Is this murder?

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They are thinking of charging the Cleveland kidnapper for murder for inducing a miscarriage in one of his captives. For those who do not recognize human life until there is a birth, how can this be murder?

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What is breathing? It is supplying oxygen to a living person to his/her blood system to "feed" the body and its organs to "stay alive."

So, if you come upon a person and find out that just one second before you got to them they had just had a heart attack and are now not breathing, and you had always wanted to know what it was like to stab a person multiple times causing fatal wounds .and went ahead and acted out your desires by stabbing the body of this person multiple times causing what would be fatal stab wounds . . could you be guilty of murder if the incident were discovered and prosecuted in court?

There is a similarity here. It is one of legal declaration. Having witnessed the birth of my children, there is a legal declaration of birth. There is also a legal declaration of death. In your example, your lawyer would have the burden of proving that the person was legally dead at the time. The opposite is the case with a fetus removed from the womb, ie the Gosnell case. The prosecuting attorney had to prove it was legally alive. Three out of the four presented were found by a jury to have been alive beyond a reasonable doubt.

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They are thinking of charging the Cleveland kidnapper for murder for inducing a miscarriage in one of his captives. For those who do not recognize human life until there is a birth, how can this be murder?

Let's ask your question another way: "For those who do not recognize human life, how can this be murder?" Perhaps we could look at a fetus as private property and ask,"For those who do not recognize private property rights, how can this be a violation of private property?"

If you aren't seeing it in those examples, here's another: Let's suppose that you have a blood clot lodged in your ventricle chamber. If it is haphazardly dislodged as you cough, and travels to your brain causing a stroke, it's your fault. If a physician applies an electrical shock to your chest which dislodges the clot and causes the subsequent stroke then he is the liable party. The legal system isn't going to debate whether the clot was a clot. They aren't going to debate whether the woman was pregnant either, or who caused the miscarriage.

This should spotlight the idiocy of these laws. If the woman was on her way to get an abortion then the kidnapper would be off the hook.

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This should spotlight the idiocy of these laws. If the woman was on her way to get an abortion then the kidnapper would be off the hook.

I am not sure that would be the case. I'm sure her lawyer would talk her into saying that she changed her mind and that seems to be where modern society seems to think the difference between fetus and baby is determined anyway, in her mind.