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Muhammad's statements on the coccyx

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Salaam Alaikum.

When talking about the Resurrection of human beings to be judged by God, Muhammad stated that when we die, our whole body will decay, except for one bone. He claimed that the tailbone (or the bone at the end of it) will remain, everything else will be decayed by the earth. This statement is quoted in several authentic hadiths, from Bukhari and Muslim.

(1) Narrated Al--Amash: Abu Huraira said, "Allah's Apostle said, 'Between the two sounds of the trumpet, there will be forty." Somebody asked Abu Huraira, "Forty days?" But he refused to reply. Then he asked, "Forty months?" He refused to reply. Then he asked, "Forty years?" Again, he refused to reply. Abu Huraira added. "Then (after this period) Allah will send water from the sky and then the dead bodies will grow like vegetation grows, There is nothing of the human body that does not decay except one bone; that is the little bone at the end of the coccyx of which the human body will be recreated on the Day of Resurrection." (See Hadith No. 338) (Book #60, Hadith #457)

Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: Between the two blowiings of the trumpet (there would be an interval of forty). They said: Abu Huraira, do you mean forty days? He said: I cannot say anything. They said: Do you mean fortv months? He said: I cannot say anything They said: Do you mean forty years? He said: I cannot say anything. Then Allah would cause the water to, descend from the sky and they (people) will sprout like vegetable The only thing in a man which would not decay would be one bone (spinal chord) from which the whole frame would be reconstituted on the Day of Resurrection.

Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as say- ing: The earth would consume every son of Adam except his spinal chord from which his body would be reconstituted (on the Day of Resurrection).

Abu Huraira reported so many ahadith from Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) and amongst these one was this that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: There is a bone in the human being which the earth would never consume and it is from this that new bodies would be reconstituted (on the Day of Resurrection). They said: Allah's Messenger, which bone is that? Thereupon he said: It is the spinal bone.


http://www.searchtruth.com/book_display.php?book=041&translator=2&start=...


According to Muhammad, every dead person is decayed by the earth, but what remains is her/her tailbone.

Muhammad stated that when every son of Adam (or person) dies, the earth will dissolve everything of the body but the tailbone. The tailbone is one of the bones in the human body that is least likely to dissolve. The website "Quran and Science" does a great job pointing this out.

The Coccyx

The site claims, as Muhammad did, that the coccyx does not get dissolved or eaten away by the earth. Often, it remains when all other parts of the body have been dissolved/acidified.

However, at other times, it certainly doesn't.

We know that in the sea, whale skeletons are eaten by worms, who dissolve them using acids.

The wispy worms may significantly speed up the whales’ decomposition, Katz said. Researchers previously thought it took decades for a skeleton to break down in the ocean, she said, but the worms consume it in less than a decade.

http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2013/may/02/tp-study-bone-worms-use-acid-to-disso...


Obviously, if this happens to a whale skeleton at sea, it also happens to human skeletons. The sons of Adam who drowned in the sea will not have spinal chords left from which their bodies will be reconstituted.

If we want to examine bodies that are buried in the earth, we will also see that often, the whole skeleton, not only the spinal chord, is eaten away.

The ship at Sutton Hoo is believed to have contained a body of a king, who was buried sometime in the Middle Ages. There was left nothing of either his body or skeleton, because the acidic acid dissolved all of it.
British Museum - Who was buried at Sutton Hoo?

No trace of a body was found during the 1939 excavation of the Sutton Hoo ship-burial.
Analyses of soil samples for residual phosphate (a chemical left behind when a human or animal body has completely decayed away), taken in 1967 during the British Museum's excavations, support the idea that a body was originally placed in the burial chamber, but that this had totally decayed in the highly acidic conditions at the bottom of the ship.
http://www.britishmuseum.org/explore/highlights/articles/w/who_was_buried_at_sut...



In 2011, the remains of a young boy who died on the Titanic and was subsequently buried, were exhumed so he could be recognized. He was initially incorrectly identified as being Finnish. No spinal chord remained, but instead there was a fragment of an armbone, and teeth.


Following exhumation of the grave in 2001, which produced in a 2.4-inch-long fragment of an arm bone and three teeth, Parr and colleagues concluded that the child was Eino Viljami Panula, a 13-month-old Finnish infant who drowned with his parents in the disaster.
http://news.discovery.com/history/titanic-unknown-child-identified-110426.htm


In Germany and some other parts of Western Europe, archaeologists find bodies that were buried in the peat bogs. Often they were of people who were drowned or executed there in other ways, hundreds of years before Christ. The soil in the bogs has acid concentration which interestingly dissolves the bones, but leaves the rest of the body intact.

Mummification in Bogs

The word mummification usually conjures an image of an ancient Egyptian that has been wrapped in gauze and preserved for thousands of years. However there is a process whereby the forces of nature cause natural mummification. This natural mummification can occurs in several climates. One of these climates is the peat bog; most peat bogs suitable for providing the proper conditions for mummification can be found in Europe. Mummification occurs because of the conditions produced by the bog. Sphagnum moss is the primary component of any peat bog; sphagnum moss grows upwards and completely encases bodies within the bog. When this sphagnum dies it condenses and forms peat, which encases the bodies in a cold, acidic, and oxygen deprived environment. The bacteria and fungi that are responsible for decomposition cannot survive without oxygen, thus the body cannot break down. However the aforementioned acidic conditions have an effect on the preserved bodies. These acidic conditions break down the bones within the bodies while leaving the skin intact. This is why bog mummies have a different appearance than their skin and bones Egyptian counterparts. The skin of a bog mummy is tanned and leather, and due to the absence of bones a bog mummy can be compared to a sack of skin.
http://www.zoology.ubc.ca/bio1/BogWeb/StuRep03/Mummy_Coelho.htm



Most of the bodies found in the bogs had skin remaining on them but the bones were eaten away... in some cases, nothing of the bones remained.

Damendorf Man died about 300 B.C. and was discovered thousands of years later in the Eckernförde district of Germany. Unlike some bog bodies, he was flattened by the weight of the peat. Only his skin, nails, and hair (as well as his leather belt and shoes) were preserved.
As P. V. Glob wrote in The Bog People, "The rest of him has completely disappeared as if by magic. A split nearly an inch long in the region of the heart may indicate how he was killed."

http://www.mummytombs.com/bog/damendorf.htm

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The Coccyx Miracle in Islam and Science:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/coccyx_miracle.htm

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The Coccyx Miracle in Islam and Science:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/coccyx_miracle.htm

Salaam Alaikum.

I was pretty certain that this would be one of the explanations you would use.

Let's look at it.


The Coccyx Miracle in Islam and Science:

The article was sent to me by brother Mahir; may Allah Almighty always be pleased with him.

Let's read Mahir's article.


The Coccyx


The Coccyx is the last bone in the vertebral column. It was mentioned in many Hadiths that this bone is the origin of humans and the seed from which they will be resurrected on the Day of Judgment and that this part doesn’t decay in the earth.


The honoured Hadiths:

Abu Huraira reported that The Prophet (PBUH) said: “All what of son of Adam will (be eaten???) by the earthexcept the coccyx from which he was created and from which he will be resurrected ” Reported by Albukhari, Al Nassaii, Abu Daoud, Ibn Majah and Ahmad in his Mousnad and Malek in his Mouattaa.


As was reported by Abu Huraira the prophet (PBUH) said: “There is a bone in the Son Of Adam that the earth will never eat. They said what is it Oh Prophet of Allah? He said: It is the coccyx” Reported by Albukhari, Al Nassaii, Abu Daoud, Ibn Majah, Ahmad in his book “al Mousnad” and Malek in his book “Al Mouattaa”.

From me, Osama Abdallah:

Here is another Hadith:

Narrated Al--Amash:

Abu Huraira said, "Allah's Apostle said, 'Between the two sounds of the trumpet, there will be forty." Somebody asked Abu Huraira, "Forty days?" But he refused to reply. Then he asked, "Forty months?" He refused to reply. Then he asked, "Forty years?" Again, he refused to reply. Abu Huraira added. "Then (after this period) Allah will send water from the sky and then the dead bodies will grow like vegetation grows, There is nothing of the human body that does not decay except one bone; that is the little bone at the end of the coccyx of which the human body will be recreated on the Day of Resurrection." (See Hadith No. 338)

(Sahih Bukhari, Volume 6, Book 60, Number 457)

So the previous Hadiths are clear and contain the following facts:

Human are created from the coccyx.

The coccyx does not get decayed.

On the Day of Judgment, the Resurrection will be from the coccyx.


This is what the hadiths say, correct.

Stages of foetus formation:

When the sperm fecundate the ovule, foetus formation starts. The fecundated ovule or the zygote divides into 2 cells, and each cell divides into another 2 cells. Cells division and growth continue until the formation of the embryonic disk that contains 2 layers:


The vertebral column and the last vertebrae

External “Epiblast”: contains the cytotrophoblasts that fix the embryo in the uterus wall and enable its nutrition from the blood and the secretions of the glands of the uterus wall.


Internal “Hypoblast”: From which the foetus is formed with the Will of Allah The Almighty. On the day15 the primitive streakappears in the dorsal aspect of the embryo with a pointed end called the primitive node.

The side on which the primitive streak appears is known as the back of the embryonic disc. From the primitive streak and node all the foetus tissues and organs are formed as follows:

The Ectoderm: gives the skin and the central nervous system


The Mesoderm: gives the digestive tract smooth muscles, the skeletal muscles, the circulation system, the heart, the bones the sexual and urinary systems (except the bladder), the subcutaneous tissues, the lymphatic system, the spleen and the cortex.


The Endoderm: the linings of the digestive tract and the respiratory system, the organs related to the digestive tract (ex: liver and pancreas), the bladder, the thyroid gland, the hearing canal.

After that, the primitive streak and node become emaciated and reside in the sacral zone, in the last vertebrae, so that the coccyx is formed.

Therefore, the primitive streak and the primitive node represent the coccyx that the prophet (PBUH) told us about.(1)

Foetus malformation is a proof that the coccyx contains the mother cells for all the human tissues:

After the creation and formation of the foetus from the primitive streak and the primitive node, those reside in the last vertebrae of the sacrum (the coccyx) and retain their characteristics. If those are motivated somehow, they start to grow similarly to the foetus growth and so give a tumour (Teratoma) that resembles a defective foetus with some organs fully formed (hands or feet with nails) (see the picture). Therefore the sacrum indeed contains the mother cells and what the prophet (PBUH) said about the Resurrection of humans from their coccyx on the Day of Judgment has been proved.

The conclusion: the coccyx contains the primitive streak and primitive node and those are able to grow giving the three layers that form the foetus: ectoderm, mesoderm and endoderm and so can give all the organs as the surgeon when opening the tumour previously mentioned found fully formed organs inside it like teeth, hair…

Humans can be then recreated from their coccyx that contains the primitive streak and node of the overall potential. (2)

Fair enough.


And so the coccyx can not get decayed:

Researchers found that foetus cells’ formation and organisation are exerted by the primitive streak and node and before their formation no cells’ differentiation could have taken place. One of the most famous researchers who proved this was the German scientist Hans Spemann.

Muhammad did not say that that the cells of a coccyx will not die. He said that the coccyx bone will not decay.

Abu Huraira reported that The Prophet (PBUH) said: “All what of son of Adam will (be eaten???) by the earthexcept the coccyx from which he was created and from which he will be resurrected ” Reported by Albukhari, Al Nassaii, Abu Daoud, Ibn Majah and Ahmad in his Mousnad and Malek in his Mouattaa.


As was reported by Abu Huraira the prophet (PBUH) said: “There is a bone in the Son Of Adam that the earth will never eat. They said what is it Oh Prophet of Allah? He said: It is the coccyx” Reported by Albukhari, Al Nassaii, Abu Daoud, Ibn Majah, Ahmad in his book “al Mousnad” and Malek in his book “Al Mouattaa”.

From me, Osama Abdallah:

Here is another Hadith:

Narrated Al--Amash:

Abu Huraira said, "Allah's Apostle said, 'Between the two sounds of the trumpet, there will be forty." Somebody asked Abu Huraira, "Forty days?" But he refused to reply. Then he asked, "Forty months?" He refused to reply. Then he asked, "Forty years?" Again, he refused to reply. Abu Huraira added. "Then (after this period) Allah will send water from the sky and then the dead bodies will grow like vegetation grows, There is nothing of the human body that does not decay except one bone; that is the little bone at the end of the coccyx of which the human body will be recreated on the Day of Resurrection." (See Hadith No. 338)

(Sahih Bukhari, Volume 6, Book 60, Number 457)

Muhammad was clearly saying that the coccyx bone will not decay, not the cells.

Bone, as defined by Free Medical Online Dictionary

Bone (bōn)
1. the hard, rigid form of connective tissue constituting most of the skeleton of vertebrates, composed chiefly of calcium salts.
2. any distinct piece of the skeleton of the body.

http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/bone

Cell, as defined by the Free Medical Online Dictionary

cell (sel)
1. any of the protoplasmic masses making up organized tissue, consisting of a nucleus surrounded by cytoplasm enclosed in a cell or plasma membrane. It is the fundamental, structural, and functional unit of living organisms. In some of the lower forms of life, such as bacteria, a morphological nucleus is absent, although nucleoproteins (and genes) are present.
2. a small, more or less closed space.

http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/cell


coccyx /coc·cyx/ (kok´siks) tail bone; the small bone caudal to the sacrum, formed by union of three to five rudimentary vertebrae, and forming the caudal extremity of the vertebral column.

http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/coccyx

Osama Abdullah's source changed Muhammad's words to say he was talking about cells, when he was clearly talking about a bone.

I will show also why the cell explanation does not work either.

After his experiments on the primitive streak and node he found that those organise the creation of the foetus and so he called them “The primary organiser”. He cut this part from one foetus and implanted it in another one in the primary embryonic stage (third and fourth week). This lead to the formation of a secondary foetus in the guest body due to the influence and organisation exerted by the surrounding guest’s cells on the implant.

The German scientist started his experiments on the amphibians by implanting the primary organiser in a second foetus, which led to the growth of a secondary embryo. The implantation of the cut primary organiser was in another foetus of the same age under the Epiblast layer and lead to the apparition of a secondary embryonic anlage.

In 1931, when Spemann crushed the primary organiser and implanted it again, the crushing did not affect the experiment as again, a secondary embryonic anlage grew.

In 1933, Spemann and other scientists conducted the same experiment but the primary organiser was boiled this time. A secondary embryonic anlage grew in spite of the boiling showing that the cells were not affected. In 1935, Spemann was awarded the Nobel Prize for his discovery of the Primary Organiser. (3)

Dr Othman Al Djilani and Sheikh Abd Al Majid Azzandani did some experiments on the coccyx in Ramadan 1423 in Sheikh Abd Al Majid Azzandani’s house in Sanaa.

One of the two vertebras of 5 coccyx bones were burnt on stones using a gas gun for 10 minutes until their total combustion (the bones became red then black). They put the carbonised pieces in sterilised boxes and took them to the most famous analysis laboratory in Sanaa (Al Olaki laboratory). Dr al Olaki, the professor in histology and pathology in Sanaa University, analysed the pieces and found that the cells of the bone tissues of the coccyx were not affected and they survived the burning (only the muscles the fatty tissues and the bone marrow cells were burnt while the coccyx bone cells were not affected). (4)

by Dr Othman Aljilani (Translated By R.C)

References :

(1)Primitive Streak
During the development usually on day 15, a thickened linear band of
Epiblast known as the primitive streak appears caudal in the midline of the
dorsal aspect of the embryonic disc

It is clearly visible as narrow groove with slightly bulging regions on either
side

KEITH L. MOOR. The Developing Human, page 54
Human Embryology, 4th edition, page 69

(2)Teratoma: Contain representative cells from all three embryonic layers
(Ectoderm, Mesoderm, Endoderm) and containing hair, teeth, muscle,
glands...

The precise origin of teratoma probably from migrating totipotential cells
found in proximity to the hensens node in the early embryo. The peak
incidence is in the third and fourth decades.

1-SHO practice of surgery page 102
2- Sabiston-text book of surgery 16th edition page

(3)Human embryology 4th edition page 196

(4)Summary of research work presented by Dr Othman Aljilani in the 7th
conference of scientific miracles in The Koran and The Sunna (Dubai 2004)


The coccyx bones were crushed, boiled and burned for 10 minutes. The cells in them survived. This is irrelevant, because Muhammad was talking not about cells but about bones.

Having said this, if you put a body into a crematorium, after the 1 hour + long process is completed, all living components of it are destroyed.

When a cremation is properly performed, the heat is extreme to the extent that no living material exposed to the heat can survive it.

http://www.exploredna.co.uk/dna-test-after-death.html

So we see that:

a) Regardless of what Muhammad may have said, the coccyx bone does get decayed. This has been observed in bogs, on the Titanic, the Sutton Hoo ship burial, and more.

b) Muhammad said that the coccyx bone does not decay. Osama Abdullah's source tried to change "bone" to "cell".

c) Cells do not survive cremation so even if Muhammad stated "cell" (which he didn't), he still would have been wrong.

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Now let us read the Haddith

Abu Huraira reported that The Prophet (PBUH) said: “All what of son of Adam will (be eaten???) by the earthexcept the coccyx from which he was created and from which he will be resurrected ” Reported by Albukhari, Al Nassaii, Abu Daoud, Ibn Majah and Ahmad in his Mousnad and Malek in his Mouattaa.

The prophet speaks about the coccyx , and there are 2 missions for the coccyx :
1- He was created from the coccyx ..
2- And the human from the coccyx will be resurrected .

The researches and the studies proved the first mission for the coccyx " the primitive streak " . and the prophet presented it as a fact did not cost him billions of Dollars or labs to tell us about it .

[ A ] :The sane person will know for sure without a doubt . Mohammad is taking this knowledge from an absolute authority has an absolute knowledge about the tiny details about human's creation and about everything in the universe .

[ B ] :The sane person will know for sure without a doubt . as long as prophet Mohammad is speaking the truth about the first mission of the coccyx . then no need to deny his saying about the second mission of the coccyx ..

[ C ] : the ill hearts will be ill even if the angel Gabriel came to them and told them : Mohammad is a true messenger from Allah .

Therefore Allah says about the unbelievers : [28. Yea, in their own (eyes) will become manifest what before they concealed. But if they were returned, they would certainly relapse to the things they were forbidden, for they are indeed liars. ]

When I say the egg .



what will come in your mind ?
are you going to say . Oh steps sorry did you mean ?

the shell or the outer membrane , air cell , or , or , or …..

is this your way to get the meanings ? or are you an arguer ?

so when the prophet said : one bone . or the little bone at the end of the coccyx .

our amazing friend TG123 knew by himself , and no one helped him that prophet Mohammad was speaking about the surface of bone but not the surface and inner parts of the tailbone

[56. And We send not the Messengers except as giver of glad tidings and warners. But those who disbelieve, dispute with false argument, in order to refute the truth thereby. And they treat My Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.), and that with which they are warned, as jest and mockery!]

You are a wonderful person , carrying very weak arguments .

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The haddith in the Arabic language :

(كل ابن آدم يأكله التراب إلا عجب الذنب منه خلق وفيه يركب)

Oh, prophet you are amazing person . no one on earth was before you or will come after you . will reach your high eloquence. peace be upon you prophet Mohammad .

He knows where to put the suitable word and when to say the suitable words . because there are enemies will argue about his sayings . and there are many ignorant people .

(كل ابن آدم يأكله التراب إلا عجب الذنب منه خلق وفيه يركب)

منه contains : من " " and the pronoun " ـه " . " ـه " refers to the tailbone .
فيه contains : في " " and the pronoun " ـه " . " ـه " refers to the tailbone .

According to Google translation :

من " " means : From . the word " منه " means from it .
في " " means : In . the word " فيه " means in it .

so the prophet said during creation stages " from it " and during the reconstruction " in it "

I told you before : I do not care about the translations , we use them to communicate with other beliefs . and the show them the truth .

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Finally :

People believed prophet Mohammad not because of the scientific facts in the holy Quran or in the haddith .. these facts have been discovered after 1400 years since Allah inspired him .
Most people are converting to Islam and the Islam's followers are growing not because of the scientific facts . they were/are searching sincerity for the truth .
one of the great missions of the scientific facts are testifying against the unbelievers about the true of the holy Quran and the true of prophet Mohammad that they are from Allah , and Allah only . the creator of heavens and earth .

therefore the speech of the holy Quran is addressed to the unbelievers , because the believers do not need a confirmation . the belief in Allah settled in their hearts .

[ 26. Verily, Allah is not ashamed to set forth a parable even of a mosquito or so much more when it is bigger (or less when it is smaller) than it. And as for those who believe, they know that it is the Truth from their Lord, but as for those who disbelieve, they say: "What did Allah intend by this parable?" By it He misleads many, and many He guides thereby. And He misleads thereby only those who are Al-Fasiqun (the rebellious, disobedient to Allah).]

The topic is not difficult. but the disease inside your heart is very difficult to cure .

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Now let us read the Haddith

Abu Huraira reported that The Prophet (PBUH) said: “All what of son of Adam will (be eaten???) by the earthexcept the coccyx from which he was created and from which he will be resurrected ” Reported by Albukhari, Al Nassaii, Abu Daoud, Ibn Majah and Ahmad in his Mousnad and Malek in his Mouattaa.

The prophet speaks about the coccyx , and there are 2 missions for the coccyx :
1- He was created from the coccyx ..
2- And the human from the coccyx will be resurrected .

I am not denying either of these.

steps wrote:

The researches and the studies proved the first mission for the coccyx " the primitive streak " . and the prophet presented it as a fact did not cost him billions of Dollars or labs to tell us about it .

True. I am not contesting this.
steps wrote:

[ A ] :The sane person will know for sure without a doubt . Mohammad is taking this knowledge from an absolute authority has an absolute knowledge about the tiny details about human's creation and about everything in the universe .

Muhammad took his knowledge about the coccyx from a very intelligent source, but not from God. Muhammad's source told him that the coccyx is "the primitive streak". That is true, and extraordinary knowledge.
His source also told him that the coccyx does not decay. That is false.
steps wrote:

[ B ] :The sane person will know for sure without a doubt . as long as prophet Mohammad is speaking the truth about the first mission of the coccyx . then no need to deny his saying about the second mission of the coccyx ..

Not true. If his revelation was correct about one thing, it does not follow it had to have been correct about others. We know that it is not true that the coccyx does not decay.
steps wrote:

[ C ] : the ill hearts will be ill even if the angel Gabriel came to them and told them : Mohammad is a true messenger from Allah .

Gabriel wouldn't say that, and never did.
steps wrote:

Therefore Allah says about the unbelievers : [28. Yea, in their own (eyes) will become manifest what before they concealed. But if they were returned, they would certainly relapse to the things they were forbidden, for they are indeed liars. ]

This is a quote from the Quran, a book that I have demonstrated contains scientific and historical errors.
steps wrote:

When I say the egg .



what will come in your mind ?
are you going to say . Oh steps sorry did you mean ?

the shell or the outer membrane , air cell , or , or , or …..

is this your way to get the meanings ? or are you an arguer ?

so when the prophet said : one bone . or the little bone at the end of the coccyx .

our amazing friend TG123 knew by himself , and no one helped him that prophet Mohammad was speaking about the surface of bone but not the surface and inner parts of the tailbone

Muhammad said "bone". Do you know what a bone is? I defined it for you. Prove to me that when Muhammad said "bone", he really meant "cell".

steps wrote:

[56. And We send not the Messengers except as giver of glad tidings and warners. But those who disbelieve, dispute with false argument, in order to refute the truth thereby. And they treat My Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.), and that with which they are warned, as jest and mockery!]

You are a wonderful person , carrying very weak arguments .

You have yet to show my arguments as weak.

I am not "a wonderful person". I am a sinner who does not deserve God's love or forgiveness or salvation, yet He provided me these things through the cross.

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steps wrote:

The haddith in the Arabic language :

(كل ابن آدم يأكله التراب إلا عجب الذنب منه خلق وفيه يركب)

Oh, prophet you are amazing person . no one on earth was before you or will come after you . will reach your high eloquence. peace be upon you prophet Mohammad .

He knows where to put the suitable word and when to say the suitable words . because there are enemies will argue about his sayings . and there are many ignorant people .

(كل ابن آدم يأكله التراب إلا عجب الذنب منه خلق وفيه يركب)

منه contains : من " " and the pronoun " ـه " . " ـه " refers to the tailbone .
فيه contains : في " " and the pronoun " ـه " . " ـه " refers to the tailbone .

According to Google translation :

من " " means : From . the word " منه " means from it .
في " " means : In . the word " فيه " means in it .

so the prophet said during creation stages " from it " and during the reconstruction " in it "

This is how "Google Translate" translated the verse, word for word.

(Every son of Adam to eat the dirt, but tailbone him to create the ride)
http://translate.google.com/#auto/en/%28%D9%83%D9%84%20%D8%A7%D8%A8%D9%86%20%D8%...

You stated that Muhammad said about the coccyx during creation stages "from it" and during reconstruction "in it". What did he say when he described it never decaying?

steps wrote:

I told you before : I do not care about the translations , we use them to communicate with other beliefs . and the show them the truth .

Regardless of what translation you use, Muhammad made a scientific mistake.

steps wrote:

Finally :

People believed prophet Mohammad not because of the scientific facts in the holy Quran or in the haddith .. these facts have been discovered after 1400 years since Allah inspired him .
Most people are converting to Islam and the Islam's followers are growing not because of the scientific facts . they were/are searching sincerity for the truth .
one of the great missions of the scientific facts are testifying against the unbelievers about the true of the holy Quran and the true of prophet Mohammad that they are from Allah , and Allah only . the creator of heavens and earth .

Islam's greatest mistake are not the scientific and historical errors that exist in it, but its denial of Jesus' divinity and resurrection. The scientific and historical mistakes though are easiest and most definitive proof that the Quran was not written by God and that Muhammad was not His prophet.
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therefore the speech of the holy Quran is addressed to the unbelievers , because the believers do not need a confirmation . the belief in Allah settled in their hearts .

[ 26. Verily, Allah is not ashamed to set forth a parable even of a mosquito or so much more when it is bigger (or less when it is smaller) than it. And as for those who believe, they know that it is the Truth from their Lord, but as for those who disbelieve, they say: "What did Allah intend by this parable?" By it He misleads many, and many He guides thereby. And He misleads thereby only those who are Al-Fasiqun (the rebellious, disobedient to Allah).]

So are the scientific and historical errors in the Quran and hadiths parables?
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The topic is not difficult. but the disease inside your heart is very difficult to cure .

My heart is focused on Allah. It is because I love Him that I reject the accusation against Him that He is the author of the Quran and the one who sent Muhammad.

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Re: Muhammad's statements on the coccyx

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