Book of Mormon

[Furrowed Brow]

Recently saw the Book of Mormon in London (expensive tickets....ouch!). It received a very warm standing ovation and I really enjoyed it. (Maybe not £160 enjoyed it but enjoy it I did).

But is the Book of Mormon picking on easy targets? Is there a more restrained and politely civil religion than Mormonism. But not all are so nice to their detractors.

Is the New Testament too hot to mock? I don't think the Life of Brian mocked the NT, or if it did, not in the full on way the BoT gets its teeth into the BoT. If the Book of Mormon had been the Book of the NT would it have even been allowed to open? Would there be a backlash if it had?

Clearly in present times the Qur'an is too hot unless the writers wanted to spend the rest of their life in hiding with a body guard. True the writers of South Park did put Mohammad in a bear suit, but that is about as far as they dare push it. (Drawing a bear and saying Mohammed was inside it). Can we dream of a day when irreverence breaks out in Islam and Mohammad can come out the bear suit?

Or for the time being are we - of an irreverent nature - going to restrict our mockery to the oh so polite religions and turn a little pale in the face of the more forceful religions.

[LittleNipper]

Well, I'm just glad your weren't brainwashed. 12 years old is a very impressionable age.

So's college age.

So, you are agreeing that you were brainwashed?

You were just glad that I wasn't brainwashed, and now you are saying that I was brainwashed... Which is it? Anyone can be impressed but that isn't the same as brainwashed. Brainwashed is when an individual will one regard anyone else.

Try to be clear. Are you saying that college age people are impressionable (able to be brainwashed) like 12 year olds? What was your point in mentioning college age people?

Let your yes be yes - that is, Jesus tells you to be clear in your answers. Be clear. Explain yourself. Stop the silly games.

Many college students are idiots. All they want to do is party, accept what the professor has to say to get a passing grade, attend sports events, drink, and make out. What was your point of mentioning 12 year old's?

[boatsnguitars]

Well, I'm just glad your weren't brainwashed. 12 years old is a very impressionable age.

So's college age.

So, you are agreeing that you were brainwashed?

You were just glad that I wasn't brainwashed, and now you are saying that I was brainwashed... Which is it? Anyone can be impressed but that isn't the same as brainwashed. Brainwashed is when an individual will one regard anyone else.

Try to be clear. Are you saying that college age people are impressionable (able to be brainwashed) like 12 year olds? What was your point in mentioning college age people?

Let your yes be yes - that is, Jesus tells you to be clear in your answers. Be clear. Explain yourself. Stop the silly games.

Many college students are idiots. All they want to do is party, accept what the professor has to say to get a passing grade, attend sports events, drink, and make out. What was your point of mentioning 12 year old's?

You're not good at this. I've grown tired of your silly way of engaging in discussion.

I have to assume you didn't go to college - could you not pass the entrance exams and got jealous of all the fun they were having?

Regardless, we have established you are a man of around 60 years old that is very proud to have made a life-long decision at 12 years old, as if it showed uncommon wisdom. I hope that buoys you for the next few decades as you peer into the abyss and wonder if 12 year old you knew enough about the world to make the right choice. Either way, I'd encourage you to reflect and elevate your Apologetics game. You seem to have not progressed from the time you were 12. No offense.

[Falling Light 101]

I was discussing Mormonism and Joseph Smith earlier because it deals with The Creation Story Of the Bible and delves into Reanimation and Remolding of the Originating STORYLINE of The Creation Story and the Continuing Biblical Futurology thereafter.


The Book of Mormon teaches that the disobedience of Adam and Eve in eating the forbidden fruit was necessary so that they could have children and bring joy to mankind (2 Nephi 2:23-25).

In contrast, the Bible Creation storyline specifically declares that Adams transgression was a sinful act of rebellion that unleashed the power of sin and death in the human heart and throughout Gods perfect world (Genesis 3:16-19; Romans 5:12; 8:20-21).

The Book of Mormon teaches that black skin is a sign of Gods curse so that white-skinned people are considered morally and spiritually superior to black skinned people (2 Nephi 5:21).

In contrast, the Bible teaches that God "made of one blood all nations of men" (Acts 17:26, KJV), that in Christ distinctions of ethnicity, gender and social class are erased (Galatians 3:28), and that God condemns favoritism (James 2:1).

The Mormon prophet was killed because He was a terrorist who created a mob war against the townsmen and made threats and went about destroying property and He was arrested and put into prison.

His Mob continued their purpose and slipped in a firearm / gun to Him and He or one of His fellow prisoners were caught with it and He was fired upon and killed.

Joseph's gun is on display at the Church History Museum in Salt Lake City, where anyone can see it. It has been there for years.
Joseph Smiths problem that led to His violence was the a local newspaper published His adulterous and pedophilia crimes.

Joseph Smith then went on a rampage terrorizing the people in the building and throwing their business property for news paper printing out and down into the street which led to His arrest.


Mormons prefer to see the Bible through the scope and contact and eyes and lense of Joseph Smith and His Prophecies, Revelations and Spiritual Fatherhood. Rather than just reading and accepting the Bible as it is in its original manuscripts.

[Purple Knight]

The Book of Mormon teaches that black skin is a sign of Gods curse so that white-skinned people are considered morally and spiritually superior to black skinned people (2 Nephi 5:21).

Almost any reader would consider this horrid but it naturally follows from the idea that somebody's ancestor can do a bad, and lower the moral status of their children. If this is really true, if Adam can eat an apple and have that affect the moral standing of his children, then it follows that some people naturally have more black marks against them than others, not because anybody is terrible by biology, but simply due to random chance and the accumulation of ancestral sin.

In order to reject this, we need to reject the whole of the doctrine of sin transference.

[Falling Light 101]

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The Catechism of the Catholic Church states: ” Lust is disordered desire for or inordinate enjoyment of sexual pleasure. Sexual pleasure is morally disordered when sought for itself, isolated from its   "   procreative  "   and unitive purposes” (CCC 2351).

condoms  -   birth  control,  and  any  means  of  avoiding  or  deviating  away  from  the   fertizilating  the  egg  with  the  sperm  while  having  intercourse   -   is   unholy   -  sexual  intercourse  cannot  be  just  for  enjoyment  with  your  wife  or  husband

 Sexual pleasure is   morally   disordered   when sought for itself,  isolated from its   "   procreation "    fertilization ,  to  furthering  the   DNA  -  GENETICS  to  be  passed  down  through  a  conception ...  


the facts

Roman Catholic Father  -  St.  Augustine,    demands  that  

Sexual desire a significant role in original sin's transmission,     -  sexual  intercourse  is  the daughter of sin, is also the mother of sin ... LUST - Lust becomes causally involved  in  the  transmission  of  original sin  ...     Sexual lust thereby becomes not merely a symbol of carnal concupiscence, but its cause.

this is basic  foundation  of  all  Catholic  Teaching  regarding  sex  and  Original  Sin


The  Reaity  is  that  the  Catholic  Church  demands  that  because  Jesus  was  not   born  with  sexual  intercourse  by  an  earthly  Father, he was  completely  free  from  Original  sin  -    however,  Roman  Catholics  have  no  scriptures  for  this  Catholic  deceptive  faith 

The  Bible  is  very  clear,  that  Jesus  was  made  in  the  likeness  of    SINFUL   FLESH  and  of  the   seed  of  David  and  Jesus  was  also  a very  part  of  the  inheritted   sin   and  ORIGINAL   SIN  

I do not want to confuse Roman  Catholics , however  the  truth  is  that  there is  no  confusuon 

I  would never state  that having  sexual  intercourse   is  the  reason  by  which  that  ORIGINAL  SIN   exists  or   that  original  sin  exists   because  of   sexual   intercourse  

my   point   and  what  I  am  saying   - is to  explain  that  having  sexual  intercourse   is  the    REASON  that  the  ORIGINAL  SIN   continues  to  exist   -   because  -     as  with  each  child  that  is   conceived,   -  THE  ORIGINAL   SIN   also  is  conceived  and  passed  down.

DNA   -  GENETICS   -   CONCEPTION   -   the curse of death is the result of how the genetics and DNA  has been corrupted -   the  short  life  span,  diseases,  corruption  in  the body,  sickness,  weakness and eventually  death. The  child  born  is  born  into   DEATH,  DECAY,  CORRUPTION  AND   they  each  will  die,,   and  death  will  come  to  the  offspring.  -  The   -   DNA   -  GENETICS  -  ancestral  hereditary  traits  are  passed  down  from  Adam and  Eve.

Roman  Catholics  demand that  this   DNA   -  GENETICS  -  ancestral  hereditary  traits and sin was not passed down to  Jesus   expressly because Jesus was not sexually  procreated  -  he  had  no  earthly  father   -  he  was  free  of  original  sin

It  is  the  Roman  Catholic  that  believes  that  original  sin   is   CAUSE  AND  EFFECT   and  by  the   literal   sex  act  -    by  having  a  sexual  interaction  -    a  man and  woman  having  romantic  relations,  this  is what  has  literally  CAUSED   ALL   WOMAN   to  be  born  with  original  sin  -    the  sex  act   itself   causes   the  sin  -  sex  is  sinful  but  tolerated  by  God 

THIS  IS  WHY  MARY'S  VIRGINITY  IS  SO  IMPORTANT  TO  ROMAN  CATHOLICS

BECAUSE   -    Mary  was   PURE  -   HOLY ,   SEXUALLY   PERFECT  - -  -  Mary  was  gaurding  her  viginiity  -  abstaiing  from  having  sex   -  Mary  was  rightesous  a   -  Holy   Virgin   - 

Virgin  and   a  holy  vessel  unto  God  
a  holy    perpetual   virginity  that  sets  Mary  apart  from  all  other  woman.  
The  Spouse  /  wife   of  the  Holy  Spirit

Holy Mother of God
Queen of Heaven
Queen conceived without original sin
Gate of Heaven
Mother of the Church
Mother of Divine Grace


Roman Catholics are not content just  -   to take the Biblical narrative that simply states that the only purpose of Mary being  a  virgin  was  to  show  that  Jesus  was  born  as  the  result  of   a  Miracle   -   Behold  a   Virgin  Shall  Conceive.

perpetual   virginity  is  a very  part  of  what  makes  Mary  everything  that  Roman  Catholics  believe  about  Marry  

All other women  whom  were  not  born  with  and  blessed  with  an    " Immaculate   Conception   "    the  sexual   conception  of  all  other  women   born  /  conceived  ;  procreated by a sex act wherein God did not perform a miracle and alter and bless the sperm and egg and genetics and DNA Original Sin

 the   Roman  Catholic  believes that  Jesus  is     FREE   of   Original  sin  because  he  was  not   born  from  sperm  and  egg  conception  with  an  earthly   father 

So  much   so   -   do  Catholics  beleive  this 

 that  they  have   invented  and  made - up  the  doctrine  called     "   IMMACULATE   CONCEPTION   "   this  is  in  order  to  support  the  doctine  of  Jesus  being  free  of  original  sin   wherein  and  becasue  Jesus was not  born  from   "  HUMAN    SEXUALLY   CONCEPTION   "

Catholics  focus  upon  Mary's   sexual   conception   in the  way  Mary  was  sexually  conceived   -  

the   sexual   unity   of  the  father  and  mother  of  Mary,   as  she  was   being  sexually  conceived  as  God   blessed  the  conception  itself, God  moved  and  acted  on  her  conception   

"   IMMACULATE   CONCEPTION   "   -  the   conception  was  perfect,  flawless   -  impeccable  -     CLEAN  -  spotless      -   faultless   -    pure   -    taintless   and   unsoiled   and   unsullied

in  the  very  sex  act   iteslf   with  the  conception,  God  involved  himself  by  performing  a  miracle  to  make  the  conception  immaculate,   perfect,   - clean - spotless - faultless - pure - taintless and unsoiled and unsullied -   free  from the sin of sex  

in other words  -  in the  mind  of  the  Roman  Catholic 

  the unholiness -  the   corruption  and  staining   and  the  dirtiness ,  the  nastiness,   corruption  and  unholiness  of  the  conception  of  Mary  was  caused  by  the  father  and  mother  of   Mary    -   partly  because  of  their  enjoyment  and  sexual  gratifications. 

in  conclusion,  from  the  scriptures themselves 

there  is  no  confusion  or  question  about  how   Original  Sin  is  passed  down,   and  that  Original  Sin  is  not  prevented  by  removing  the  human  father  in  conception ,   but  the  Scriptures  declare that    Original  Sin     is  in  the  DNA,   GENETICS  and  blood  and  body  of  all  born  from  Adam.

death,  decay,  sickness,  infirmities,  illness  and  the  very  fact that  death  was  caused  by  Adam  and  his  sin  in  the  corruption  of  his  own  body  -  DNA    is  defiled  

even  Jesus  was  born  in   sin   and   made,  created   /  born   in   the   same  likeness  of  sinful   flesh   -  as the  scriptures  clearly  declare

Respectfully  and  peacefully    -    Roman  Catholics  simply  have  no   scriptures  for  the  Roman  Catholic  Faith  System.

Pro 5:18  Let thy fountain be blessed: and rejoice with the wife of thy youth. 
:19  Let her be as the loving hind and pleasant roe; let her breasts satisfy thee at all times; and be thou ravished always with her love. 
  
Catechism of the Catholic Church
Second Edition - # 404

""_ The transmission of original sin is a mystery that we cannot fully understand. _""


there are 66 total books of the bible that clearly explain what original sin means

and these scriptures explain in complete detail the understanding of Original Sin. The Bible fully explains what caused Original SIn and the result and effect and the solution that God has provided to remedy the original sin