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NEW covenant of God with BOTH houses of yet-divided Israel

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cnorman18 wrote: Don’t come around here much any more -- I look in, but haven’t seen anything going on that I find at all interesting -- but I was tipped off to this post. Not much to say on this -- it’s nothing new either, but since I was invited, I thought I’d offer a short response and a correction or two.
Raimi Stranger wrote: [Replying to post 1 by cnorman18]
cnorman18 wrote: This is a reedited version of one of my first posts on this forum, from five years ago. I think it bears repeating.

A word before I begin:

This post is NOT an attack on Christianity; nor is this post an invitation to debate.
this is actually a debate forum, that is the rule here and stated clearly
First correction, from the forum rules posted as a sticky in every subforum here:

“The forum is in two main categories - the Debate category and the Discussion category. All debates belong in the debate category. .... All discussions belong in the discussion category. Any debates in the discussion subforums will either be moved or deleted.�

In other words: There are debate subfora, and there are discussion subfora. This is a discussion subforum.

Further: the guidelines to the Judaism forum explicitly state that the purpose of this subforum is “to discuss and debate Jewish topics and issues. This sub-forum assumes the ongoing validity of Judaism; anyone can post here, but it's not the place to discuss, for example, whether Christianity has supplanted Judaism or ought to.�

Seems clear enough to me. Whether or not you or anyone else considers Judaism to be true or valid is of no consequence. This isn’t the place to debate that subject. Period.
but you see [or don't] that what I am discussing is that the division of Judaism AND of Christianity PROVES that NETHER is the Truth of God ... and indeed the scriptures easily confirm that ... this is a worthy discussion point then that obviates your dogmatic approach ... indeed Jesus points out BUT CHRISTIANITY DOES NOT , nor does Judaism, that the scripture states that God does ALL the teaching, men can at best only persuade men to stop sinning so that God can teach them

this is then a WORTHY scriptural Truith of God wholly relevant to your very dogmatic approach, scripture even of the 'OT', the Torah and Prophets, shows you are mistaken, Jesus used only the Torah and Prophets to prove to many Jews as a Jew what God says...

surely that scripture is worthy of discussion here as it disproves all you claim here

and i do not doubt your dogmatic faith in Judaism nor question it, but simply wish to discuss your contradiction of the Torah and Prophets that you likely assume you respect ... for I know the scripture refutes Christian dogma too and have no desire to discuss that here any more than to state that my position is NOT mainline apostate Christianity at all , I do NOT accept their abuse of the scripture either, but rejecting their delusions does not justify yours ... so indeed by the overarching rule of the site, it is a matter of valid discussion , whatever you write here... this is a discussion site and you must therefore JUSTIFY what you say against the scripture you say you believe in BY RIGHT of using this site ...a DISCUSSION site, NOT a place for your preaching potentially-proselytising dogma without justification or discussion ... read all the site rules and understand the very spirit of this site is against unsupported [and indeed scripturally unsupportable] dogma

and there is GOOD REASON from God for that , God will do ALL the teaching of Israel Himself, NOT Jews, not even scripture, but SPIRIT ...

John 6:45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God

so READ Jeremiah and weep for the delusion of Israel by its hierarchy -Jer 31:30-34

then you may understand there is indeed value in discussion and no-one even can know God by written dogma...
,,,,and it is easily proven from scriptures accepted by BOTH Jews and Christians, that neither Judaism nor Christianity is of Jesus Christ... so you are mistaken at the onset and need reproof to scripture of God ...
First, that assumes that everyone agrees that something can be “proved from scriptures� (and BTW, quoting the NT to a Jew is rather like quoting the Baghavad-Gita to a Navajo. You might as well quote Moby Dick. It’s of no interest to us).
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Well you are scripturally mistaken at the outset then, as that is not the assumption at all, rather God Himself does teach all things HIMSELF to Israel's children [but they are not all Jews, most never were Jews -, never accepted Judaism - [but ALL are now forgiven Jer 31:30-34 who stop disobeying God with sin and turn to Love ]

Deuteronomy 28:64 And the LORD shall scatter thee among all people, from the one end of the earth even unto the other; and there thou shalt serve other gods, which neither thou nor thy fathers have known, even wood and stone.

note this is the House of Israel , not Jews accepting Judaism, and they continue in idol-worship until saints reach them and suggest trying Love of God instead... note that the idol-worshipping House of Israel is also forgiven - Jer 31:30-34, not just the Jews, and that they were and are] the majority of Israel, living as gentiles worldwide and scattered there long before the Jews ...
Second, who ever said that Judaism is “of Jesus Christ�?
well I didn't , but Jesus is indeed of the tribe of Judah, of the House of Judah and certainly is a Jew... though he reproached the Jewish authorities for their sisn against the Jews , notably the widows not being cared for and the dogmas of apostate Judaism applied unlovingly in detail whilst the over-arching requirement of Love by God was being ignored...
Third, whether or not Christianity is “of Jesus Christ� is of no interest to me or any other Jew (and, yes, on that matter as well as many others I CAN speak for all Jews).
well my friend, Jesus and all his early disciples are indeed Jews and express their disagreement to what you claim IN WRITING and revelation of God, so you are deeply mistaken there again... and indeed there are many [albeit mostly misguided] 'Messianic Jews' who tragically believe in the false image of Christ of Christianity, but they are demonstrably Jews and they do NOT agree with you, you do NOT speak for them...

so your claim is false, and it is truly the very basis of this site that EVERYONE speaks for THEMSELVES... you are NOT in a position to rightly assume that you speak for ANY other without first knowing them completely, and only God can give that knowledge which you already show you do not have... as is proven by your false claim, proven false above...
Finally, though your opinion may be that I am “mistaken,� that opinion is not necessarily a fact; and therefore I don’t think it’s your place to offer me or anyone else “reproof.� That implies an authority that you do not have and have no right to claim.
I offer you the authority of the scripture that you supposedly respect as a Judaist... NOT my authority but that of God which I simply convey to you in potential reproof by God, not by me...

so you are simply creating straw-men my friend , I never have claimed authority of myself, unlike you... who equally does not have it... so use your own words to question your own dogmatic statements against your own scripture and please reconsider using straw-men as discussion, it wastes everyone's time
Okay, I think that will do.
not even close my friend...
I read the rest of your post, and find little of interest in it.
you are not alone, very few indeed have any interest in having their dogma questioned by God's scriptures they pay only lip-service to ... but in fact the scriptures are given for reproof of such as you too :-

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

I'll close with a saying from the Talmud. When the sages of old disagreed and could find no way to reconcile their differences, they would often allow both rulings to stand as equally acceptable options in Jewish law. When asked how this was possible, it was said that "When Elijah comes, he will explain which of us was right--or why we both were."
do you think that excludes the possibility that they are both mistaken ? ... the Jewish scripture explains the apostasy of the Jewish hierarchy in detail and it is unsurprising that they do not teach those parts of it, but leave them out, even the new covenant with Israel which could hardly be more important, that God forgives all Israel who begin to obey His Law of Love, stop sinning against mankind and themselves... Jer 31:30-34 ... God will do the teaching, NOT MEN... but God cannot force any man to Love, Love must be given freely, so God cannot help any man who refuses God's Law of Love and continues to sin -e.g, Ezek 18:20-24
The REASON the rabbis took that position was simply that NONE OF THEM FELT QUALIFIED TO SPEAK FOR GOD. That rather elementary bit of humility seems to have escaped you.
I would NEVER speak for God, which is why I always , unlike you, use the scripture instead of pretending my words are authority as you do without humility you Love to give lip-service to ... why do you not apply your rules to your own words ? why do you hate the scripture so much that you decry it and claim I said it ?... it was written for you to, and long before I was even born... you 'shoot the messenger' of God's message, but my friend it is God who inspired the words of scripture I point out, NOT ME !
As many others have, you are clearly claiming here that BOTH Judaism, whatever that word means to you, and Christianity, are flatly wrong; and that YOU and ONLY YOU understand the Bible and the thoughts of God.
However "clear" that is to you, it is again a straw-man and I never said any such thing and you really cannot speak for me or anyone else, nor is there any need to do so... rather there is a GREAT NEED that you STOP speaking for others because you keep telling lies about what they say and believe, and it wastes everyone's time, false witness, a sin against God and men... so I require your apology and will easily forgive you if you repent and STOP doing it

I have NEVER claimed to be the ONLY one who understands scripture ... and you KNOW that , so lie even to yourself in writing it ...

and God has no thoughts, but the spirit is COMMITTED to revealing all Truth to Israel when any of Israel prepare themselves to receive all Truth [first all Truth about themselves, their hidden sins for instance] from God Himself :-

all YOU need to do to understand that to YOUR satisfaction is to read the scripture you claim to believe , the new covenant -Jer 31:30-34- not that much to read, not that much to ask that you SEE are NOT MY WORDS , but God's inspired words to ALL Israel, both Jews and the lost sheep of the House of Israel of YOUR accepted scripture
Seen it before. Not interested. Have a nice day.
simply denial of scripture of God my friend , but you are not alone ... not by a long measure of God against all corrupted creeds of the false authority of men against God's own scriptures... that is why the new covenant offers teaching by God Himself, not men :-

Jeremiah, prophet of God 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

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Raimi Stranger wrote:
otseng wrote:
Raimi Stranger wrote: this is actually a debate forum, that is the rule here and stated clearly
The purpose of the Judaism subforum is not to debate.

See here:
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... hp?t=11497
. . . is to discuss and debate Jewish topics and issues. This sub-forum assumes the ongoing validity of Judaism; anyone can post here, but it's not the place to discuss, for example, whether Christianity has supplanted Judaism or ought to.
If you want to debate, please start a thread in a debate subforum.
which part of :
" discuss and debate Jewish topics and issues"
did you not understand applies here according to the rules ?

equally the whole point and spirit of this site is OPEN discussion and debate of ALL aspects of religion and Christianity

that is the very NAME of this site ... and the point is that religion, even of Jews, is DIVIDED , so clearly is not the ONE Truth of the ONE God f all men... so obviously men will not REPROVE to scripture without some discussion...

this site is AGAINST dogmatism of religion because religion is divided and thus PROVES it is false... BOTH Christianity AND Judaism.... BOTH !

but the scripture TAKEN AS A WHOLE defeats ALL religious traditions of sinners and offers the PROOF by spirit baptism , Truth from God Himself, INCORRUPTIBLE PROOF , unlike religious tradition of men...
I have never commented before on someone being new to the forum, but I can't help but be amused you are lecturing the site owner on both the rules and the purpose of the forum. That you go on to accuse others of being 'dogmatic' shows an astounding lack of self awareness.

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I have no idea how one would 'question the validity' of a religion , but I guess you have...
but anyway i did not do that because4 I have no idea how to, all I pointed out is that Jews of Judaism often say they respect the Torah and Prophets but deny the new covenant which is part of the prophets... that is not my questioning tgheir validity, it is God saying long before I was born that they are simply wrong , indeed He said that too , explicitly in their own scriptures

so please make your complaint to God if you do not believe him, I have NOT broken any of your rules, your judgement ythat I have is simply YOUR mistake in understanding your own rules.... I only pointed out what He says ... it is NOT my fault what was written long before I was born and you must be very blind if you think I made it up myself , you can read it for yourself and even discuss it as the site says it is for discussion of God's words...

but threatening and persecuting me will not change what God has had written long ago ... and it is NOT ME challenging Judaism, I would not have the temerity to do so, but God is not daunted by you or anyone in His words condemning the house of Judah in scripture for disobeying Him, not me...

shooting the messenger does not change the message ...and the rules I have read and re-read, but none of them say I am responsible for what God had written long before I was born, and the site says it is about OPEN DISCUSSION and debate of Christianity and other religions... that is all I want to do , DISCUSS ... but now you threaten me , who do you think you are ? God ? .... you want to gag discussion of what God says by threatening folks with abuse and yet also claim the site is for open discussion.... you are a very confused person.... and not a fair judge , nr is this place as friendly as it claims, but downright hostile and aggressive and uncivil and now unjust too...,let alone that this is not the time for judgement and God requires only saints to judge others.... so judge yourself first else be sure you will be judged by God ...not by me ... and in case you ALSO think that is MY advice, not God's :-

1 Corinthians 11:31 For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.

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hELLO My name is reX and I am VERY Interested in your GREAT Topic.

I Disagree with You ON Almost MOST Points that You Make.

but that is OK and a normal and GOOD thing. Maybe there are things You can Teach me. Maybe You would like to Understand more about what I have Read in the Torah ?

Will You allow me to Present my IDEA ?

For instance the Old Testament DOES Teach the IDEA of an Afterlife

FOr eXample

DA 12:1 At that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

And many of them that SLEEP in the dust of the earth shall awake,

JOB 14:12 So man lieth down, and riseth not: till the heavens be no more, they shall not awake, nor be raised out of their SLEEP.

13 O that thou wouldest hide me in the grave, that thou wouldest keep me
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[font=Arial][font=Comic Sans MS]Also I would Like to see the RETURN of the Levite Priesthood .. WHO Offered DAILY Sacrifices and Blood Atonement for SINS.

There is not a jEWISH Group ( * KNOWN ) Today. anywhere on the Planet.

Who Are following the Priestly Sacrifice, No Priests ( Whom I Know OF )) -

jEWS don't even SACRIFICE any more., They Don't Have any Priests Offering Sacrifices and Sprinkling Blood Atonement . Offerings.

I am Sad because we DONT EVEN have a TEMPLE !

With An Altar - for Daily Sacrifices and Atonement. There is jUST not Enough of Us

But I jUST don't see any interest in the jEWISH Community to REBUILD The Temple and inner HOLY - Sanctuary ...

I Am a Defender of Israel and All jEWS . .WORLDWIDE.

Do You know What the Torah is about.

And what the Law of Moses is about.

Please eXplain to me. Where I am IN >....ERROR...... ?
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crexyourfiction wrote: hELLO My name is reX and I am VERY Interested in your GREAT Topic.

I Disagree with You ON Almost MOST Points that You Make.

but that is OK and a normal and GOOD thing. Maybe there are things You can Teach me. Maybe You would like to Understand more about what I have Read in the Torah ?
To be honest, I’m not hugely interested, no.

The first thing YOU should know is that the Torah is not the same as the “Old Testament,� and neither the Torah nor Tanakh is today the center of, or the “ultimate authority� in, the Jewish religion. That has not been true for many centuries, if it ever was at all. Judaism has changed, and has changed a LOT, since the first century CE.

Here’s another basic principle: You don’t get to pronounce judgment on this religion, nor declare it to be false or wrong in any way, especially on this subforum. You can disagree with it all you like, but don’t go telling Jews that we’re doing it wrong, because you have no right or authority to say that or anything like it.
Will You allow me to Present my IDEA ?

For instance the Old Testament DOES Teach the IDEA of an Afterlife

FOr eXample

DA 12:1 At that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

And many of them that SLEEP in the dust of the earth shall awake,

JOB 14:12 So man lieth down, and riseth not: till the heavens be no more, they shall not awake, nor be raised out of their SLEEP.

13 O that thou wouldest hide me in the grave, that thou wouldest keep me
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I never said that the “afterlife� was not mentioned in the “Old Testament.� I said it wasn’t mentioned in the Torah, and it isn’t.
Also I would Like to see the RETURN of the Levite Priesthood .. WHO Offered DAILY Sacrifices and Blood Atonement for SINS.

There is not a jEWISH Group ( * KNOWN ) Today. anywhere on the Planet.

Who Are following the Priestly Sacrifice, No Priests ( Whom I Know OF )) -

jEWS don't even SACRIFICE any more., They Don't Have any Priests Offering Sacrifices and Sprinkling Blood Atonement . Offerings.

I am Sad because we DONT EVEN have a TEMPLE !

With An Altar - for Daily Sacrifices and Atonement.
Um, that’s why there are no daily sacrifices, and why the Levite priesthood no loner has any regular or dominant role in Jewish worship. That isn’t something that we Jews just decided to abandon; it was decided for us, when the Temple was destroyed by the Romans and the Jews were dispersed throughout the world. The religion evolved and changed because it had to. The choice was to follow a Judaism that did not involve a Temple, or to have no Jewish religion at all. There were no other alternatives, no matter how much you wish there were.

Sorry if you don’t like it, but that’s the failing of many who want “religion� to follow their own preconceptions about what a “religion� ought to be; they fail to deal with the world as it actually is, as opposed to what they think it OUGHT to be.
There is jUST not Enough of Us
“Us�?

Are you Jewish? By what standard? There is one, you know. You don’t just get to claim to be Jewish because you want to be. That is NO ONE’S privilege.

But I jUST don't see any interest in the jEWISH Community to REBUILD The Temple and inner HOLY - Sanctuary ...
Some Orthodox are interested in building a third Temple. They’ve even got the implements prepared, and Levite boys who have been kept ritually pure from birth, presumably in order to serve as priests. The rest of us -- enh. The Jewish religion, as I say, has evolved since the First Century, and we no longer need or want a Temple. If you disagree, that’s your privilege, but that isn’t likely to change. As my own rabbi put it: “Who wants a holy slaughterhouse in the middle of downtown Jerusalem?�

I Am a Defender of Israel and All jEWS . .WORLDWIDE.

Do You know What the Torah is about.

And what the Law of Moses is about.
Oh, I think so; but please feel free to tell me what you think.

Please eXplain to me. Where I am IN >....ERROR...... ?
I think I've made a beginning in that regard -- IN MY OPINION, that is. We each have our own. None are "official," but on these matters I do claim to speak for all Jews, since I have known none -- as in, NONE -- who disagree on these things.

By the way, I did deliberately delete your typeface changes. Some of us find such things distracting. We're all equals here, no one gets special privileges, and there's no need to shout, so to speak.

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[font=Arial] Yes You are Right about it.

First Of All. I am a jEW, By Blood. My Mother WAS jEWISH.

Second of all . I DO understand What You are telling me...

It would be So hard to set up a Polygamous Levite Priesthood. / To begin Stoning for Blood Crimes. Such as Sodomy, Beastality and Adultery and Rape. ECT...

A Slaughterhouse in Jerusalem, would be Dangerous distraction from the defense, - of the State of Israel.

jEWS, - Have to be on alert, every moment of every day. They have to adapt their daily life to a defense type mentality. Even women MUST jOIN the Military.

MANDATORY. there are so many, many things, - that people are not seeing, Even Like Myself.

You have opened my eyes a little more, of the FACTS on the Ground and I am thankful for that.

My interest is not to jUDGE You or Other Fellow jEWS and Push them into Submitting to the Old Testament. Or Make them feel bad or anything.

jEWS are doing wonderful and I am Glad they are happy, jUST the Way they are.

But HONESTLY, my DESIRE is to Allow those Who wish to Follow the RELIGIOUS Practices of the Old Testament, TO DO SO. In FREEDOM.

So, - when we see OTHER ( Gentile ) - people around the Planet, saying things like

( jUDAISM... is one of the Great Religions - They Don't Understand that Judaism has no HISTORICAL Past.....
There is no such a Term or IDEA as jUDAISM... ANYWHERE , in the Torah/

The Torah, does not KOWN anything about jUDAISM... And YOU and MANY Like YOU ]....................Simply have no Torah for Your Faith .....

There is no SUCH a Thing as jUDAISM... Found anywhere on the Planet, TRULLY - it DOES not eXist.

This is not an INSULT... it is not Your Fault. or anything BAD about You.
I have a lot to Learn From You. and I love Talking to You.

BUT ,...see...

Abraham Knew Nothing of jUDAISM, None of the Prophets Spoke of the TERM jUDAISM. ALSO What, - PRE Christ Historical Writings / Tell us about a Religion CALLED jUDAISM ?

jUDAISM is a Modern, Liberal, Flakey Label that has been used to Either Describe an Historical Past, LONG Ago and Far, Far away.

OR jUDAISM is A MODERN Label that jEWS TODAY, Pull out of their Head, to Reformulate and RE Design and RE CREATE Portions of the of the Bible they Probably would Love to Follow.

But they are not allowed to follow the Bible and Law and Scriptures. SO....They Would Not be Accepted by the Gentile World.

They Call the Portions they can Follow and Teach.. a Modern TERM, Called jUDAISM...

Where, is it - in History ?. that You FIND jEWS. INVENTING and USING the Term jUDAISM. Don't YOU Think. that jUDAISM was probably a Gentile invented Label, Pushed on jEWS, Trying to Follow the God of the Scriptures ?

I would say, This is True. There is no History of jEWISH writers, Calling their Religion jUDAISM . WHO KNOWS ? Maybe the jEWS Did INVENT the Word or TERM, called jUDAISM.

WHO KNOWs ? Maybe the jEWS and Gentiles . Did it All TOGETHER ?

jUDAISM... is ... What the Gentile world, will ALLOW jEWS to Practice, and nothing more.

If jEWS Were to follow the Law of Moses. I believe that You and the Majority of the Planet would Criminalize them for doing so.

My FOCUS is simply....a question . Do You and Others, TRULLy Like the God of the Bible ?

If Abraham and Jacob or MOSES ...were to return back to Israel TODAY, with their MULTIPLE Wives and Many POLYGAMOUS Wrought Children.

Began stoning for adultery and other BLOOD CRIMES
Begin Sacrificing ........and putting SIN out of Israel.

I believe that Many jEWS and Most of the World, - PRETEND to Admire and CONNECT and Believe in the God of Abraham.

They Would Hate Abraham, jACOB and Moses, and ALL of the Prophets.

I don't wish to INSULT anyone. jUST Present the FACTS, and not Live in a pretend Fantasy world.

That's all. There is nothing Wrong with jUDAISM or with You. I love You and am glad to communicate With You. But don't Bann me because I tell You what I see.
Please. Visit my WEBSITE http://rexorator.nfshost.com

Thank YOU...... So much. May Israel be Blessed forever.
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[font=Arial]There is a Polygamous Family from the MAN Called Judah.

The Son, of the Polygamous Jacob. .. This Family is Called jUDAH...

They have A Family tree Going up to jESUS Christ....

The the Other Polygamous Families of the Sons of of jACOB.. . Were Blended into the Dominate Tribe and Seed of jUDAH...

I don't Know why jEWS are Pretending to Like or Connect or Admire .

Abraham and jACOB and jUDAH ? I truly don't Understand.


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The term "Judaism" is hardly a "modern" word. It has been around since at least the first century of the common era, i.e. more than two thousand years. It can be found in the second book of Maccabees from that period -- specifically, chapter 2, verse 21, and chapter 8, verse 1.

If there is "no such a thing as Judaism," there is no such thing as a Jew. The terms are related, you know. Once again; things don't have the same meaning as they did two thousand years ago, and that is just the way it is.

By the way -- there is no evidence that the courts of the ancient Kingdom of Israel EVER stoned ANYONE to death for "blood crimes," as you call them. Maybe you should learn a little something about the Jewish religion and Jewish history before spouting your -- er, opinions -- about it.

I don't have time for this. Have a nice day.

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