This is arguably the core of the Christian faith that Jesus died for our sins and made it possible for us to live for eternity in heaven... but why did Jesus have to die in order for us to have our sins forgiven?
God makes the rules. There is no "God HAD to sacrifice Jesus" because God can do anything.
Christians often say that God cannot let sin go unpunished as it would be unjust; but is it any more just to sacrifice an innocent man on behalf of a guilty man? If a man rapes a little girl and the man's brother offers to go to prison on his behalf, would this be justice?
If god is satisfied by punishment without guilt (Jesus), why is he not satisfied with guilt without punishment?
What is the logic behind Jesus' crucifixion?
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P.S. Don't let the " strange " names like Urantia bother you. It's just the universal name for planet Earth.
We have had people push that book here before. For some reason, I was not impressed with what it said.
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Re: What is the logic behind Jesus' crucifixion?
Post #552In answer to the original post, Christs sacrifice was an act of love.
the fundamental question is, is logic and rational thinking the be all or end all for explaining reality. If love is at the core of our existence, Christ stacks up. A God that would not spare His son to save the world is in a league of his own. This God loves even if it kills Him.
until someone can prove that logic can define lifes meaning, I'm going with love. And yes,I hope there's a god,so we don't stink out graves. There's more rtto where I'm coming from, personal experience and church experience have confirmed my beliefs but
the fundamental question is, is logic and rational thinking the be all or end all for explaining reality. If love is at the core of our existence, Christ stacks up. A God that would not spare His son to save the world is in a league of his own. This God loves even if it kills Him.
until someone can prove that logic can define lifes meaning, I'm going with love. And yes,I hope there's a god,so we don't stink out graves. There's more rtto where I'm coming from, personal experience and church experience have confirmed my beliefs but
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Jesus didn't need to die for our sins.
What did Jesus say to the tax collector Zacchaeus?
"Today, Salvation has come to this house"
That was before Jesus died of course and John the Baptist message was Salvation by baptism, love and compassion and a contrite heart for God.
Atonement by blood was a post resurrection idea that Paul spread about the place. Obviously at the time he hadn't heard the story of Zacchaeus. Why would he, it wasn't probably written at the time? Or if it had, Paul hadn't seen it. It was that sort of age. No printing presses or fax and just a few scribbled notes. That got copied with the usual errors and copied again and again with errors and so errors on errors etc.
What did Jesus say to the tax collector Zacchaeus?
"Today, Salvation has come to this house"
That was before Jesus died of course and John the Baptist message was Salvation by baptism, love and compassion and a contrite heart for God.
Atonement by blood was a post resurrection idea that Paul spread about the place. Obviously at the time he hadn't heard the story of Zacchaeus. Why would he, it wasn't probably written at the time? Or if it had, Paul hadn't seen it. It was that sort of age. No printing presses or fax and just a few scribbled notes. That got copied with the usual errors and copied again and again with errors and so errors on errors etc.
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Re: What is the logic behind Jesus' crucifixion?
Post #554Depends on which sin you have the faith to repent of and you are not at liberty to choose the sin.mchristos606 wrote:Justin108 wrote: This is arguably the core of the Christian faith that Jesus died for our sins and made it possible for us to live for eternity in heaven... but why did Jesus have to die in order for us to have our sins forgiven?
God makes the rules. There is no "God HAD to sacrifice Jesus" because God can do anything.
Christians often say that God cannot let sin go unpunished as it would be unjust; but is it any more just to sacrifice an innocent man on behalf of a guilty man? If a man rapes a little girl and the man's brother offers to go to prison on his behalf, would this be justice?
If god is satisfied by punishment without guilt (Jesus), why is he not satisfied with guilt without punishment?
It takes a very long time to change religious beliefs , even when the evidence , supported by logic , is undeniable. Christians know that the claim , that Christ died for your sins , is NOT true. They , themselves , will tell you that , in order for sins to be forgiven , you , YOURSELF , must first REPENT !
Christ has no power to arbitrarily forgive anyone's sins because that would take away our free will. Since God The Father only wants those who freely CHOSE to want to be like him , " do his will ", it would be very unwise to force anybody to do things against their will.
However , since the Creation is spiritual in nature , and " sin as a spiritual reality DOES NOT EXIST ", those beings who continue in their sinful ways , must somehow be dealt with ! That's when the universal law of : " What Mercy can NOT rehabilitate , Justice will eventually ANNIHILATE ", comes into effect. No need for hell...you will be toast !
