Is the TALMUD a religious book .

[Artur Axmann]

I'm asking, is the Talmud a book about religious matters ;or is it something else entirely.

And should the women of America ,of all faiths , feel indignant over its contents and its portrayal of the female of the species?

Is the Talmud a book on ;How to succeed in this world without really trying?

And who has to pay for the others to succeed ?

[Heretic Gal]

[Replying to post 8 by Heretic Gal]

Yes, I certainly do.

read what follows: Pearls of wisdom from the TALMUD.Herman Wouk, the very popular Jewish writer, describes the influence of the Talmud as follows:
Can you understand what he's saying here?

Hmm .. you know what? I am actually a big fan of the late, great Herman Wouk, and have read several of his works of fiction, as well as his nonfiction, including "This Is My God". And I never came across any of those quotations you attributed to him. *

Could you please tell me which of his books you found them in, and in what context? (Probably not "Marjorie Morningstar". )

(*though upon further reading of your post, it may be that you allowed Mr. Wouk's very well-written and noble quotation about the Talmud to segue right into the spurious Talmud quotations, without providing enough of a break that one could easily see they were different. My bad, sorry.)

[Artur Axmann]

[Replying to post 11 by Heretic Gal]

Can you understand what he's saying here?

The Talmud is to this day the circulating heart’s blood of the Jewish religion. Whatever laws, customs, or ceremonies we observe — whether we are Orthodox, Conservative, Reform or merely spasmodic sentimentalists — we follow the Talmud. It is our common law.

You asked if I thought they still believed in the ideas of the Talmud and I showed you why I really believe they do

It's not that they can recite the passages by memory ;it's how they engage the ideas of the Talmud into their daily lives ,living with the GOYIM!

[Heretic Gal]

[Replying to post 12 by Artur Axmann]

Once again, I think you are missing the explanations that have been provided to you of what the Talmud actually is. It's not a set of infallible, set-in-stone pronouncements which must always and everywhere be rigidly followed. It's more of an ongoing engagement with, and discussion of, the laws and how they are to be followed.

And it's been ongoing for quite a long time, so of course there are going to be some silly, weird and downright offensive statements in there. You might actually compare it to the vast library of encyclicals issued by the Popes over the past 2,000 years in the Catholic Church, as well as the writings of the Church Fathers in the Eastern Orthodox tradition. Or, in the Protestant traditions, the Commentaries on the Bible which have been written by many different people over the centuries.

In other words, once again, the Talmud is not what you are saying it is.

[Artur Axmann]

[Replying to post 13 by Heretic Gal]

Whatever it is, it's still forms the fundamental basis to their beliefs ,attitudes, and behavior.

And if you look at America today it's not hard to see with terifying certainty how these beliefs are being employed in our social culture.

[Heretic Gal]

[Replying to post 13 by Heretic Gal]

Whatever it is, it's still forms the fundamental basis to their beliefs ,attitudes, and behavior.

And if you look at America today it's not hard to see with terifying certainty how these beliefs are being employed in our social culture.

Does it? Are American Jews marrying three-year-old girls? Are they routinely killing "Gentiles"? Are they traveling to Iowa and taking Instagram photos of farmers having sex with cows?

I know a lot of Jewish people and haven't seen any of this behavior. If you have, perhaps you could provide some actual news stories.

[cnorman18]

[Replying to post 10 by Artur Axmann]

Sort of figured this is where we were going here. The old-timers on the forum know what’s coming. Enjoy….

(Much of the following is lightly edited from a post of mine dating from February of 2009)

First, let me thank you, Artur. I'm going to enjoy this like a good steak. I have dealt with this "information" before, and many times. It's a pleasure do do so again.

The Herman Wouk quote may be accurate; but he never wrote ANY of the scurrilous lies and fabrications that follow it. These “quotes� are, one and all, despicable and contemptible lies, deliberate distortions and mistranslations, and occasionally outright fabrications.

They are only found on blatantly antisemitic websites; Stormfront (a neo-Nazi site), radioislam, JewWatch, and the like. You don't have to take my word for it; pick any of these "quotations" at random, Google it, and take a look at the sites you find.

This particular collection most probably comes from Sherry Shriner's site, where it appears word-for-word. I invite everyone to take a look; you will find much more there, including The Protocols of the Elders of Zion - the notorious and vicious Czarist forgery - presented as factual material; much hysterical ranting about the Illuminati, the New World Order, and hostile aliens - the usual far-right and neo-Nazi smorgasbord of bigotry, paranoia and flat-out insanity. Take a look.

Whatever its source - and I would invite “Artur Axmann� to post a link revealing it, which those who are paying attention have already noted he did not do - this excrement always traces back to the same ultimate source: the work of one I. B. Praniatis, a Russian Orthodox priest and vicious antisemite who published a book entitled The Talmud Unmasked in 1892. It was translated into English in 1939.

Praniatis was exposed as a liar and a fraud, in an antisemitic Czarist court, in the famous 1912 Mendel Beilis trial (upon which Bernard Malamud based his book, later made into a movie, The Fixer). Beilis was charged with the ritual murder of a young boy, and Praniatis was called as a witness for the prosecution. He revealed himself to be utterly ignorant of Hebrew, of which he claimed to be a "professor," and did not, apparently, even know that the bulk of the Talmud is not even written in Hebrew, but in Aramaic.

The Talmud is an enormous work, running to more than fifty folio-sized volumes in English. It is primarily the record of debates among the sages and rabbis of the Exile period and before, and as such includes all kinds of remarks; some are included only to be refuted, and some are given as examples of false teachings and errors. In a work of that size and scope, it isn't hard to find isolated passages that can be held up as horrors. Anyone who is even marginally familiar
With the most basic teachings of Judaism - take note, "Artur" - would never take any of these lies seriously for a single second. Indeed, taking them seriously at all is prima facie evidence of having a serious problem with an irrational and visceral hatred of Jews as Jews.

There are several sites which debunk this execrable collection of lies; this, linked again below, is one of the best.

Just for fun, let's take a look at a few of these and see how this stuff works. These in particular are favorites of Jew-haters, and, before examination at least, among the most shocking:

Sanhedrin 55b . A Jew may marry a three year old girl (specifically, three years "and a day" old).

Sanhedrin 54b . A Jew may have sex with a child as long as the child is less than nine years old.

Kethuboth 11b . "When a grown-up man has intercourse with a little girl it is nothing."

From a page on the site linked above, here (reading the entire entry is advised):

Talmud Ketuvot 11b (The citation mentioned is evidently in error. Talmud Yevamot 11b has no relevant passage)

....This is what was meant - an adult male who has relations with a female child has not done anything because less than this [three years old] is like sticking a.finger into an eyeball.

While those unused to these Talmudic discussions might be taken aback by the use of euphemisms, the discussion here relates to the dowry for virgins and non-virgins. It has nothing to do with what acts are allowed, encouraged, forbidden, or discouraged....

The Talmud relates that a virgin is entitled a higher dowry. While the tell-tale sign of virginity is the release of blood due to the breaking of the hymen on the wedding night, there are occasions when the hymen has already been broken such as when the woman suffered an injury.... The Talmud continues and quotes Rava as saying that a sexual act between a male adult and a female under the age of three is also not considered a loss of virginity (although it is child abuse). Since the girl is too young for her hymen to be broken, she is still considered a virgin.

Nowhere is the Talmud permitting such behavior. Sex outside of a marriage is strictly forbidden (Maimonides, Mishneh Torah, Hilchot Ishut 1:4, Hilchot Na'arah Betulah 2:17; Shulchan Aruch, Even HaEzer 26:1, 177:5) as is this obvious case of child abuse. The Talmud is only discussing ex post facto what would happen if such a case arose.

In other words: a sexually abused child is not required to suffer a penalty for being abused. How horrible. How inhuman.

Does anyone here think that this "quotation," as presented here, is an innocent error or a misunderstanding?

I could go into the rest of these blatant libels and lies, but I think I’ll just refer everyone to the site linked above, which I post again here:

The Real Truth about the Talmud

You will find every single one of the quotes from “Artur’s� post there. Prepare to be shocked -- by the deliberate and calculated dishonesty of this material.

Thanks, “Artur� — for revealing the quality of your sources about Judaism and the kind of sites you consider trustworthy.

I could say more, but this forum forbids foul language, even when it is richly deserved. It will have to be enough to say again, as I have on numerous occasions before, that this kind of thing is the worst of the worst, the direct cause of the murder and persecution of hundreds of thousands of my people, and fuel for the most horrific kind of bigotry and hatred. It is unrelievedly and unredeemably evil, has no place in ethical and civil discourse among ANY people, and is truly an abomination in the mouth of anyone who professes to be religious.

A bit of prevention here; the usual answer to this kind of debunking and exposure is something along the lines of, "All these so-called refutations come from books and websites written by Jews."

Well, that is true; and notice the hidden assumption in that objection - "Jews routinely lie to Gentiles about the teachings of their religion." If that argument is actually offered, any doubts about the issue of "antisemitism" in these posts is inarguably settled.

These monstrous lies and libels ought to be abhorred by anyone with a grain of moral consciousness.

[Artur Axmann]

[Replying to post 13 by Heretic Gal]

Whatever it is, it's still forms the fundamental basis to their beliefs ,attitudes, and behavior.

And if you look at America today it's not hard to see with terifying certainty how these beliefs are being employed in our social culture.

Does it? Are American Jews marrying three-year-old girls? Are they routinely killing "Gentiles"? Are they traveling to Iowa and taking Instagram photos of farmers having sex with cows?

I know a lot of Jewish people and haven't seen any of this behavior. If you have, perhaps you could provide some actual news stories.

Of course ,I'm not saying all believe or agree with what is written ;in fact I'm referring to attitude, and beliefs ..

These attitudes and beliefs can be traced to the perversions and bestality and underage depravity found in america's thriving porn industrty . A business clearly
part and parcel of the overarching Hollywood and entertainment media ; Under their control.

[Heretic Gal]

[Replying to post 13 by Heretic Gal]

Whatever it is, it's still forms the fundamental basis to their beliefs ,attitudes, and behavior.

And if you look at America today it's not hard to see with terifying certainty how these beliefs are being employed in our social culture.

Does it? Are American Jews marrying three-year-old girls? Are they routinely killing "Gentiles"? Are they traveling to Iowa and taking Instagram photos of farmers having sex with cows?

I know a lot of Jewish people and haven't seen any of this behavior. If you have, perhaps you could provide some actual news stories.

Of course ,I'm not saying all believe or agree with what is written ;in fact I'm referring to attitude, and beliefs ..

Do the Jews have the attitude that it's OK to marry three-year-old girls, kill Gentiles and laugh at rutting cow farmers?

These attitudes and beliefs can be traced to the perversions and bestality and underage depravity found in america's thriving porn industrty . A business clearly
part and parcel of the overarching Hollywood and entertaient media ; Under their control.

You mean like those perverted Three Stooges? (I actually loved those guys. )

There's a wonderful article by Ben Stein called "Do Jews Run Hollywood?" (http://rense.com/general21/bet.htm) which you may want to peruse. This quote in particular makes a great point:

I marvel that when people criticize the auto industry for making trucks that catch fire when they are struck and cars that turn over on a turn, no one ever says "the gentile auto industry." No one calls the pharmaceutical industry sinister or attacks it as alien even though it turns out a lot of pills that addict people.

[Artur Axmann]

[Replying to post 18 by Heretic Gal]

The Talmud is far worse than anything the Goyim can ever dream of doing.

[Heretic Gal]

[Replying to post 18 by Heretic Gal]

The Talmud is far worse than anything the Goyim can ever dream of doing.

Really? Is it worse than cruelly and systematically putting to death an entire race of people in painful and humiliating ways? You're entitled to your opinion, but I disagree.