shouldn't we ignore the 10 commandments?

[no evidence no belief]

Exodus 20, where God gives Moses the 10 commandments, starts with these words:

“I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery."

God never brought me out of Egypt. I was never a slave there! I am actually of Egyptian descent. If anything, my ancestors were the Egyptians who were enslving the Israelites!

CLARLY, undeniably, irrefutably, when God is giving the Ten Commandments, he's addressing the Israelites only.

He's addressing the people he just brought out of Egypt - the Israelites.

Question for debate: Should non-Israelite gentile Christians follow God's commandment even though those commandments are clearly addressed specifically and exclusively to Israelites?

[Allahakbar]

The New Stone Tablets

34 The Lord said to Moses, “Chisel out two stone tablets like the first ones, and I will write on them the words that were on the first tablets, which you broke. 2 Be ready in the morning, and then come up on Mount Sinai. Present yourself to me there on top of the mountain. 3 No one is to come with you or be seen anywhere on the mountain; not even the flocks and herds may graze in front of the mountain.�

4 So Moses chiseled out two stone tablets like the first ones and went up Mount Sinai early in the morning, as the Lord had commanded him; and he carried the two stone tablets in his hands. 5 Then the Lord came down in the cloud and stood there with him and proclaimed his name, the Lord. 6 And he passed in front of Moses, proclaiming, “The Lord, the Lord, the compassionate and gracious God, slow to anger, abounding in love and faithfulness, 7 maintaining love to thousands, and forgiving wickedness, rebellion and sin. Yet he does not leave the guilty unpunished; he punishes the children and their children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation.�

8 Moses bowed to the ground at once and worshiped. 9 “Lord,� he said, “if I have found favor in your eyes, then let the Lord go with us. Although this is a stiff-necked people, forgive our wickedness and our sin, and take us as your inheritance.�

10 Then the Lord said: “I am making a covenant with you. Before all your people I will do wonders never before done in any nation in all the world. The people you live among will see how awesome is the work that I, the Lord, will do for you. 11 Obey what I command you today. I will drive out before you the Amorites, Canaanites, Hittites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites. 12 Be careful not to make a treaty with those who live in the land where you are going, or they will be a snare among you. 13 Break down their altars, smash their sacred stones and cut down their Asherah poles.[a] 14 Do not worship any other god, for the Lord, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God.

15 “Be careful not to make a treaty with those who live in the land; for when they prostitute themselves to their gods and sacrifice to them, they will invite you and you will eat their sacrifices. 16 And when you choose some of their daughters as wives for your sons and those daughters prostitute themselves to their gods, they will lead your sons to do the same.

17 “Do not make any idols.

18 “Celebrate the Festival of Unleavened Bread. For seven days eat bread made without yeast, as I commanded you. Do this at the appointed time in the month of Aviv, for in that month you came out of Egypt.

19 “The first offspring of every womb belongs to me, including all the firstborn males of your livestock, whether from herd or flock. 20 Redeem the firstborn donkey with a lamb, but if you do not redeem it, break its neck. Redeem all your firstborn sons.

“No one is to appear before me empty-handed.

21 “Six days you shall labor, but on the seventh day you shall rest; even during the plowing season and harvest you must rest.

22 “Celebrate the Festival of Weeks with the firstfruits of the wheat harvest, and the Festival of Ingathering at the turn of the year. 23 Three times a year all your men are to appear before the Sovereign Lord, the God of Israel. 24 I will drive out nations before you and enlarge your territory, and no one will covet your land when you go up three times each year to appear before the Lord your God.

25 “Do not offer the blood of a sacrifice to me along with anything containing yeast, and do not let any of the sacrifice from the Passover Festival remain until morning.

26 “Bring the best of the firstfruits of your soil to the house of the Lord your God.

“Do not cook a young goat in its mother’s milk.�

27 Then the Lord said to Moses, “Write down these words, for in accordance with these words I have made a covenant with you and with Israel.� 28 Moses was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights without eating bread or drinking water. And he wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant—the Ten Commandments.

And he wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant—the Ten Commandments.
Do not cook a baby goat in it's mothers milk, cos I hate that taste. Cook it in a good shiraz, you philistine.

[Allahakbar]

[Replying to post 2 by Allahakbar]

Oh just btw god had already promised to write what he had originally written on the stone that moses smashed in his hissy fit.
Not only did this god NOT actually write on the new stones that moses provided he most certainly didn't write, nor have written, what was allegedly on the original stones.
Is this god a pathological liar?
Is this god suffering from oletimers disease?
Is this god not a freakin' god at all?
Is this god just takin' the piss?

[Dantalion]

Exodus 20, where God gives Moses the 10 commandments, starts with these words:

“I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery."

God never brought me out of Egypt. I was never a slave there! I am actually of Egyptian descent. If anything, my ancestors were the Egyptians who were enslving the Israelites!

CLARLY, undeniably, irrefutably, when God is giving the Ten Commandments, he's addressing the Israelites only.

He's addressing the people he just brought out of Egypt - the Israelites.

Question for debate: Should non-Israelite gentile Christians follow God's commandment even though those commandments are clearly addressed specifically and exclusively to Israelites?

Mm, seems odd that this didn't cross my mind yet.
Well, let's play devil's advocate here, it's not because hey weren't explicitly ever meant for gentile Christians that they de facto should be ignored.

[kayky]

As a woman I find the Ten Commandments offensive. When God supposedly wrote the law against coveting the property of one's neighbor, "wife" appears on the list. I do not believe God intends for women to be the property of men; therefore, God had nothing to do with these laws. They are obviously the work of an oppressive patriarchal society.

[Dantalion]

As a woman I find the Ten Commandments offensive. When God supposedly wrote the law against coveting the property of one's neighbor, "wife" appears on the list. I do not believe God intends for women to be the property of men; therefore, God had nothing to do with these laws. They are obviously the work of an oppressive patriarchal society.

Now I'm curious. Why are you a Christian ?
*edit* Nevermind, you answered this in another thread.

[Allahakbar]

As a woman I find the Ten Commandments offensive. When God supposedly wrote the law against coveting the property of one's neighbor, "wife" appears on the list. I do not believe God intends for women to be the property of men; therefore, God had nothing to do with these laws. They are obviously the work of an oppressive patriarchal society.

Now as Slim Pickens would say, sister that be the good book you be talkin' 'bout. You needs be careful of the number six dance. (I'm just joking, really) and I know it ain't funny.
BTW are these the 10 commandments?

The New Stone Tablets

34 The Lord said to Moses, “Chisel out two stone tablets like the first ones, and I will write on them the words that were on the first tablets, which you broke. 2 Be ready in the morning, and then come up on Mount Sinai. Present yourself to me there on top of the mountain. 3 No one is to come with you or be seen anywhere on the mountain; not even the flocks and herds may graze in front of the mountain.�

4 So Moses chiseled out two stone tablets like the first ones and went up Mount Sinai early in the morning, as the Lord had commanded him; and he carried the two stone tablets in his hands. 5 Then the Lord came down in the cloud and stood there with him and proclaimed his name, the Lord. 6 And he passed in front of Moses, proclaiming, “The Lord, the Lord, the compassionate and gracious God, slow to anger, abounding in love and faithfulness, 7 maintaining love to thousands, and forgiving wickedness, rebellion and sin. Yet he does not leave the guilty unpunished; he punishes the children and their children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation.�

8 Moses bowed to the ground at once and worshiped. 9 “Lord,� he said, “if I have found favor in your eyes, then let the Lord go with us. Although this is a stiff-necked people, forgive our wickedness and our sin, and take us as your inheritance.�

10 Then the Lord said: “I am making a covenant with you. Before all your people I will do wonders never before done in any nation in all the world. The people you live among will see how awesome is the work that I, the Lord, will do for you. 11 Obey what I command you today. I will drive out before you the Amorites, Canaanites, Hittites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites. 12 Be careful not to make a treaty with those who live in the land where you are going, or they will be a snare among you. 13 Break down their altars, smash their sacred stones and cut down their Asherah poles.[a] 14 Do not worship any other god, for the Lord, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God.

15 “Be careful not to make a treaty with those who live in the land; for when they prostitute themselves to their gods and sacrifice to them, they will invite you and you will eat their sacrifices. 16 And when you choose some of their daughters as wives for your sons and those daughters prostitute themselves to their gods, they will lead your sons to do the same.

17 “Do not make any idols.

18 “Celebrate the Festival of Unleavened Bread. For seven days eat bread made without yeast, as I commanded you. Do this at the appointed time in the month of Aviv, for in that month you came out of Egypt.

19 “The first offspring of every womb belongs to me, including all the firstborn males of your livestock, whether from herd or flock. 20 Redeem the firstborn donkey with a lamb, but if you do not redeem it, break its neck. Redeem all your firstborn sons.

“No one is to appear before me empty-handed.

21 “Six days you shall labor, but on the seventh day you shall rest; even during the plowing season and harvest you must rest.

22 “Celebrate the Festival of Weeks with the firstfruits of the wheat harvest, and the Festival of Ingathering at the turn of the year. 23 Three times a year all your men are to appear before the Sovereign Lord, the God of Israel. 24 I will drive out nations before you and enlarge your territory, and no one will covet your land when you go up three times each year to appear before the Lord your God.

25 “Do not offer the blood of a sacrifice to me along with anything containing yeast, and do not let any of the sacrifice from the Passover Festival remain until morning.

26 “Bring the best of the firstfruits of your soil to the house of the Lord your God.

“Do not cook a young goat in its mother’s milk.�

27 Then the Lord said to Moses, “Write down these words, for in accordance with these words I have made a covenant with you and with Israel.� 28 Moses was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights without eating bread or drinking water. And he wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant—the Ten Commandments.

[connermt]

Exodus 20, where God gives Moses the 10 commandments, starts with these words:

“I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery."

God never brought me out of Egypt. I was never a slave there! I am actually of Egyptian descent. If anything, my ancestors were the Egyptians who were enslving the Israelites!

CLARLY, undeniably, irrefutably, when God is giving the Ten Commandments, he's addressing the Israelites only.

He's addressing the people he just brought out of Egypt - the Israelites.

Question for debate: Should non-Israelite gentile Christians follow God's commandment even though those commandments are clearly addressed specifically and exclusively to Israelites?

Christian belief is entirely self serving. It is about a group of people (the bible even says they are "the chosen ones") and their belief system. For believers to try to enact their belief system onto others is beyond arrogant. So arrogant, in fact, they are taught by their belief system that it is the right thing to do. History shows us that many were killed for it.
Should we ignore the 10 commandments? Probably not all of them, though that doesn't mean we should keep some of them exactly as described. Some are of value. Though, as society changes (not even comparing current societies with each other) our needs change. Keep them in mind in your daily lives. Other than that.....

[JoeyKnothead]

As a woman I find the Ten Commandments offensive. When God supposedly wrote the law against coveting the property of one's neighbor, "wife" appears on the list. I do not believe God intends for women to be the property of men; therefore, God had nothing to do with these laws.

What then, of us who might be a-coveting you? Are we cool?

They are obviously the work of an oppressive patriarchal society.

The concurror concurs.

I might can kinda understand that "ya gotta understand the customs then" argument as relates to the issue at hand, but I have no need in thinking it applicable to today.

I like the Jewish take on it all - "It's man's understanding of God, so remember that, but do your best to be good folks".

[1213]

Question for debate: Should non-Israelite gentile Christians follow God's commandment even though those commandments are clearly addressed specifically and exclusively to Israelites?

I don’t think there is any should for Christians according to the following scriptures.

�All things are lawful for me," but not all things are expedient. "All things are lawful for me," but I will not be brought under the power of anything.
1 Corinthians 6:12

"All things are lawful for me," but not all things are profitable. "All things are lawful for me," but not all things build up."
1 Corinthians 10:23

However, if person loves God, he keeps his commandments.

If you love me, keep my commandments.
John 14:15

For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. His commandments are not grievous.
1 John 5:3

And if person has right understanding, he keeps them, because he understands that they are good and right and therefore want to keep them. And according to the Bible, God’s commandments are really in these two:

Jesus said to him, "'You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.' This is the first and great commandment. A second likewise is this, 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.
Mat. 22:37-39

I don’t see any good reason not to live according to that. And I think they are for all that wants to live well.