Christian Forums ...Why?

[KCKID]

For a few weeks I've been 'lurking' on another Christian Forum wondering whether or not to sign up. Since I generally choose my battles to fight - those that I have an interest/knowledge in or, indeed, those that I may be quite passionate about - I DO have a habit of coming on pretty strong from the get-go. This, quite naturally, irks the 'oldies' of the forum somewhat that someone no one knows dares to jump in and rock the boat with barely a 'how-do-you-do'. I may very well feel the same about a new kid in town questioning something that we 'old timers' have already pretty well established. But, I hope not.

While I don't know if I should, or even that I'm allowed to, mention the forum by name, I DID sign up to it so that I could respond to a specific post that really annoyed me. The thread is about homosexuality/gay marriage (naturally) and is, as usual, a hot topic. I should have known better than to put in my nickel's worth because most of the posts on the 41 pages of debate (well, it's hardly a debate) are hostile to homosexuality because 'God sez that it's an abomination' and that's that! It was just like the lamb among the wolves scenerio and, as said, I should have known better. But, this one particular post by an 'old timer' and very popular with the other religious zealots made the claim: "The Lord finds homosexuality/gay marriage to be reprehensible." I just couldn't let that lie pass without some kind of recourse. So, I asked of the poster to either present the scripture that states that Jesus finds homosexuality/gay marriage to be reprehensible or retract the statement. I also said that I'd respect him for retracting the statement which would be the right thing for him to do since such a scripture does not exist and that I'd raise the issue no more. Well, all hell has broken loose by the poster in question and his band of like-minded forum buddies. I'm a stone's throw away from being banned (not that I really want to stick around anyway) simply because I asked for scripture to back the claim or a withdrawal of the statement. Obviously, I have the guy backed into a corner ...I know it and he knows it.

Question/s: Why would such a reasonable question from me cause such a furore among professed Christians on a Christian Forum? I wanted scripture or retraction. The insults that have been hurled at me are SO unreasonable that they border on frothing-at-the-mouth hysteria. Have any of you experienced anything similar from such a band of merry men who tend to follow the leader and will resort to and continue to perpetuate lies rather than be seen to be backing down? Why is it SO important for some Christians on Christian sites to hurl their hate message at homosexual people (or those they consider to be 'their supporters') that they refuse to even CONSIDER other alternatives or interpretations of the scriptures that they use to do so? What kind of mentality is taking place among Christians when the term 'debate' is seen to be a threat?

Obviously, I have my own theories but I'd be interested in input from the rest of you as I'm always anxious to learn something new.

[TheTruth101]

For a few weeks I've been 'lurking' on another Christian Forum wondering whether or not to sign up. Since I generally choose my battles to fight - those that I have an interest/knowledge in or, indeed, those that I may be quite passionate about - I DO have a habit of coming on pretty strong from the get-go. This, quite naturally, irks the 'oldies' of the forum somewhat that someone no one knows dares to jump in and rock the boat with barely a 'how-do-you-do'. I may very well feel the same about a new kid in town questioning something that we 'old timers' have already pretty well established. But, I hope not.

While I don't know if I should, or even that I'm allowed to, mention the forum by name, I DID sign up to it so that I could respond to a specific post that really annoyed me. The thread is about homosexuality/gay marriage (naturally) and is, as usual, a hot topic. I should have known better than to put in my nickel's worth because most of the posts on the 41 pages of debate (well, it's hardly a debate) are hostile to homosexuality because 'God sez that it's an abomination' and that's that! It was just like the lamb among the wolves scenerio and, as said, I should have known better. But, this one particular post by an 'old timer' and very popular with the other religious zealots made the claim: "The Lord finds homosexuality/gay marriage to be reprehensible." I just couldn't let that lie pass without some kind of recourse. So, I asked of the poster to either present the scripture that states that Jesus finds homosexuality/gay marriage to be reprehensible or retract the statement. I also said that I'd respect him for retracting the statement which would be the right thing for him to do since such a scripture does not exist and that I'd raise the issue no more. Well, all hell has broken loose by the poster in question and his band of like-minded forum buddies. I'm a stone's throw away from being banned (not that I really want to stick around anyway) simply because I asked for scripture to back the claim or a withdrawal of the statement. Obviously, I have the guy backed into a corner ...I know it and he knows it.

Question/s: Why would such a reasonable question from me cause such a furore among professed Christians on a Christian Forum? I wanted scripture or retraction. The insults that have been hurled at me are SO unreasonable that they border on frothing-at-the-mouth hysteria. Have any of you experienced anything similar from such a band of merry men who tend to follow the leader and will resort to and continue to perpetuate lies rather than be seen to be backing down? Why is it SO important for some Christians on Christian sites to hurl their hate message at homosexual people (or those they consider to be 'their supporters') that they refuse to even CONSIDER other alternatives or interpretations of the scriptures that they use to do so? What kind of mentality is taking place among Christians when the term 'debate' is seen to be a threat?

Obviously, I have my own theories but I'd be interested in input from the rest of you as I'm always anxious to learn something new.

Well,

1. Homesexuality is mentioned in the Bible as an act of unjustly behavior. Sodom and Gommorah etc.

2. Homosexuality is pure "lust" because within the Bible, it states sexual activities are done ONLY to bore.

[Alchemy]

For a few weeks I've been 'lurking' on another Christian Forum wondering whether or not to sign up. Since I generally choose my battles to fight - those that I have an interest/knowledge in or, indeed, those that I may be quite passionate about - I DO have a habit of coming on pretty strong from the get-go. This, quite naturally, irks the 'oldies' of the forum somewhat that someone no one knows dares to jump in and rock the boat with barely a 'how-do-you-do'. I may very well feel the same about a new kid in town questioning something that we 'old timers' have already pretty well established. But, I hope not.

While I don't know if I should, or even that I'm allowed to, mention the forum by name, I DID sign up to it so that I could respond to a specific post that really annoyed me. The thread is about homosexuality/gay marriage (naturally) and is, as usual, a hot topic. I should have known better than to put in my nickel's worth because most of the posts on the 41 pages of debate (well, it's hardly a debate) are hostile to homosexuality because 'God sez that it's an abomination' and that's that! It was just like the lamb among the wolves scenerio and, as said, I should have known better. But, this one particular post by an 'old timer' and very popular with the other religious zealots made the claim: "The Lord finds homosexuality/gay marriage to be reprehensible." I just couldn't let that lie pass without some kind of recourse. So, I asked of the poster to either present the scripture that states that Jesus finds homosexuality/gay marriage to be reprehensible or retract the statement. I also said that I'd respect him for retracting the statement which would be the right thing for him to do since such a scripture does not exist and that I'd raise the issue no more. Well, all hell has broken loose by the poster in question and his band of like-minded forum buddies. I'm a stone's throw away from being banned (not that I really want to stick around anyway) simply because I asked for scripture to back the claim or a withdrawal of the statement. Obviously, I have the guy backed into a corner ...I know it and he knows it.

Question/s: Why would such a reasonable question from me cause such a furore among professed Christians on a Christian Forum? I wanted scripture or retraction. The insults that have been hurled at me are SO unreasonable that they border on frothing-at-the-mouth hysteria. Have any of you experienced anything similar from such a band of merry men who tend to follow the leader and will resort to and continue to perpetuate lies rather than be seen to be backing down? Why is it SO important for some Christians on Christian sites to hurl their hate message at homosexual people (or those they consider to be 'their supporters') that they refuse to even CONSIDER other alternatives or interpretations of the scriptures that they use to do so? What kind of mentality is taking place among Christians when the term 'debate' is seen to be a threat?

Obviously, I have my own theories but I'd be interested in input from the rest of you as I'm always anxious to learn something new.

Well,

1. Homesexuality is mentioned in the Bible as an act of unjustly behavior. Sodom and Gommorah etc.

2. Homosexuality is pure "lust" because within the Bible, it states sexual activities are done ONLY to bore.

KCKID asked them present evidence from the NT.Speficially, a verse where Jesus said gay is not ok. Also, if you hold your second point to be a valid reason for an anti homosexual attitude, you'd need to throw just about every other staight person in with the same lot. Anyone who has ever had sex without the express aim of that particular act being to have children. That's pretty much every single person on Earth who has had sex.

So by that account you're not only anti gay, you're anti everyone except virgins.

[TheTruth101]

For a few weeks I've been 'lurking' on another Christian Forum wondering whether or not to sign up. Since I generally choose my battles to fight - those that I have an interest/knowledge in or, indeed, those that I may be quite passionate about - I DO have a habit of coming on pretty strong from the get-go. This, quite naturally, irks the 'oldies' of the forum somewhat that someone no one knows dares to jump in and rock the boat with barely a 'how-do-you-do'. I may very well feel the same about a new kid in town questioning something that we 'old timers' have already pretty well established. But, I hope not.

While I don't know if I should, or even that I'm allowed to, mention the forum by name, I DID sign up to it so that I could respond to a specific post that really annoyed me. The thread is about homosexuality/gay marriage (naturally) and is, as usual, a hot topic. I should have known better than to put in my nickel's worth because most of the posts on the 41 pages of debate (well, it's hardly a debate) are hostile to homosexuality because 'God sez that it's an abomination' and that's that! It was just like the lamb among the wolves scenerio and, as said, I should have known better. But, this one particular post by an 'old timer' and very popular with the other religious zealots made the claim: "The Lord finds homosexuality/gay marriage to be reprehensible." I just couldn't let that lie pass without some kind of recourse. So, I asked of the poster to either present the scripture that states that Jesus finds homosexuality/gay marriage to be reprehensible or retract the statement. I also said that I'd respect him for retracting the statement which would be the right thing for him to do since such a scripture does not exist and that I'd raise the issue no more. Well, all hell has broken loose by the poster in question and his band of like-minded forum buddies. I'm a stone's throw away from being banned (not that I really want to stick around anyway) simply because I asked for scripture to back the claim or a withdrawal of the statement. Obviously, I have the guy backed into a corner ...I know it and he knows it.

Question/s: Why would such a reasonable question from me cause such a furore among professed Christians on a Christian Forum? I wanted scripture or retraction. The insults that have been hurled at me are SO unreasonable that they border on frothing-at-the-mouth hysteria. Have any of you experienced anything similar from such a band of merry men who tend to follow the leader and will resort to and continue to perpetuate lies rather than be seen to be backing down? Why is it SO important for some Christians on Christian sites to hurl their hate message at homosexual people (or those they consider to be 'their supporters') that they refuse to even CONSIDER other alternatives or interpretations of the scriptures that they use to do so? What kind of mentality is taking place among Christians when the term 'debate' is seen to be a threat?

Obviously, I have my own theories but I'd be interested in input from the rest of you as I'm always anxious to learn something new.

Well,

1. Homesexuality is mentioned in the Bible as an act of unjustly behavior. Sodom and Gommorah etc.

2. Homosexuality is pure "lust" because within the Bible, it states sexual activities are done ONLY to bore.

KCKID asked them present evidence from the NT.Speficially, a verse where Jesus said gay is not ok. Also, if you hold your second point to be a valid reason for an anti homosexual attitude, you'd need to throw just about every other staight person in with the same lot. Anyone who has ever had sex without the express aim of that particular act being to have children. That's pretty much every single person on Earth who has had sex.

So by that account you're not only anti gay, you're anti everyone except virgins.

Yes, it is considered sin. That is why, chastitiy.

Christians shouldnt have sex before marriage in the first place. That is what is told in the Bible.

Leviticus 18:22
22 You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.



Sorry, they do have a point according to the holy scriptures.

[Tex]

For a few weeks I've been 'lurking' on another Christian Forum wondering whether or not to sign up. Since I generally choose my battles to fight - those that I have an interest/knowledge in or, indeed, those that I may be quite passionate about - I DO have a habit of coming on pretty strong from the get-go. This, quite naturally, irks the 'oldies' of the forum somewhat that someone no one knows dares to jump in and rock the boat with barely a 'how-do-you-do'. I may very well feel the same about a new kid in town questioning something that we 'old timers' have already pretty well established. But, I hope not.

While I don't know if I should, or even that I'm allowed to, mention the forum by name, I DID sign up to it so that I could respond to a specific post that really annoyed me. The thread is about homosexuality/gay marriage (naturally) and is, as usual, a hot topic. I should have known better than to put in my nickel's worth because most of the posts on the 41 pages of debate (well, it's hardly a debate) are hostile to homosexuality because 'God sez that it's an abomination' and that's that! It was just like the lamb among the wolves scenerio and, as said, I should have known better. But, this one particular post by an 'old timer' and very popular with the other religious zealots made the claim: "The Lord finds homosexuality/gay marriage to be reprehensible." I just couldn't let that lie pass without some kind of recourse. So, I asked of the poster to either present the scripture that states that Jesus finds homosexuality/gay marriage to be reprehensible or retract the statement. I also said that I'd respect him for retracting the statement which would be the right thing for him to do since such a scripture does not exist and that I'd raise the issue no more. Well, all hell has broken loose by the poster in question and his band of like-minded forum buddies. I'm a stone's throw away from being banned (not that I really want to stick around anyway) simply because I asked for scripture to back the claim or a withdrawal of the statement. Obviously, I have the guy backed into a corner ...I know it and he knows it.

Question/s: Why would such a reasonable question from me cause such a furore among professed Christians on a Christian Forum? I wanted scripture or retraction. The insults that have been hurled at me are SO unreasonable that they border on frothing-at-the-mouth hysteria. Have any of you experienced anything similar from such a band of merry men who tend to follow the leader and will resort to and continue to perpetuate lies rather than be seen to be backing down? Why is it SO important for some Christians on Christian sites to hurl their hate message at homosexual people (or those they consider to be 'their supporters') that they refuse to even CONSIDER other alternatives or interpretations of the scriptures that they use to do so? What kind of mentality is taking place among Christians when the term 'debate' is seen to be a threat?

Obviously, I have my own theories but I'd be interested in input from the rest of you as I'm always anxious to learn something new.

Well,

1. Homosexuality is mentioned in the Bible as an act of unjustly behavior. Sodom and Gommorah etc.

2. Homosexuality is pure "lust" because within the Bible, it states sexual activities are done ONLY to bore.

KCKID asked them present evidence from the NT.Speficially, a verse where Jesus said gay is not ok. Also, if you hold your second point to be a valid reason for an anti homosexual attitude, you'd need to throw just about every other staight person in with the same lot. Anyone who has ever had sex without the express aim of that particular act being to have children. That's pretty much every single person on Earth who has had sex.

So by that account you're not only anti gay, you're anti everyone except virgins.

It's a simple thing to do.....Use the bible to promote gay marriage. And shut up every religious person on the face of the earth. Well most religious.
Pretty simple. Right?

At least one gay marriage in the bible. 6000 years of history and not one mention of gay marriage being a normal thing? I don't get it.

[Alchemy]

It's a simple thing to do.....Use the bible to promote gay marriage. And shut up every religious person on the face of the earth. Well most religious.
Pretty simple. Right?

At least one gay marriage in the bible. 6000 years of history and not one mention of gay marriage being a normal thing? I don't get it.

Yes, it is considered sin. That is why, chastitiy.

Christians shouldnt have sex before marriage in the first place. That is what is told in the Bible.

Leviticus 18:22
22 You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.

Sorry, they do have a point according to the holy scriptures.

The challenge was not to find any evidence or passage in the Bible that shows an anti gay message. Clearly there are some as evidenced by the scripture you’ve provided. In fact the Old Testament can be mined to show that God is against practically everything including walking too fast on Sundays and not treating your slave well enough.

The challenge you have both dodged is specifically to show Jesus Christ, (he who you can’t spell Christianity without), spouting an anti gay message using scripture from the New Testament.

[TheTruth101]

It's a simple thing to do.....Use the bible to promote gay marriage. And shut up every religious person on the face of the earth. Well most religious.
Pretty simple. Right?

At least one gay marriage in the bible. 6000 years of history and not one mention of gay marriage being a normal thing? I don't get it.

Yes, it is considered sin. That is why, chastitiy.

Christians shouldnt have sex before marriage in the first place. That is what is told in the Bible.

Leviticus 18:22
22 You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.

Sorry, they do have a point according to the holy scriptures.

The challenge was not to find any evidence or passage in the Bible that shows an anti gay message. Clearly there are some as evidenced by the scripture you’ve provided. In fact the Old Testament can be mined to show that God is against practically everything including walking too fast on Sundays and not treating your slave well enough.

The challenge you have both dodged is specifically to show Jesus Christ, (he who you can’t spell Christianity without), spouting an anti gay message using scripture from the New Testament.

Why do you propose Christians belive in the NT only? (members on that forum and here as well)

The reaosn for Christ getting crucified is to GET TO THE FATHER.

[Alchemy]

It's a simple thing to do.....Use the bible to promote gay marriage. And shut up every religious person on the face of the earth. Well most religious.
Pretty simple. Right?

At least one gay marriage in the bible. 6000 years of history and not one mention of gay marriage being a normal thing? I don't get it.

Yes, it is considered sin. That is why, chastitiy.

Christians shouldnt have sex before marriage in the first place. That is what is told in the Bible.

Leviticus 18:22
22 You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.

Sorry, they do have a point according to the holy scriptures.

The challenge was not to find any evidence or passage in the Bible that shows an anti gay message. Clearly there are some as evidenced by the scripture you’ve provided. In fact the Old Testament can be mined to show that God is against practically everything including walking too fast on Sundays and not treating your slave well enough.

The challenge you have both dodged is specifically to show Jesus Christ, (he who you can’t spell Christianity without), spouting an anti gay message using scripture from the New Testament.

Why do you propose Christians belive in the NT only? (members on that forum and here as well)

The reaosn for Christ getting crucified is to GET TO THE FATHER.

I certainly do not propose that Christians should believe only in the NT. I would point out two things though;

First, you have once again failed to show Jesus saying it ain’t ok to be gay.

Second, you’re cherry picking the OT. If we’re going to be anti gay and ignore the love thy neighbour message of Jesus because the OT says that gays are bad, then we should also be stoning people who run on Sundays.

Are you able to show via scripture in the NT, Jesus saying being gay is wrong?

[TheTruth101]

It's a simple thing to do.....Use the bible to promote gay marriage. And shut up every religious person on the face of the earth. Well most religious.
Pretty simple. Right?

At least one gay marriage in the bible. 6000 years of history and not one mention of gay marriage being a normal thing? I don't get it.

Yes, it is considered sin. That is why, chastitiy.

Christians shouldnt have sex before marriage in the first place. That is what is told in the Bible.

Leviticus 18:22
22 You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.

Sorry, they do have a point according to the holy scriptures.

The challenge was not to find any evidence or passage in the Bible that shows an anti gay message. Clearly there are some as evidenced by the scripture you’ve provided. In fact the Old Testament can be mined to show that God is against practically everything including walking too fast on Sundays and not treating your slave well enough.

The challenge you have both dodged is specifically to show Jesus Christ, (he who you can’t spell Christianity without), spouting an anti gay message using scripture from the New Testament.

Why do you propose Christians belive in the NT only? (members on that forum and here as well)

The reaosn for Christ getting crucified is to GET TO THE FATHER.

I certainly do not propose that Christians should believe only in the NT. I would point out two things though;

First, you have once again failed to show Jesus saying it ain’t ok to be gay.

Second, you’re cherry picking the OT. If we’re going to be anti gay and ignore the love thy neighbour message of Jesus because the OT says that gays are bad, then we should also be stoning people who run on Sundays.

Are you able to show via scripture in the NT, Jesus saying being gay is wrong?

Why would you look towards the NT for judgement calls in the first place? Jesus clearly said he did't come to judge but to wipe the sin of mankind.

And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.

If the issues here are of judgement (homosexuality in this case) then you shuoldnt look towards the NT but of OT instead.

If the OP calls for scriptures in the NT for this issue, its an invalid presupposition to begin with. You shold kind of see why he is getting warned in that forum now.

[KCKID]

For a few weeks I've been 'lurking' on another Christian Forum wondering whether or not to sign up. Since I generally choose my battles to fight - those that I have an interest/knowledge in or, indeed, those that I may be quite passionate about - I DO have a habit of coming on pretty strong from the get-go. This, quite naturally, irks the 'oldies' of the forum somewhat that someone no one knows dares to jump in and rock the boat with barely a 'how-do-you-do'. I may very well feel the same about a new kid in town questioning something that we 'old timers' have already pretty well established. But, I hope not.

While I don't know if I should, or even that I'm allowed to, mention the forum by name, I DID sign up to it so that I could respond to a specific post that really annoyed me. The thread is about homosexuality/gay marriage (naturally) and is, as usual, a hot topic. I should have known better than to put in my nickel's worth because most of the posts on the 41 pages of debate (well, it's hardly a debate) are hostile to homosexuality because 'God sez that it's an abomination' and that's that! It was just like the lamb among the wolves scenerio and, as said, I should have known better. But, this one particular post by an 'old timer' and very popular with the other religious zealots made the claim: "The Lord finds homosexuality/gay marriage to be reprehensible." I just couldn't let that lie pass without some kind of recourse. So, I asked of the poster to either present the scripture that states that Jesus finds homosexuality/gay marriage to be reprehensible or retract the statement. I also said that I'd respect him for retracting the statement which would be the right thing for him to do since such a scripture does not exist and that I'd raise the issue no more. Well, all hell has broken loose by the poster in question and his band of like-minded forum buddies. I'm a stone's throw away from being banned (not that I really want to stick around anyway) simply because I asked for scripture to back the claim or a withdrawal of the statement. Obviously, I have the guy backed into a corner ...I know it and he knows it.

Question/s: Why would such a reasonable question from me cause such a furore among professed Christians on a Christian Forum? I wanted scripture or retraction. The insults that have been hurled at me are SO unreasonable that they border on frothing-at-the-mouth hysteria. Have any of you experienced anything similar from such a band of merry men who tend to follow the leader and will resort to and continue to perpetuate lies rather than be seen to be backing down? Why is it SO important for some Christians on Christian sites to hurl their hate message at homosexual people (or those they consider to be 'their supporters') that they refuse to even CONSIDER other alternatives or interpretations of the scriptures that they use to do so? What kind of mentality is taking place among Christians when the term 'debate' is seen to be a threat?

Obviously, I have my own theories but I'd be interested in input from the rest of you as I'm always anxious to learn something new.

Well,

1. Homesexuality is mentioned in the Bible as an act of unjustly behavior. Sodom and Gommorah etc.

Um, supporting scripture or a retraction of statement ...?

When are folks going to catch on that homosexuality (as an act of unjustly behavior ...whatever that might mean) is mentioned NOWHERE in the story of Sodom and Gomorrah ...!

2. Homosexuality is pure "lust" because within the Bible, it states sexual activities are done ONLY to bore.

Well, I'm not sure about the 'bore' part but I've often wondered myself if sex was given only for the means to procreate. I mean, God hardly comes across as a barrel of laughs so He may well not approve of recreational sex, i.e. sex for the mere pleasure of sex. Therefore, what would this mean . . .hmmm?