"So if you think that I'm in any way "Putting Jesus Down" you are mistaken." myth believer
"I don't condemn Jesus at all" mb
"On the contrary, my view of Jesus is a highly respectable view." mb
What is it about Jesus that these myth believers respect?
christians, you may not have known this. myth believers don't put him (jesus) down or condemn him, either. as a matter of fact, they highly respect him and compare his teachings favorably with (perhaps even influenced by) Buddha
why? why do you think myth believers highly respect him, don't put him down or condemn him?
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Post #61
you didn't answer the questions. you've given your history, testimony, opinions many times. you say the same things.
you don't describe how you determine the differences between the rumors and the truth. obviously, you don't know. you highly respect jesus and you have no idea who he is. that's what you condemn christians for doing
you don't describe how you determine the differences between the rumors and the truth. obviously, you don't know. you highly respect jesus and you have no idea who he is. that's what you condemn christians for doing
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GADARENE wrote: you didn't answer the questions. you've given your history, testimony, opinions many times. you say the same things.
you don't describe how you determine the differences between the rumors and the truth. obviously, you don't know. you highly respect jesus and you have no idea who he is. that's what you condemn christians for doing
Please tell us how YOU determine what is rumor and what is truth when it comes to Jesus.
You keep asking DI to do this, but DI has mentioned that Jesus may have existed and even possibly never existed, yet you want him to tell you what is rumor and what is truth. Seems very nonsensical to me.
It's like this:
Me: Big Foot may be real.
You: OK, tell me what he eats.
You can give a man a fish and he will be fed for a day, or you can teach a man to pray for fish and he will starve to death.
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Post #63
"You'll finally realize that Jesus himself was a victim of these very rumors." divine insight
you could answer the questions, if you knew how to without revealing the truth. the truth is, you do not know how to make those kinds of distinctions. no one does. you cannot rely on scripture to support a flimsy, contrived, fairy tale like hoax.
what you have proven is that you have no basis for your claims. your beliefs have crumbled. if you really were interested in finding god, you have to start seeking him with an open mind.
are you ready?
you could answer the questions, if you knew how to without revealing the truth. the truth is, you do not know how to make those kinds of distinctions. no one does. you cannot rely on scripture to support a flimsy, contrived, fairy tale like hoax.
what you have proven is that you have no basis for your claims. your beliefs have crumbled. if you really were interested in finding god, you have to start seeking him with an open mind.
are you ready?
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You are wrong. He has provided basis for his claims. Post 52 and others provide his basis. You are just ignoring his basis and then making a false claim.GADARENE wrote: "You'll finally realize that Jesus himself was a victim of these very rumors." divine insight
you could answer the questions, if you knew how to without revealing the truth. the truth is, you do not know how to make those kinds of distinctions. no one does. you cannot rely on scripture to support a flimsy, contrived, fairy tale like hoax.
what you have proven is that you have no basis for your claims. your beliefs have crumbled. if you really were interested in finding god, you have to start seeking him with an open mind.
are you ready?
The readers of these threads are more intelligent than you think, and I trust they see through what you are doing.
You can give a man a fish and he will be fed for a day, or you can teach a man to pray for fish and he will starve to death.
I blame man for codifying those rules into a book which allowed superstitious people to perpetuate a barbaric practice. Rules that must be followed or face an invisible beings wrath. - KenRU
It is sad that in an age of freedom some people are enslaved by the nomads of old. - Marco
If you are unable to demonstrate that what you believe is true and you absolve yourself of the burden of proof, then what is the purpose of your arguments? - brunumb
I blame man for codifying those rules into a book which allowed superstitious people to perpetuate a barbaric practice. Rules that must be followed or face an invisible beings wrath. - KenRU
It is sad that in an age of freedom some people are enslaved by the nomads of old. - Marco
If you are unable to demonstrate that what you believe is true and you absolve yourself of the burden of proof, then what is the purpose of your arguments? - brunumb
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And I've told you many times over that I don't need to.GADARENE wrote: you didn't answer the questions. you've given your history, testimony, opinions many times. you say the same things.
you don't describe how you determine the differences between the rumors and the truth. obviously, you don't know. you highly respect jesus and you have no idea who he is. that's what you condemn christians for doing
As far as I'm concerned the whole New Testament is 100% rumors.
A rumor may either be true or false.
I've already explained this to you, you're just not understanding the explanation.
I've already ruled out the possibility that Jesus could have been the demigod Son of the God of the Old Testament. So I dismiss any and all rumors in the New Testament that make those sorts of claim.
The rumors themselves verify their fallacy. These rumors themselves have Jesus renouncing the immoral teachings attributed to the God of Abraham, and replacing them with totally opposite teachings.
So the rumors themselves are self-inconsistent with their own claims that Jesus was the demigod Son of the God of Abraham. They expose their own fallacy.
I suppose, in a sense, you're right. I could just stop there and recognize that the whole thing is totally unworthy of giving it anymore consideration.
Many people do just that.
But then you would ask me what my conclusion is? Do I conclude that these rumors are a total work of made-up fiction? Or do I conclude that they might actually be highly exaggerated and superstitious rumors about some person who might have actually lived?
Well my answer is that I suspect the latter.
Why? Because the rumors are far too absurd to have been just made up entirely. It makes far more sense to me that some actual person renounced the immoral teaching of the Biblical God of Abraham, argued with the Pharisees, called them hypocrites and probably did end up getting himself crucified in some horrible way which was the fodder to spark these highly emotional rumors.
Why you have such extreme difficulty understanding that perspective is beyond me.
It makes sense then to inquire what this person might have actually been attempting to do.
And that is how I come up with my theories of who Jesus most likely would have been (assuming that these fables are entirely made-up fiction).
I'm totally convinced that he could not possibly have been the demigod Son of the God of Abraham so that's already out.
In order to try to support such a thing I would need to believe that our creator is far more hideous than I can even imagine.
I'm not even remotely interested in going there.
Even if such an outrageous scenario could be true, I personally wouldn't even want to know it. I could never "worship" such an ignorant immoral God.
So as far as I'm concerned, that's not even worthy of consideration at all.
A purely secular existence where life is nothing more than an accident would be far more attractive, and respectable.
And that brings us to the question of FAITH.
If I'm going to have to believe in something based on pure FAITH ignoring all the absurdities. I would much rather place my FAITH in the idea that life is just a purely random secular accident than in the idea that we were created by a jealous God who lusts for blood sacrifices and is so disgusting that he solves his problems by having his innocent son beaten and nailed to a pole.
Why would anyone want to place their FAITH in such a horrible disgusting picture of life?
Can you answer me that?
What is your attraction to Christianity?
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Can I guess that it is the fear of not wanting to burn in a lake of fire for eternity?What is your attraction to Christianity?
When I was losing my faith, that fear was the hardest thing to overcome. I am so thankful to no longer have to live my life with that fearful burden.
You can give a man a fish and he will be fed for a day, or you can teach a man to pray for fish and he will starve to death.
I blame man for codifying those rules into a book which allowed superstitious people to perpetuate a barbaric practice. Rules that must be followed or face an invisible beings wrath. - KenRU
It is sad that in an age of freedom some people are enslaved by the nomads of old. - Marco
If you are unable to demonstrate that what you believe is true and you absolve yourself of the burden of proof, then what is the purpose of your arguments? - brunumb
I blame man for codifying those rules into a book which allowed superstitious people to perpetuate a barbaric practice. Rules that must be followed or face an invisible beings wrath. - KenRU
It is sad that in an age of freedom some people are enslaved by the nomads of old. - Marco
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Can fear be considered to be attractive?Clownboat wrote:Can I guess that it is the fear of not wanting to burn in a lake of fire for eternity?What is your attraction to Christianity?
When I was losing my faith, that fear was the hardest thing to overcome. I am so thankful to no longer have to live my life with that fearful burden.
Why would anyone place their faith in fear?
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Divine Insight wrote:Clownboat wrote:Can I guess that it is the fear of not wanting to burn in a lake of fire for eternity?What is your attraction to Christianity?
When I was losing my faith, that fear was the hardest thing to overcome. I am so thankful to no longer have to live my life with that fearful burden.Not in the normal sense. In the sense I'm using it:Can fear be considered to be attractive?
- I was attracted to having a belief that would cause me to not burn in hell for eternity unlike all those that did not agree with me. The not burning belief, unlike the rest of the sinners out there was attractive.
No idea, but again, I had faith in Jesus because of a fear of going to hell (along with other reasons). My faith was not in fear, more due to fear.Why would anyone place their faith in fear?
You can give a man a fish and he will be fed for a day, or you can teach a man to pray for fish and he will starve to death.
I blame man for codifying those rules into a book which allowed superstitious people to perpetuate a barbaric practice. Rules that must be followed or face an invisible beings wrath. - KenRU
It is sad that in an age of freedom some people are enslaved by the nomads of old. - Marco
If you are unable to demonstrate that what you believe is true and you absolve yourself of the burden of proof, then what is the purpose of your arguments? - brunumb
I blame man for codifying those rules into a book which allowed superstitious people to perpetuate a barbaric practice. Rules that must be followed or face an invisible beings wrath. - KenRU
It is sad that in an age of freedom some people are enslaved by the nomads of old. - Marco
If you are unable to demonstrate that what you believe is true and you absolve yourself of the burden of proof, then what is the purpose of your arguments? - brunumb
Post #70
I am sorry I am doing "drive-by" posts. I just don't know these days how long the power will be on.Divine Insight wrote:Can fear be considered to be attractive?Clownboat wrote:Can I guess that it is the fear of not wanting to burn in a lake of fire for eternity?What is your attraction to Christianity?
When I was losing my faith, that fear was the hardest thing to overcome. I am so thankful to no longer have to live my life with that fearful burden.
Why would anyone place their faith in fear?
(flood affected area of AU).From a psychological perspective, yes DI.. fear CAN be attractive to some, when of course there is a thought undertone of "love" attached to it. That is WHY many a spouse, whether male or female stay in abusive relationships.
What else IS the "christian" relationship with this "god but an abusive relationship when one really thinks about it?
Catalyst.
