation at the United Nations than any other country, including those that systematically kill their citizens or deny them the most basic of human rights. Even today, both the General Assembly and Security Council continue to pass one-sided resolutions that single out and condemn the Jewish State. Additionally, an overwhelmingly powerful bloc led by the Arab nations promotes a narrow and slanderous agenda meant to isolate Israel that has met little resistance.
There is much more at those sites and many, many others -- if you cared to read them.

Back to you:
Israel is a rogue state in the international community and will eventually loose the support of even Christian Americans. See the close vote by the United Council of Churches or some other big Christian group to protest by disenvestment in Catapillar, Motorola, and Hewett-Packard, for their roles in apartheid technology, e.g. the armored Catapillar crushing of Rachel Corrie by IDF a few years back.
Okay.

It was the Presbyterian Church USA, since you didn't know. VERY many American Jews, like myself, OPPOSE the "settlements," which is what this vote was about; but it was still a bad way to express opposition to them. Here's a quote from the story in, again, today's Jerusalem Post:
“We believe that divestment campaigns such as this are misguided and counterproductive," said [Americans for Peace Now] President and CEO Debra DeLee. “By targeting Israel rather than the occupation, this divestment campaign creates the impression that PC (USA) is making common cause with historically virulently anti-Israel organizations and individuals, who are often not interested in Israeli security concerns or Palestinian behavior but in Israel’s destruction. Divestment campaigns such as this therefore raise very real and understandable worries about global anti-Semitism and the perception that the campaigns are not truly (or only) about Israeli policies but rather reflect a deep-seated hatred for and rejection of Israel."
That would appear to apply to your own approach, of course.

Here's another:
J Street President Jeremy Ben Ami called the possible divestment an "unproductive path." "I would say to the Church’s leaders as they again consider joining forces with the BDS Movement, that the Movement’s rhetoric and tactics are not only a distraction, but a genuine threat to conflict resolution. Even the limited divestment approach under consideration by PCUSA falls under the rubric of larger BDS efforts to place blame entirely on one side of the conflict. Such an approach encourages not reconciliation, but polarization. Further, too many in and around the BDS movement refuse to acknowledge either the legitimacy of Israel or the right of the Jewish people as well as the Palestinian people to a state," he said.
And of course that applies to your position as well. It's very apparent; your concern is not with the Occupation, nor with the plight of the Palestinians -- both of which I am concerned about myself, as are very many Jews, thus the long, LONG list of Jewish and Israeli PEACE organizations that are dedicated to ending the Occupation and to Palestinian rights, which I have posted before and which you dismissed.

Your agenda is explicit and clear. It is all about opposing the very existence of Israel, and takes the low-road route of slandering and defaming Judaism and the Jewish people in order to reach that end.

As for Rachel Corrie, the record is mixed, and the case remains controversial. Joshua Hammer, a writer for Mother Jones magazine -- hardly a knee-jerk Neocon publication -- opined that "the operators [of the bulldozers], peering out through narrow, double-glazed, bulletproof windows, their view obscured behind pistons and the giant scooper, might not have seen Corrie kneeling in front of them."

More to the point, that incident occurred more than nine years ago. Want a list of the Israelis who have been DELIBERATELY killed by terrorist attacks since then? It won't fit in one post here.

Oh, wait: I've already posted that list, and you ignored that too...

Like I keep saying, and you keep refusing to acknowledge, never mind actually comment upon: Terrorism, according to anti-Israel propagandists like yourself, apparently does not exist and is not to be mentioned. So much for honest, unbiased, "human-rights" concerns.

Let's see how you sum up:
Your adopted religious Israeli Zionist cohorts, Norm, are paranoid crazies now completely out of touch with reality as they very foolishly, like you, continue to do everything wrong in the way of reaching out to their Arab neighbors as good neighbors themselves. It's really in the religion's core to not be good neighbors, not share even God with others. You can't share God with others, you can't share anything material and that, my friend, is anti-social behavior embedded within the Jewish religion that fundamentalist Israelis will drive Israel into the ground with.
Predictably, again, we finish with another load of unsupported opinion and propaganda claims which are themselves "out of touch with reality" -- including slanderous and insulting claims about the Jewish religion itself, which we have already established that you know next to nothing about; not least because you continue to insist that the policies of the State of Israel are somehow determined by and are reflections of Jewish tradition and teachings.

Sorry, but statements like "It's really in the religion's core to not be good neighbors, not share even God with others" prove nothing but your own virulent hatred.

Marginally better; but you're still posting “inflammatory language, blanket generalizations, and uncivil remarks," not to mention wholly unsupported and unreferenced claims -- and, of course, you're still not addressing the information and logic in my own posts at all, merely ignoring them in favor of posting more propaganda.

Phfft.

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arielmessenger wrote:
Your adopted religious Israeli Zionist cohorts, Norm, are paranoid crazies now completely out of touch with reality as they very foolishly, like you, continue to do everything wrong in the way of reaching out to their Arab neighbors as good neighbors themselves. It's really in the religion's core to not be good neighbors, not share even God with others. You can't share God with others, you can't share anything material and that, my friend, is anti-social behavior embedded within the Jewish religion that fundamentalist Israelis will drive Israel into the ground with.


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It is fine to take issue with policies or practices of the State of Israel, or the Jewish Religion or subgroups of those who claim to be Jewish.

However, there is a difference between civil debate on these issues and some of the comments in this post.

Referring to Zionists as "paranoid crazies" is not particularly civil, and could be considered inflammatory. It is definitely insulting.

It is fine to say they are "acting wrongly" but without some specifics that is somewhat of a blanket statement. It is certainly uncivil to throw in pejorative words like "foolish" and especially to apply that to another forum member.


To imply that a member or even a religious group is incapable of being social or friendly is again a blanket statement, and insulting.




There are certainly some objective incidents and policies that could be part of this debate, and that you have alluded to, and that is fine. If you want to make the case that Israel is acting in an oppressive manner, that is fine.

But please remember this is a debate forum, not a platform for espousing miscellaneious opinions, judgments, or insults.




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micatala wrote:
arielmessenger wrote:
Your adopted religious Israeli Zionist cohorts, Norm, are paranoid crazies now completely out of touch with reality as they very foolishly, like you, continue to do everything wrong in the way of reaching out to their Arab neighbors as good neighbors themselves. It's really in the religion's core to not be good neighbors, not share even God with others. You can't share God with others, you can't share anything material and that, my friend, is anti-social behavior embedded within the Jewish religion that fundamentalist Israelis will drive Israel into the ground with.


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It is fine to take issue with policies or practices of the State of Israel, or the Jewish Religion or subgroups of those who claim to be Jewish.

However, there is a difference between civil debate on these issues and some of the comments in this post.

Referring to Zionists as "paranoid crazies" is not particularly civil, and could be considered inflammatory. It is definitely insulting.

You want me to not speak the truth so I won't offend people who are killing innocent people in order to act out their religious myths of origin. I'm sorry, but I won't do it. It's unethical. Zionism is based on paranoia, the paranoia of Judaism that always defines itself as a victim of Gentile persecution. Paranoia is consider "crazy" as it is not a psychologically healthy behavior pattern. Israelis act out paranoia that fears persecution by Gentile Arabs while forgetting the fact that Israelis are to these Gentile Arabs illegal foreign invaders and occupiers, just like Nazis were to all the countries they invaded and occupied. Do we condemn the French Resistance fighters? No, because they were Europeans. Do we Westerners condemn the Palestinian resistance fighters? Yes, because they are not Europeans but Arabs, lesser people with lesser human rights. This is what Norm as a Zionist shill wants us to believe because he needs to think his newly adopted religion is good but it isn't. Never was, never will be because it's core belief system is based on blanket racism, Jews good, all the rest of humankind bad, very much like white supremacy ideology. This evil ideology is acted out in modern Israel which is the core reason why Israel cannot get along with its neighbors. It doesn't have a neighborly theology but one of "take and take some more of other people's things and give nothing back. I tell you honestly that if your religion tells you you can't share God then right there you have the precedent for not sharing anything of worth with others.

It is fine to say they are "acting wrongly" but without some specifics that is somewhat of a blanket statement. It is certainly uncivil to throw in pejorative words like "foolish" and especially to apply that to another forum member.

If you tell us you continually burn your hand on the stove while trying to lift off a hot pan and ignore calls to use a pot-holder, is it not appropriate to say you are acting foolishly? Or do you want us to keep our mouths shut about warning people from dangerous or stupid actions? Continuing to flaunt settlement building in Palestinian faces by Israel is extreme foolishness that only harms chances for peaceful reconciliation in the future.


To imply that a member or even a religious group is incapable of being social or friendly is again a blanket statement, and insulting.

But it's the historical truth as scores of pogroms against Jewish communities over their entire existence proves to anyone not bamboozled by propaganda. Take a course in sociology and learn how human communities overcome tribal xenophobia by sharing food and marriage, both avenues forbidden by the anti-social theology of Judaism. How do you think the Cohen gene is still traceable after 3000 years if not for severe racial selection in the Jewish breeding program. Same thing with the diseases specific to Ashkenazim that prove the Ashkenazim Jewish converts could outdo the Sephardic Jews in racial purity. Only since the 1950's really have Jewish communities opened up to Gentiles and intermarriage. My Jewish girlfriend says her grandparents would have disowned her parents had they married Gentiles, i.e., it was a common view. Judaism is a racist religion and that's the honest truth which it seems cannot be truthfully told even though we will not hear any logical argument that disproves this. Certainly the efforts to point to Falasha Jews and Noahides and Jewish converts like Norm will not be able to mask the racial core of Judaism acted out in Israeli settlement building "For Jews Only".




There are certainly some objective incidents and policies that could be part of this debate, and that you have alluded to, and that is fine. If you want to make the case that Israel is acting in an oppressive manner, that is fine.

But please remember this is a debate forum, not a platform for espousing miscellaneious opinions, judgments, or insults.

I'm certainly not "espousing miscellaneious opinions, judgments, or insults" but am very specific in my targeting Judaism's racist core ideology. If we cannot criticize Abrahamic religions for what they teach and do, what exactly are we here for? Is schmoozing with each other any substitute for an examined subject of religion that doesn't shy away from hard observations even when they offend cherished religious beliefs.



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This too is hiding your censorship of ideas. You monitors want to pull your power trips and not be publicly exposed for doing so by members like me who hate self-selected editors of other people's beliefs. I am a prophesy bearer and it's in my job description to upset traditional theology. If you want to debase debate by limiting criticism so that no one is offended then there's only vapidness of repeated statements of faith by members, no serious challenges to ideas and no value as a community discussion forum. Be a mensch and stand up in public for monitor actions.

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Ah. So the pogroms and persecutions directed at Jews over the centuries prove that JEWS are evil, you expect genes to disappear, and no one was allowed to convert till recent times (never mind Ruth, et. al.).

Totally unresponsive, totally unsupported, and totally in the service of an agenda of vicious, vitriolic hatred. I see no point in trying to present actual FACTS again.

And in conclusion:

Phffft.

'Bye.

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You don't post facts, Norman, you post Zionist propaganda that you cut and paste from Zionist sources.

I post genetic facts about Ashkenazim genes that I can back up with my own Ashkenazim dna analysis that shows us Ashkenazim with minute traces of real Sephardic Jewish genes in us. Palestinian genes are Sephardic genes so when European Jewish converts descendants make a claim to be "Semites" and then pull their Orwellian 1984 Double-Speak by saying critics of European Jewry are "anti-Semitic" while these same Europeans are trouncing real Semitic peoples make a mockery of language as well as ethics.

Norm, I know you have nothing better to do than run defense for Judaism and Israel so there's a limit to how much I will post here, seeing no point in debating a frozen mindset stuck in a bad Abrahamic religion that sends people off to kill resisters to its lunacy of trying to enact ancient Jewish religious fables. Your forced by ego to defend it this lunacy but not me or anyone who reads the paper and can easily see Israelis are just plain greedos trying to steal every bit of Palestine away from Palestinians as the world will let them with folks like you urging this crime against humanity on.

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arielmessenger wrote:
Constantin made Christianity the Roman Empire's state religion.
Actually, Constantine merely legalized Christianity, ending the official persecution of Christians in 313. Theodosius (70 years later, in 380) effectively made Christianity the official religion of the Roman empire.

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