The story of Lot tells us that a couple of angels visited Lot and that a gay mob demanded they be brought out so they could have their way with them. Lot then did the absolutely atrocious act of offering up his daughters to them to protect the angels.
The question I have about this story and I can never get a straight answer is why would angels need to be protected anyway? Angels are spiritual beings and even if they somehow manifested in human bodies I still don't see what harm could possibly befall them.
So why did these angels need to be protected from the angry gay mob?
Why would angels need protecting from a raging mob?
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Why would angels need protecting from a raging mob?
Post #1Society and its morals evolve and will continue to evolve. The bible however remains the same and just requires more and more apologetics and claims of "metaphors" and "symbolism" to justify it.
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They didn't need to be protected (though they had manifested physical bodies). That does not mean that Lot knew this, at least not at first, or that he knew they were angels (rather than men from God, or just simply strangers passing through the city that he hoped to protect), and simply took them into his house and tried to protect them from the mob.
He learned soon enough that they did not need protection, but rather, they protected Lot and his family.
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He learned soon enough that they did not need protection, but rather, they protected Lot and his family.
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Re: Why would angels need protecting from a raging mob?
Post #4[Replying to post 1 by OnceConvinced]
God needs to destroy a city, don't get in the way of the plot.
If I recall, Lot knew they were angels.
But look at what that says about homosexuals. Destroying an entire because everyone had an alternative lifestyle?
All of them were evil? I hope it wasn't because of one determining variable.
God needs to destroy a city, don't get in the way of the plot.
If I recall, Lot knew they were angels.
But look at what that says about homosexuals. Destroying an entire because everyone had an alternative lifestyle?
All of them were evil? I hope it wasn't because of one determining variable.
I will never understand how someone who claims to know the ultimate truth, of God, believes they deserve respect, when they cannot distinguish it from a fairy-tale.
You know, science and logic are hard: Religion and fairy tales might be more your speed.
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If inhabitants were exclusively homosexual a wise god would realize that it need not do anything to depopulate a city -- simply wait one generation.
If inhabitants were exclusively homosexual a wise god would realize that it need not do anything to depopulate a city -- simply wait one generation.
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Re: Why would angels need protecting from a raging mob?
Post #6[Replying to post 1 by OnceConvinced]
They didn't
They didn't
The situation was resolved without violence. Indeed if they had intended to rape these angels then a punishment should be levied, however death seems a bit extreme especially in the context of killing everyone else who was not involved.11Then they struck the men who were at the door of the house, young and old, with blindness so that they could not find the door.
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Moderator CommentInigo Montoya wrote: I don't believe a word of that, but that was a perfect answer. Kudos.
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Ah, yes. I don't believe a word of Tam's explanation because angels, gods and stories in the bible can't be shown to be anything other than stories. Apologies. It really was a fine answer on her part though.
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Re: Why would angels need protecting from a raging mob?
Post #9[Replying to post 1 by OnceConvinced]
If memory serves (which, at my age, may be failing) but didn't Lot offer up his daughters to these people? And God was A OK with this but not the peopel of the city?!?!
Really?
Seems to me God was more concerned with his angels than with Lot's innocent daughters.
Sniff sniff...something's fishy with this story
Again, if memory serves
If memory serves (which, at my age, may be failing) but didn't Lot offer up his daughters to these people? And God was A OK with this but not the peopel of the city?!?!
Really?
Seems to me God was more concerned with his angels than with Lot's innocent daughters.
Sniff sniff...something's fishy with this story
Again, if memory serves
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Moderator ClarificationInigo Montoya wrote: Ah, yes. I don't believe a word of Tam's explanation because angels, gods and stories in the bible can't be shown to be anything other than stories. Apologies. It really was a fine answer on her part though.
Hi IM,
The issue really isn't just a one liner because here you are simply adding words to the same idea and still violating the one liner ethos. The issue is that this thread is presuming the Bible and therefore God and it does not care about what we believe. It is not fair to the topic to then have people air their views on what they believe about God or anything.
It's basically off topic.
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