Why Does Richard Carrier think that Jesus never existed?
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Why Does Richard Carrier think that Jesus never existed?
Post #1Why does Columbia PhD in Ancient History, Richard Carrier, think that Jesus never existed?
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Re: Why Does Richard Carrier think that Jesus never existed?
Post #41[Replying to TRANSPONDER in post #40]
The gospels are a theology made up of a hybrid of Jewish scripture and Greek mythology. Paul and the other epistle writers don't know one single thing about the gospel story, nothing about a Jesus from Nazareth, nor Mary, Joseph, Pilate, Galilee, none of that. Mark got the names of Peter, John and James from Paul's writings and recast them as disciples of Jesus. He portrays them as being daft and not understanding Jesus's message.
The gospels are a theology made up of a hybrid of Jewish scripture and Greek mythology. Paul and the other epistle writers don't know one single thing about the gospel story, nothing about a Jesus from Nazareth, nor Mary, Joseph, Pilate, Galilee, none of that. Mark got the names of Peter, John and James from Paul's writings and recast them as disciples of Jesus. He portrays them as being daft and not understanding Jesus's message.
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Re: Why Does Richard Carrier think that Jesus never existed?
Post #42The misspelling is not mine.Tcg wrote: βThu Aug 04, 2022 2:11 amCan you present anything beyond an obvious misspelling of the author's name what issues you have with this book? I know little about it, but don't think that a simple assertion that it doesn't count is very helpful.The Nice Centurion wrote: βWed Aug 03, 2022 11:48 pm
(The Bart Errorman sham "Did Jesus exist?" doesnt count.
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After his book various websites and even youtube videos gave it to him and decided that it would stay for keeps.
This may be the best link about rhe webwar of Carrier and Errorman about his book:
https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/1794
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"Joseph Smith can't possibly have been a deceiver.
For if he had been, the Angel Moroni never would have taken the risk of enthrusting him with the Golden Plates"
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Re: Why Does Richard Carrier think that Jesus never existed?
Post #43The repetition of the childish misspelling is indeed yours. In any case, I wasn't asking for a link, but rather if you could support your claim his book doesn't count. Your reply seems to answer the question.The Nice Centurion wrote: βThu Aug 04, 2022 1:38 pmThe misspelling is not mine.Tcg wrote: βThu Aug 04, 2022 2:11 amCan you present anything beyond an obvious misspelling of the author's name what issues you have with this book? I know little about it, but don't think that a simple assertion that it doesn't count is very helpful.The Nice Centurion wrote: βWed Aug 03, 2022 11:48 pm
(The Bart Errorman sham "Did Jesus exist?" doesnt count.
Tcg
After his book various websites and even youtube videos gave it to him and decided that it would stay for keeps.
This may be the best link about rhe webwar of Carrier and Errorman about his book:
https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/1794
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Re: Why Does Richard Carrier think that Jesus never existed?
Post #44Read the book !Tcg wrote: βThu Aug 04, 2022 2:09 pmThe repetition of the childish misspelling is indeed yours. In any case, I wasn't asking for a link, but rather if you could support your claim his book doesn't count. Your reply seems to answer the question.The Nice Centurion wrote: βThu Aug 04, 2022 1:38 pmThe misspelling is not mine.Tcg wrote: βThu Aug 04, 2022 2:11 amCan you present anything beyond an obvious misspelling of the author's name what issues you have with this book? I know little about it, but don't think that a simple assertion that it doesn't count is very helpful.The Nice Centurion wrote: βWed Aug 03, 2022 11:48 pm
(The Bart Errorman sham "Did Jesus exist?" doesnt count.
Tcg
After his book various websites and even youtube videos gave it to him and decided that it would stay for keeps.
This may be the best link about rhe webwar of Carrier and Errorman about his book:
https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/1794
Tcg
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"Only Experts in Reformed Egyptian should be allowed to critique the Book of Mormon"
"Joseph Smith can't possibly have been a deceiver.
For if he had been, the Angel Moroni never would have taken the risk of enthrusting him with the Golden Plates"
"Only Experts in Reformed Egyptian should be allowed to critique the Book of Mormon"
"Joseph Smith can't possibly have been a deceiver.
For if he had been, the Angel Moroni never would have taken the risk of enthrusting him with the Golden Plates"
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Re: Why Does Richard Carrier think that Jesus never existed?
Post #45[Replying to Tcg in post #43]
I read Ehrmans book, Did Jesus Exist?, and I'm glad I paid only a couple of bucks for a used copy. Ehrmans sources for his claims are hypothetical, a complete disappointment. The revues were like 'ouch'.
I read Ehrmans book, Did Jesus Exist?, and I'm glad I paid only a couple of bucks for a used copy. Ehrmans sources for his claims are hypothetical, a complete disappointment. The revues were like 'ouch'.
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Post #46I bought it and read it the day it was released. I was disappointed. I've read and enjoyed pretty much everything else he's written.neverknewyou wrote: βThu Aug 04, 2022 11:48 pmI read Ehrmans book, Did Jesus Exist?, and I'm glad I paid only a couple of bucks for a used copy. Ehrmans sources for his claims are hypothetical, a complete disappointment. The revues were like 'ouch'.
My pronouns are he, him, and his.
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Post #47[Replying to Difflugia in post #46]
Yes, apparently he otherwise writes decent stuff but when it comes to the existence of Jesus, he abandons his senses.
Yes, apparently he otherwise writes decent stuff but when it comes to the existence of Jesus, he abandons his senses.
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Re: Why Does Richard Carrier think that Jesus never existed?
Post #48No misspelling here, and certainly not childish.
By nearer thought of it I accept this as his official new name. "Professor Errorman and his Students" has a good sound!
Please let the man carry his earned new name with pryde.
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"Only Experts in Reformed Egyptian should be allowed to critique the Book of Mormon"
"Joseph Smith can't possibly have been a deceiver.
For if he had been, the Angel Moroni never would have taken the risk of enthrusting him with the Golden Plates"
"Only Experts in Reformed Egyptian should be allowed to critique the Book of Mormon"
"Joseph Smith can't possibly have been a deceiver.
For if he had been, the Angel Moroni never would have taken the risk of enthrusting him with the Golden Plates"
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Re: Why Does Richard Carrier think that Jesus never existed?
Post #49Earlier you admitted it was a misspelling when you claimed, "The misspelling is not mine." Now you are claiming it isn't a misspelling. Regardless of this contradiction, the man's name is Bart Ehrman.The Nice Centurion wrote: βFri Aug 05, 2022 2:09 am
No misspelling here, and certainly not childish.
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I must assume that knowing is better than not knowing, venturing than not venturing; and that magic and illusion, however rich, however alluring, ultimately weaken the human spirit.
- Irvin D. Yalom
- American Atheists
Not believing isn't the same as believing not.
- wiploc
I must assume that knowing is better than not knowing, venturing than not venturing; and that magic and illusion, however rich, however alluring, ultimately weaken the human spirit.
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Post #50No contradiction far and wide. I between posts gave nearer thougth on it and found the rightconclusion.Tcg wrote: βFri Aug 05, 2022 2:25 amEarlier you admitted it was a misspelling when you claimed, "The misspelling is not mine." Now you are claiming it isn't a misspelling.The Nice Centurion wrote: βFri Aug 05, 2022 2:09 am
No misspelling here, and certainly not childish.
The Nice Centurion wrote: βFri Aug 05, 2022 2:09 am By nearer thought of it I accept this as his official new name. "Professor Errorman and his Students" has a good sound!
Oh no, someone misspelled his name here!
He should be informed that some folks make the error of calling him Ehrman.
βIf you give a man a fish, you feed him for a day. But if you drown a man in a fish pond, he will never have to go hungry againβ
"Only Experts in Reformed Egyptian should be allowed to critique the Book of Mormon"
"Joseph Smith can't possibly have been a deceiver.
For if he had been, the Angel Moroni never would have taken the risk of enthrusting him with the Golden Plates"
"Only Experts in Reformed Egyptian should be allowed to critique the Book of Mormon"
"Joseph Smith can't possibly have been a deceiver.
For if he had been, the Angel Moroni never would have taken the risk of enthrusting him with the Golden Plates"