What is the logic behind Jesus' crucifixion?

[Justin108]

This is arguably the core of the Christian faith that Jesus died for our sins and made it possible for us to live for eternity in heaven... but why did Jesus have to die in order for us to have our sins forgiven?

God makes the rules. There is no "God HAD to sacrifice Jesus" because God can do anything.

Christians often say that God cannot let sin go unpunished as it would be unjust; but is it any more just to sacrifice an innocent man on behalf of a guilty man? If a man rapes a little girl and the man's brother offers to go to prison on his behalf, would this be justice?

If god is satisfied by punishment without guilt (Jesus), why is he not satisfied with guilt without punishment?

[Theodore A. Jones]

This is arguably the core of the Christian faith that Jesus died for our sins and made it possible for us to live for eternity in heaven... but why did Jesus have to die in order for us to have our sins forgiven?

God makes the rules. There is no "God HAD to sacrifice Jesus" because God can do anything.

Christians often say that God cannot let sin go unpunished as it would be unjust; but is it any more just to sacrifice an innocent man on behalf of a guilty man? If a man rapes a little girl and the man's brother offers to go to prison on his behalf, would this be justice?

If god is satisfied by punishment without guilt (Jesus), why is he not satisfied with guilt without punishment?

You see.....The thing about God, is that God is the "master planner" And God will always do thing that we as humans will never understand.
So your question are just that....A way of trying to hurt are beliefs.
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The problem is that if God "planned" to sacrifice Jesus then it implies that only by sacrificing Jesus could God have succeeded in whatever he planned. Surely an omnipotent being has the ability to achieve the same outcome without having to kill Jesus? He could have succeeded in whatever he wanted to do merely by snapping his fingers.

Men plan because their actions are hindered by what they can and can not do. Men plan to make a way around these hindrances. God has no hindrances to go around. He can achieve X by any means he likes.

How can I, a creation ever understand God? IN the things I do....I Do. IN the thing I do not I must trust. I trust God because he was willing to give up that which he loved the most, in order to save what he could destroy in a blink of an eye

And my question is: Why did he HAVE to give up what he loved most?

Oh and by the way... God didn't give up a damn thing. Where is Jesus now? In heaven. How was he "given up" if he is sitting snugly next to God?

We all have choices to make. One of them is to give your soul to God. If you do not, then you will never be able to withstand Satan.
Satan in heaven is too dangerous.

Stop preaching. This is a debate forum.






So all you have to offer is an "I don't know" and a bit of preaching. Your post is entirely useless.

God did not sacrifice Jesus. According to the bible he was murdered by the hands of wicked men which they had previously illegally justified to be a righteous action.

[Theodore A. Jones]

This is arguably the core of the Christian faith that Jesus died for our sins and made it possible for us to live for eternity in heaven... but why did Jesus have to die in order for us to have our sins forgiven?

God makes the rules. There is no "God HAD to sacrifice Jesus" because God can do anything.

Christians often say that God cannot let sin go unpunished as it would be unjust; but is it any more just to sacrifice an innocent man on behalf of a guilty man? If a man rapes a little girl and the man's brother offers to go to prison on his behalf, would this be justice?

If god is satisfied by punishment without guilt (Jesus), why is he not satisfied with guilt without punishment?

Jesus did die for our sins to increase them by one count. But no person has, can nor will be a direct beneficiary of the sin of murder which jesus crucifixion is.

[Theodore A. Jones]

This is arguably the core of the Christian faith that Jesus died for our sins and made it possible for us to live for eternity in heaven... but why did Jesus have to die in order for us to have our sins forgiven?

God makes the rules. There is no "God HAD to sacrifice Jesus" because God can do anything.

Christians often say that God cannot let sin go unpunished as it would be unjust; but is it any more just to sacrifice an innocent man on behalf of a guilty man? If a man rapes a little girl and the man's brother offers to go to prison on his behalf, would this be justice?

If god is satisfied by punishment without guilt (Jesus), why is he not satisfied with guilt without punishment?

Jesus did die for our sins to increase them by one count. But no person has, can nor will be a direct beneficiary of the sin of murder which jesus crucifixion is.

[Dantalion]

This is arguably the core of the Christian faith that Jesus died for our sins and made it possible for us to live for eternity in heaven... but why did Jesus have to die in order for us to have our sins forgiven?

God makes the rules. There is no "God HAD to sacrifice Jesus" because God can do anything.

Christians often say that God cannot let sin go unpunished as it would be unjust; but is it any more just to sacrifice an innocent man on behalf of a guilty man? If a man rapes a little girl and the man's brother offers to go to prison on his behalf, would this be justice?

If god is satisfied by punishment without guilt (Jesus), why is he not satisfied with guilt without punishment?

Jesus did die for our sins to increase them by one count. But no person has, can nor will be a direct beneficiary of the sin of murder which jesus crucifixion is.

Thanks for clearing that up...
Pretty sure the people the people that wanted him dead were pleased.

[Theodore A. Jones]

This is arguably the core of the Christian faith that Jesus died for our sins and made it possible for us to live for eternity in heaven... but why did Jesus have to die in order for us to have our sins forgiven?

God makes the rules. There is no "God HAD to sacrifice Jesus" because God can do anything.

Christians often say that God cannot let sin go unpunished as it would be unjust; but is it any more just to sacrifice an innocent man on behalf of a guilty man? If a man rapes a little girl and the man's brother offers to go to prison on his behalf, would this be justice?

If god is satisfied by punishment without guilt (Jesus), why is he not satisfied with guilt without punishment?

"When he comes he will convict the word of guilt in regard to (a) sin". Guilt in regard to sin is the primary factor remaining after Jesus crucifixion according to the bible. The assumption that God was satisfied by punishment is an assumptive error.

[Goat]

"When he comes he will convict the word of guilt in regard to (a) sin". Guilt in regard to sin is the primary factor remaining after Jesus crucifixion according to the bible. The assumption that God was satisfied by punishment is an assumptive error.

And how do you know? Can you show how you know?? Can you support your claim?

[kayky]

The death and resurrection of Jesus can only be understood in mythic terms as a spiritual path of rebirth. Taken literally, the story makes no sense whatsoever. The very idea that God requires bloodshed in order to be appeased is one of the most primitive of religious ideas.

[Peter]

The death and resurrection of Jesus can only be understood in mythic terms as a spiritual path of rebirth. Taken literally, the story makes no sense whatsoever. The very idea that God requires bloodshed in order to be appeased is one of the most primitive of religious ideas.

Right. The war god of the desert is a primitive god invented by primitive men. A child today could invent a better god. Christianity is constantly trying to make a better god by evolving with the times. It's too bad they started out with such a monster.

[kayky]

The death and resurrection of Jesus can only be understood in mythic terms as a spiritual path of rebirth. Taken literally, the story makes no sense whatsoever. The very idea that God requires bloodshed in order to be appeased is one of the most primitive of religious ideas.

Right. The war god of the desert is a primitive god invented by primitive men. A child today could invent a better god. Christianity is constantly trying to make a better god by evolving with the times. It's too bad they started out with such a monster.

I think Christianity needs to evolve. Unfortunately, fundamentalism threatens to destroy it instead.

[Faith Leads to Knowledge]

Standing at the foot of the cross, can help you to make sense of everything. The logic of a man bent on his own survival can not look at the cross without being scandalized. One has to be immersed in love to understand. If your son's or daughters life was at stake,would you suffer the crucifixion to ensure their safety? If the answer is yes, then perhaps some,of this begins to add up.

applying the rational and skeptical test to everything is a miscalculation of the capacities of reason. You become a car salesman if you do so. A laputan. An extremist. Reason is a wondrous thing. But love, love is what will save the world.

I believe that our bewilderment with the cross is more about our own life and whether we are prepared to take it up. From the outset God is instructing man to sacrifice because He knows tatv love can love be kept. Cain asked a similar question to the op when he slayed Abel. God wants man to love the other totally and without a cross it,is simply not possible. For a loving God, the cross is perhaps the most rational conclusion.