WARNING: DO NOT BUY/USE E15 GAS

[Choir Loft]

AAA along with other consumer outlets has issued extreme warnings AGAINST using E15 gas.

This stuff will damage your fuel lines and engine so badly as to render the vehicle unusable. Most major manufacturers have issued statements that their warranties will not cover such damage.

Do not buy or use E15 gas.

Google it.

Another fine example of our government at work to screw us all..

and that's just me, hollering from the choir loft...

[DanieltheDragon]

[Replying to post 9 by Divine Insight]

It wont destroy your engine to use it but it will lower your fuel economy and can clog up your fuel lines if you do use it, It is very important to do proper maintenance and clean your fuel lines. Really for your cars I wouldn't recommend it to much of a hassle and as it stand most gas stations only do a maximum of 10% anyways you probably would have to go out of your way
to find 15% atm. You would see a boost in power though using Ethanol in your fuel has a tendency to increase horsepower and torque. E85 can give you
a 10-20% increase in power vs gas =D

[Nickman]

[Replying to post 9 by Divine Insight]

It wont destroy your engine to use it but it will lower your fuel economy and can clog up your fuel lines if you do use it, It is very important to do proper maintenance and clean your fuel lines.

Alcohol will clog your fuel filters. It will also give you more gas economy.

[Divine Insight]

[Replying to post 9 by Divine Insight]

It wont destroy your engine to use it but it will lower your fuel economy and can clog up your fuel lines if you do use it, It is very important to do proper maintenance and clean your fuel lines. Really for your cars I wouldn't recommend it to much of a hassle and as it stand most gas stations only do a maximum of 10% anyways you probably would have to go out of your way
to find 15% atm. You would see a boost in power though using Ethanol in your fuel has a tendency to increase horsepower and torque. E85 can give you
a 10-20% increase in power vs gas =D

I'm not planning on using it. I just wanted to make sure I can easily avoid it.

I don't do a lot of driving anyway. I only have two cars on the road for convenience. These cars are old and sometimes they do have a problem and need a repair. Having the second car to drive whilst I work on the one that's down is always nice.

Fortunately they have both been running very well lately. It's also fun having two cars. I enjoy driving both them. It's just cool having two cars. I've actually been thinking about putting the Buick back on the road too. But I guess it would be really silly to have three cars on the road for one person who doesn't drive much. (ha ha)

[DanieltheDragon]

[Replying to post 12 by Nickman]

I guess that depends on the engine then.

F-150 e85 vs gas

5.0L v8

Gas
15
City

17

Combined
21
Highway


E85
11
City
13
Combined
15

[Nickman]

[Replying to post 12 by Nickman]

I guess that depends on the engine then.

F-150 e85 vs gas

5.0L v8

Gas
15
City

17

Combined
21
Highway


E85
11
City
13
Combined
15

Results may vary. Oops.

[DanieltheDragon]

[Replying to post 15 by Nickman]

Just took a road trip to see my wife's grandmother and we found an E85 station exactly half way @ $2.78 a gallon 105 octane ran smooth as butter in our 2013 ford focus 2.0L its flex fuel so I was really happy to get a chance to take advantage of this feature hehehehe its like race fuel !!!! although I did notice a significant drop in our fuel economy I can usually average 43 MPG's on the highway and only got about 38 with the E85 but considering the cost in fuel savings it was well worth the drop in fuel economy.

[amptramp]

I would think that some of the discussion would be about the diversion of corn crops to fuel. This is reminiscent of the "guns or butter" choices some countries have made.

If you look at the amount of energy required to plant, harvest and ferment the corn, it provides only about a factor of two in energy delivery compared to energy used. Petroleum typically provides a factor of 50 in terms of energy delivered to the customer compared to energy required for manufacturing. Ethanol is not the petroleum saver that its shills make it out to be.

Most cars react badly to having 15% much ethanol in the fuel - ethanol contains its own oxygen, so the stoichiometric mixture (the ratio of air to fuel required to burn completely with no air or fuel left over) goes down from the normal 14.7 for pure gasoline to some lower number. The electronic engine controls usually have a fuel trim range that is OK for 10% but runs lean at 15% and can damage the engine. There is also the issue of corrosion of fuel lines and injectors since the alcohol is hygroscopic (absorbs water). There is nothing saying that the alcohol remains mixed with the gasoline after it has been subjected to water absorption. If enough water gets in, the engine is left with gasoline that has no octane adders (the octane rating is roughly 73) and a load of dilute vodka in the bottom of the tank.

Maybe America needs an AAAAA - Automobile Association of America Alcoholics Anonymous - to counteract a government that drives you to drink.

[Goat]

I would think that some of the discussion would be about the diversion of corn crops to fuel. This is reminiscent of the "guns or butter" choices some countries have made.

If you look at the amount of energy required to plant, harvest and ferment the corn, it provides only about a factor of two in energy delivery compared to energy used. Petroleum typically provides a factor of 50 in terms of energy delivered to the customer compared to energy required for manufacturing. Ethanol is not the petroleum saver that its shills make it out to be.

Most cars react badly to having 15% much ethanol in the fuel - ethanol contains its own oxygen, so the stoichiometric mixture (the ratio of air to fuel required to burn completely with no air or fuel left over) goes down from the normal 14.7 for pure gasoline to some lower number. The electronic engine controls usually have a fuel trim range that is OK for 10% but runs lean at 15% and can damage the engine. There is also the issue of corrosion of fuel lines and injectors since the alcohol is hygroscopic (absorbs water). There is nothing saying that the alcohol remains mixed with the gasoline after it has been subjected to water absorption. If enough water gets in, the engine is left with gasoline that has no octane adders (the octane rating is roughly 73) and a load of dilute vodka in the bottom of the tank.

Maybe America needs an AAAAA - Automobile Association of America Alcoholics Anonymous - to counteract a government that drives you to drink.

A much better source of that could potentially be sucrose from genetically modified blue-green alga . This can be done with a low water profile, on land that you can't grow crops on

http://cleantechnica.com/2013/09/29/pro ... boo-birds/

[DanieltheDragon]

[Replying to post 17 by amptramp]

I would concur that E-15 is not for everyone but I dont think Gas stations should be prevented from making it an option. people should just be aware of the pros and cons of any fuel the put in their cars.