Question about Christianity and my church

[The Ex-Mormon]

Mitt Romney is running for President. He is a member of the CoJCoLDS. Also I belong to this church. I have noticed that many Christians hate my church. Why? We are Christians as they are. We believe in Jesus Christ and the Bible as the word of God, like they do it. Why do they hate us?

[revelationtestament]

Mitt Romney is running for President. He is a member of the CoJCoLDS. Also I belong to this church. I have noticed that many Christians hate my church. Why? We are Christians as they are. We believe in Jesus Christ and the Bible as the word of God, like they do it. Why do they hate us?

From the political side, I can only laugh when a Christian says they can't vote for Romney. The only rational alternative is to vote for Obama, who has done more to oppose Christianity than any other president.

On the side of religion. I cannot speak for others, but I am under the understanding that what Mormon's believe that Christ was formerly Michael the Archangel, and was not resurrected to pay the full price for our sins.

Please respond and let me know if what I have been taught is aligned with what Mormons are taught.

No, the part about Michael is not an actual teaching or doctrine and has been covered up for a while now by the General Authorities.

LDS believe Jesus was resurrected.

What has Obama done against the Christian community? I think he has left y'all alone.

No one knows what they are talking about here.
Doctrine and Covenants 107:54 expressly says Michael, the archangel, is Adam. D & C says this in more than one place. It has never been covered up. Nickman, you don't know what you were supposed to believe.

[revelationtestament]

Everything no Christian authors. All scientist and historians. Admit it: Your church is a lie!

Science will never prove or disprove the existence of God or any spiritual truth for that matter - it cannot.

[Nickman]

Mitt Romney is running for President. He is a member of the CoJCoLDS. Also I belong to this church. I have noticed that many Christians hate my church. Why? We are Christians as they are. We believe in Jesus Christ and the Bible as the word of God, like they do it. Why do they hate us?

From the political side, I can only laugh when a Christian says they can't vote for Romney. The only rational alternative is to vote for Obama, who has done more to oppose Christianity than any other president.

On the side of religion. I cannot speak for others, but I am under the understanding that what Mormon's believe that Christ was formerly Michael the Archangel, and was not resurrected to pay the full price for our sins.

Please respond and let me know if what I have been taught is aligned with what Mormons are taught.

No, the part about Michael is not an actual teaching or doctrine and has been covered up for a while now by the General Authorities.

LDS believe Jesus was resurrected.

What has Obama done against the Christian community? I think he has left y'all alone.

No one knows what they are talking about here.
Doctrine and Covenants 107:54 expressly says Michael, the archangel, is Adam. D & C says this in more than one place. It has never been covered up. Nickman, you don't know what you were supposed to believe.

It does say in D&C 107 that Michael is Adam but it is not taught. Polygamy is also taught in D&C yet it is not a doctrine anymore. It is not taught, as it once was, as a real doctrine which is from god and to be practiced on earth. The LDS church hides the parts of itself that are not mainstream to Christianity. Ask anyone who has ever went through the discussions, or anyone who is outside of the church and they know nothing about it.

[revelationtestament]

Mitt Romney is running for President. He is a member of the CoJCoLDS. Also I belong to this church. I have noticed that many Christians hate my church. Why? We are Christians as they are. We believe in Jesus Christ and the Bible as the word of God, like they do it. Why do they hate us?

From the political side, I can only laugh when a Christian says they can't vote for Romney. The only rational alternative is to vote for Obama, who has done more to oppose Christianity than any other president.

On the side of religion. I cannot speak for others, but I am under the understanding that what Mormon's believe that Christ was formerly Michael the Archangel, and was not resurrected to pay the full price for our sins.

Please respond and let me know if what I have been taught is aligned with what Mormons are taught.

No, the part about Michael is not an actual teaching or doctrine and has been covered up for a while now by the General Authorities.

LDS believe Jesus was resurrected.

What has Obama done against the Christian community? I think he has left y'all alone.

No one knows what they are talking about here.
Doctrine and Covenants 107:54 expressly says Michael, the archangel, is Adam. D & C says this in more than one place. It has never been covered up. Nickman, you don't know what you were supposed to believe.

It does say in D&C 107 that Michael is Adam but it is not taught. Polygamy is also taught in D&C yet it is not a doctrine anymore. It is not taught, as it once was, as a real doctrine which is from god and to be practiced on earth. The LDS church hides the parts of itself that are not mainstream to Christianity. Ask anyone who has ever went through the discussions, or anyone who is outside of the church and they know nothing about it.

It is taught. I learned it Sunday School. Did you go to Sunday School? As for polygamy, it is taught that it is not practiced anymore. I do not believe it is essential to our salvation or to be glorified. Only marriage has this condition. You can quote BY, as I am sure you will, but D&C says ONLY that the covenant of marriage is necessary to enter the everlasting covenant.

[Nickman]

Mitt Romney is running for President. He is a member of the CoJCoLDS. Also I belong to this church. I have noticed that many Christians hate my church. Why? We are Christians as they are. We believe in Jesus Christ and the Bible as the word of God, like they do it. Why do they hate us?

From the political side, I can only laugh when a Christian says they can't vote for Romney. The only rational alternative is to vote for Obama, who has done more to oppose Christianity than any other president.

On the side of religion. I cannot speak for others, but I am under the understanding that what Mormon's believe that Christ was formerly Michael the Archangel, and was not resurrected to pay the full price for our sins.

Please respond and let me know if what I have been taught is aligned with what Mormons are taught.

No, the part about Michael is not an actual teaching or doctrine and has been covered up for a while now by the General Authorities.

LDS believe Jesus was resurrected.

What has Obama done against the Christian community? I think he has left y'all alone.

No one knows what they are talking about here.
Doctrine and Covenants 107:54 expressly says Michael, the archangel, is Adam. D & C says this in more than one place. It has never been covered up. Nickman, you don't know what you were supposed to believe.

It does say in D&C 107 that Michael is Adam but it is not taught. Polygamy is also taught in D&C yet it is not a doctrine anymore. It is not taught, as it once was, as a real doctrine which is from god and to be practiced on earth. The LDS church hides the parts of itself that are not mainstream to Christianity. Ask anyone who has ever went through the discussions, or anyone who is outside of the church and they know nothing about it.

It is taught. I learned it Sunday School. Did you go to Sunday School? As for polygamy, it is taught that it is not practiced anymore. I do not believe it is essential to our salvation or to be glorified. Only marriage has this condition. You can quote BY, as I am sure you will, but D&C says ONLY that the covenant of marriage is necessary to enter the everlasting covenant.

First you seem to be young in the church. Ask Dianiaiad if polygamy is actually a commandment given to Emma Smith. You are only looking at the current standard works in their current form. Look at the 1830 version. Just don't look at an LDS website cause they have taken it out.

“David also received many wives and concubines, and also Solomon and Moses my servants, as also many others of my servants, from the beginning of creation until this time; and in nothing did they sin save in those things which they received not of me. David’s wives and concubines were given unto him of me, by the hand of Nathan, my servant, and others of the prophets who had the keys of this power; and in none of these things did he sin against me save in the case of Uriah and his wife; and, therefore he hath fallen from his exaltation, and received his portion; and he shall not inherit them out of the world, for I gave them unto another, saith the Lord� (Doctrine and Covenants 132:38-39).

And let mine handmaid, Emma Smith, receive all those that have been given unto my servant Joseph, and who are virtuous and pure before me; and those who are not pure, and have said they were pure, shall be destroyed, saith the Lord God. For I am the Lord thy God, and ye shall obey my voice; and I give unto my servant Joseph that he shall be made ruler over many things; for he hath been faithful over a few things, and from henceforth I will strengthen him.

And I command mine handmaid, Emma Smith, to abide and cleave unto my servant Joseph, and to none else. But if she will not abide this commandment she shall be destroyed, saith the Lord; for I am the Lord thy God, and will destroy her if she abide not in my law. But if she will not abide this commandment, then shall my servant Joseph do all things for her, even as he hath said; and I will bless him and multiply him and give unto him an hundredfold in this world, of fathers and mothers, brothers and sisters, houses and lands, wives and children, and crowns of eternal lives in the eternal worlds. And again, verily I say, let mine handmaid forgive my servant Joseph his trespasses; and then shall she be forgiven her trespasses, wherein she has trespassed against me; and I, the Lord thy God, will bless her, and multiply her, and make her heart to rejoice.

Let no one, therefore, set on my servant Joseph; for I will justify him; for he shall do the sacrifice which I require at his hands for his transgressions, saith the Lord your God. And again, as pertaining to the law of the priesthood—if any man espouse a virgin, and desire to espouse another, and the first give her consent, and if he espouse the second, and they are virgins, and have vowed to no other man, then is he justified; he cannot commit adultery for they are given unto him; for he cannot commit adultery with that that belongeth unto him and to no one else. And if he have ten virgins given unto him by this law, he cannot commit adultery, for they belong to him, and they are given unto him; therefore is he justified. But if one or either of the ten virgins, after she is espoused, shall be with another man, she has committed adultery, and shall be destroyed; for they are given unto him to multiply and replenish the earth, according to my commandment, and to fulfil the promise which was given by my Father before the foundation of the world, and for their exaltation in the eternal worlds, that they may bear the souls of men; for herein is the work of my Father continued, that he may be glorified.

[revelationtestament]

Mitt Romney is running for President. He is a member of the CoJCoLDS. Also I belong to this church. I have noticed that many Christians hate my church. Why? We are Christians as they are. We believe in Jesus Christ and the Bible as the word of God, like they do it. Why do they hate us?

From the political side, I can only laugh when a Christian says they can't vote for Romney. The only rational alternative is to vote for Obama, who has done more to oppose Christianity than any other president.

On the side of religion. I cannot speak for others, but I am under the understanding that what Mormon's believe that Christ was formerly Michael the Archangel, and was not resurrected to pay the full price for our sins.

Please respond and let me know if what I have been taught is aligned with what Mormons are taught.

No, the part about Michael is not an actual teaching or doctrine and has been covered up for a while now by the General Authorities.

LDS believe Jesus was resurrected.

What has Obama done against the Christian community? I think he has left y'all alone.

No one knows what they are talking about here.
Doctrine and Covenants 107:54 expressly says Michael, the archangel, is Adam. D & C says this in more than one place. It has never been covered up. Nickman, you don't know what you were supposed to believe.

It does say in D&C 107 that Michael is Adam but it is not taught. Polygamy is also taught in D&C yet it is not a doctrine anymore. It is not taught, as it once was, as a real doctrine which is from god and to be practiced on earth. The LDS church hides the parts of itself that are not mainstream to Christianity. Ask anyone who has ever went through the discussions, or anyone who is outside of the church and they know nothing about it.

It is taught. I learned it Sunday School. Did you go to Sunday School? As for polygamy, it is taught that it is not practiced anymore. I do not believe it is essential to our salvation or to be glorified. Only marriage has this condition. You can quote BY, as I am sure you will, but D&C says ONLY that the covenant of marriage is necessary to enter the everlasting covenant.

First you seem to be young in the church. Ask Dianiaiad if polygamy is actually a commandment given to Emma Smith. You are only looking at the current standard works in their current form. Look at the 1830 version. Just don't look at an LDS website cause they have taken it out.

“David also received many wives and concubines, and also Solomon and Moses my servants, as also many others of my servants, from the beginning of creation until this time; and in nothing did they sin save in those things which they received not of me. David’s wives and concubines were given unto him of me, by the hand of Nathan, my servant, and others of the prophets who had the keys of this power; and in none of these things did he sin against me save in the case of Uriah and his wife; and, therefore he hath fallen from his exaltation, and received his portion; and he shall not inherit them out of the world, for I gave them unto another, saith the Lord� (Doctrine and Covenants 132:38-39).

And let mine handmaid, Emma Smith, receive all those that have been given unto my servant Joseph, and who are virtuous and pure before me; and those who are not pure, and have said they were pure, shall be destroyed, saith the Lord God. For I am the Lord thy God, and ye shall obey my voice; and I give unto my servant Joseph that he shall be made ruler over many things; for he hath been faithful over a few things, and from henceforth I will strengthen him.

And I command mine handmaid, Emma Smith, to abide and cleave unto my servant Joseph, and to none else. But if she will not abide this commandment she shall be destroyed, saith the Lord; for I am the Lord thy God, and will destroy her if she abide not in my law. But if she will not abide this commandment, then shall my servant Joseph do all things for her, even as he hath said; and I will bless him and multiply him and give unto him an hundredfold in this world, of fathers and mothers, brothers and sisters, houses and lands, wives and children, and crowns of eternal lives in the eternal worlds. And again, verily I say, let mine handmaid forgive my servant Joseph his trespasses; and then shall she be forgiven her trespasses, wherein she has trespassed against me; and I, the Lord thy God, will bless her, and multiply her, and make her heart to rejoice.

Let no one, therefore, set on my servant Joseph; for I will justify him; for he shall do the sacrifice which I require at his hands for his transgressions, saith the Lord your God. And again, as pertaining to the law of the priesthood—if any man espouse a virgin, and desire to espouse another, and the first give her consent, and if he espouse the second, and they are virgins, and have vowed to no other man, then is he justified; he cannot commit adultery for they are given unto him; for he cannot commit adultery with that that belongeth unto him and to no one else. And if he have ten virgins given unto him by this law, he cannot commit adultery, for they belong to him, and they are given unto him; therefore is he justified. But if one or either of the ten virgins, after she is espoused, shall be with another man, she has committed adultery, and shall be destroyed; for they are given unto him to multiply and replenish the earth, according to my commandment, and to fulfil the promise which was given by my Father before the foundation of the world, and for their exaltation in the eternal worlds, that they may bear the souls of men; for herein is the work of my Father continued, that he may be glorified.

Where does it say that a man has to take a second virgin to enter the covenant? It's not there Nickman - like I said.

[Nickman]

@RT
Here is the heading written by your church for D&C 132
Revelation given through Joseph Smith the Prophet, at Nauvoo, Illinois, recorded 12 July 1843, relating to the new and everlasting covenant, including the eternity of the marriage covenant, and also the plurality of wives (see History of the Church, 5:501–7). Although the revelation was recorded in 1843, it is evident from the historical records that the doctrines and principles involved in this revelation had been known by the Prophet since 1831.

Here is the text

58 Now, as touching the law of the priesthood, there are many things pertaining thereunto.

59 Verily, if a man be called of my Father, as was Aaron, by mine own voice, and by the voice of him that sent me, and I have endowed him with the keys of the power of this priesthood, if he do anything in my name, and according to my law and by my word, he will not commit sin, and I will justify him.

60 Let no one, therefore, set on my servant Joseph; for I will justify him; for he shall do the sacrifice which I require at his hands for his transgressions, saith the Lord your God.

61 And again, as pertaining to the law of the priesthood—if any man espouse a virgin, and desire to espouse another, and the first give her consent, and if he espouse the second, and they are virgins, and have vowed to no other man, then is he justified; he cannot commit adultery for they are given unto him; for he cannot commit adultery with that that belongeth unto him and to no one else.

62 And if he have ten virgins given unto him by this law, he cannot commit adultery, for they belong to him, and they are given unto him; therefore is he justified.

63 But if one or either of the ten virgins, after she is espoused, shall be with another man, she has committed adultery, and shall be destroyed; for they are given unto him to amultiply and replenish the earth, according to my commandment, and to fulfil the promise which was given by my Father before the foundation of the world, and for their exaltation in the eternal worlds, that they may bear the souls of men; for herein is the work of my Father continued, that he may be bglorified.

64 And again, verily, verily, I say unto you, if any man have a wife, who holds the keys of this power, and he teaches unto her the law of my priesthood, as pertaining to these things, then shall she believe and administer unto him, or she shall be destroyed, saith the Lord your God; for I will destroy her; for I will magnify my name upon all those who receive and abide in my law.

65 Therefore, it shall be lawful in me, if she receive not this law, for him to receive all things whatsoever I, the Lord his God, will give unto him, because she did not believe and administer unto him according to my word; and she then becomes the transgressor; and he is exempt from the law of Sarah, who administered unto Abraham according to the law when I commanded Abraham to take aHagar to wife.

66 And now, as pertaining to this law, verily, verily, I say unto you, I will reveal more unto you, hereafter; therefore, let this suffice for the present. Behold, I am Alpha and Omega. Amen.

The law of the priesthood is that plural marriage is a command and if the wife doesn't like it then she is wrong. She must be submissive to this law. It is all in there. Why did people practice polygamy in the church and why did numerous presidents (prophets) proclaim it as commandment for progression?

[revelationtestament]

@RT
Here is the heading written by your church for D&C 132
Revelation given through Joseph Smith the Prophet, at Nauvoo, Illinois, recorded 12 July 1843, relating to the new and everlasting covenant, including the eternity of the marriage covenant, and also the plurality of wives (see History of the Church, 5:501–7). Although the revelation was recorded in 1843, it is evident from the historical records that the doctrines and principles involved in this revelation had been known by the Prophet since 1831.

Here is the text

58 Now, as touching the law of the priesthood, there are many things pertaining thereunto.

59 Verily, if a man be called of my Father, as was Aaron, by mine own voice, and by the voice of him that sent me, and I have endowed him with the keys of the power of this priesthood, if he do anything in my name, and according to my law and by my word, he will not commit sin, and I will justify him.

60 Let no one, therefore, set on my servant Joseph; for I will justify him; for he shall do the sacrifice which I require at his hands for his transgressions, saith the Lord your God.

61 And again, as pertaining to the law of the priesthood—if any man espouse a virgin, and desire to espouse another, and the first give her consent, and if he espouse the second, and they are virgins, and have vowed to no other man, then is he justified; he cannot commit adultery for they are given unto him; for he cannot commit adultery with that that belongeth unto him and to no one else.

62 And if he have ten virgins given unto him by this law, he cannot commit adultery, for they belong to him, and they are given unto him; therefore is he justified.

63 But if one or either of the ten virgins, after she is espoused, shall be with another man, she has committed adultery, and shall be destroyed; for they are given unto him to amultiply and replenish the earth, according to my commandment, and to fulfil the promise which was given by my Father before the foundation of the world, and for their exaltation in the eternal worlds, that they may bear the souls of men; for herein is the work of my Father continued, that he may be bglorified.

64 And again, verily, verily, I say unto you, if any man have a wife, who holds the keys of this power, and he teaches unto her the law of my priesthood, as pertaining to these things, then shall she believe and administer unto him, or she shall be destroyed, saith the Lord your God; for I will destroy her; for I will magnify my name upon all those who receive and abide in my law.

65 Therefore, it shall be lawful in me, if she receive not this law, for him to receive all things whatsoever I, the Lord his God, will give unto him, because she did not believe and administer unto him according to my word; and she then becomes the transgressor; and he is exempt from the law of Sarah, who administered unto Abraham according to the law when I commanded Abraham to take aHagar to wife.

66 And now, as pertaining to this law, verily, verily, I say unto you, I will reveal more unto you, hereafter; therefore, let this suffice for the present. Behold, I am Alpha and Omega. Amen.

The law of the priesthood is that plural marriage is a command and if the wife doesn't like it then she is wrong. She must be submissive to this law. It is all in there. Why did people practice polygamy in the church and why did numerous presidents (prophets) proclaim it as commandment for progression?

You are not getting it. There is NO WHERE in the text any command that a man into a plural marriage in order to enter the covenant.
19 And again, verily I say unto you, if a man marry a wife by my word, which is my law, and by the new and everlasting covenant, and it is sealed unto them by the Holy Spirit of promise, by him who is anointed, unto whom I have appointed this power and the keys of this priesthood; and it shall be said unto them—Ye shall come forth in the first resurrection; and if it be after the first resurrection, in the next resurrection; and shall inherit thrones, kingdoms, principalities, and powers, dominions, all heights and depths—then shall it be written in the Lamb’s Book of Life, that he shall commit no murder whereby to shed innocent blood, and if ye abide in my covenant, and commit no murder whereby to shed innocent blood, it shall be done unto them in all things whatsoever my servant hath put upon them, in time, and through all eternity; and shall be of full force when they are out of the world; and they shall pass by the angels, and the gods, which are set there, to their exaltation and glory in all things, as hath been sealed upon their heads, which glory shall be a fulness and a continuation of the seeds forever and ever.

Not there. Only had to enter the covenant of marriage with at least one wife. That's the law the LORD gave.

[Nickman]

@RT
Here is the heading written by your church for D&C 132
Revelation given through Joseph Smith the Prophet, at Nauvoo, Illinois, recorded 12 July 1843, relating to the new and everlasting covenant, including the eternity of the marriage covenant, and also the plurality of wives (see History of the Church, 5:501–7). Although the revelation was recorded in 1843, it is evident from the historical records that the doctrines and principles involved in this revelation had been known by the Prophet since 1831.

Here is the text

58 Now, as touching the law of the priesthood, there are many things pertaining thereunto.

59 Verily, if a man be called of my Father, as was Aaron, by mine own voice, and by the voice of him that sent me, and I have endowed him with the keys of the power of this priesthood, if he do anything in my name, and according to my law and by my word, he will not commit sin, and I will justify him.

60 Let no one, therefore, set on my servant Joseph; for I will justify him; for he shall do the sacrifice which I require at his hands for his transgressions, saith the Lord your God.

61 And again, as pertaining to the law of the priesthood—if any man espouse a virgin, and desire to espouse another, and the first give her consent, and if he espouse the second, and they are virgins, and have vowed to no other man, then is he justified; he cannot commit adultery for they are given unto him; for he cannot commit adultery with that that belongeth unto him and to no one else.

62 And if he have ten virgins given unto him by this law, he cannot commit adultery, for they belong to him, and they are given unto him; therefore is he justified.

63 But if one or either of the ten virgins, after she is espoused, shall be with another man, she has committed adultery, and shall be destroyed; for they are given unto him to amultiply and replenish the earth, according to my commandment, and to fulfil the promise which was given by my Father before the foundation of the world, and for their exaltation in the eternal worlds, that they may bear the souls of men; for herein is the work of my Father continued, that he may be bglorified.

64 And again, verily, verily, I say unto you, if any man have a wife, who holds the keys of this power, and he teaches unto her the law of my priesthood, as pertaining to these things, then shall she believe and administer unto him, or she shall be destroyed, saith the Lord your God; for I will destroy her; for I will magnify my name upon all those who receive and abide in my law.

65 Therefore, it shall be lawful in me, if she receive not this law, for him to receive all things whatsoever I, the Lord his God, will give unto him, because she did not believe and administer unto him according to my word; and she then becomes the transgressor; and he is exempt from the law of Sarah, who administered unto Abraham according to the law when I commanded Abraham to take aHagar to wife.

66 And now, as pertaining to this law, verily, verily, I say unto you, I will reveal more unto you, hereafter; therefore, let this suffice for the present. Behold, I am Alpha and Omega. Amen.

The law of the priesthood is that plural marriage is a command and if the wife doesn't like it then she is wrong. She must be submissive to this law. It is all in there. Why did people practice polygamy in the church and why did numerous presidents (prophets) proclaim it as commandment for progression?

You are not getting it. There is NO WHERE in the text any command that a man into a plural marriage in order to enter the covenant.
19 And again, verily I say unto you, if a man marry a wife by my word, which is my law, and by the new and everlasting covenant, and it is sealed unto them by the Holy Spirit of promise, by him who is anointed, unto whom I have appointed this power and the keys of this priesthood; and it shall be said unto them—Ye shall come forth in the first resurrection; and if it be after the first resurrection, in the next resurrection; and shall inherit thrones, kingdoms, principalities, and powers, dominions, all heights and depths—then shall it be written in the Lamb’s Book of Life, that he shall commit no murder whereby to shed innocent blood, and if ye abide in my covenant, and commit no murder whereby to shed innocent blood, it shall be done unto them in all things whatsoever my servant hath put upon them, in time, and through all eternity; and shall be of full force when they are out of the world; and they shall pass by the angels, and the gods, which are set there, to their exaltation and glory in all things, as hath been sealed upon their heads, which glory shall be a fulness and a continuation of the seeds forever and ever.

Not there. Only had to enter the covenant of marriage with at least one wife. That's the law the LORD gave.

You side stepped the entire passage and picked the one that suited you. you didnt look at HoftheC 5:505-5 or what the prophets said.