Christian Exodus

[McCulloch]

http://www.christianexodus.org/
ChristianExodus.org is moving thousands of Christians to South Carolina to reestablish constitutionally limited government founded upon Christian principles. It is evident that the U.S. Constitution has been abandoned under our current federal system, and the efforts of Christian activism to restore our Godly republic have proven futile over the past three decades. The time has come for Christian Constitutionalists to protect our liberties in a State like South Carolina by interposing the State's sovereign authority retained under the 10th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution.

Is this a true expression of Christianity?

[The Persnickety Platypus]

There is all ready a town in Florida where the local legislature acts as a theocracy. I believe it was founded by some big business CEO.


Anyone know what town this is?

The time has come for Christian Constitutionalists to protect our liberties in a State like South Carolina by interposing the State's sovereign authority retained under the 10th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution.

Too bad they are going to overhaul the 1st ammendment in the process.

I really hope this whole theocracy craze is just a fad. Please, someone who's been around longer than I have, tell me, have there been any other right-winged movements like this over the past few decades?

It's starting to get a little scary.

[bernee51]

There is all ready a town in Florida where the local legislature acts as a theocracy. I believe it was founded by some big business CEO.


Anyone know what town this is?

I think it is planned rather than extant. I garnered a little info here

[1John2_26]

It appears from the Constitution, that these Christians have every right to dow what they are doing:

United States Constitution

Bill of Rights

Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;

or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press;

or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.


Amendment II

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.


Amendment III

No soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.


Amendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.


Amendment V

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.


Amendment VI

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.


Amendment VII

In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise reexamined in any court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.


Amendment VIII

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.


Amendment IX

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.


Amendment X

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.

[The Persnickety Platypus]

John, I don't understand. What regarding the 10th ammendment suddenly renders the 1st ammendment obsolete?


Church run legislatures are prohibited, period. The state and the people mentioned in the 10th ammendment, try as they will, cannot abolish this precedent, being that it is a standard established on the NATIONAL level.


Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion.


The 1st ammendment does not stutter.

[1John2_26]

John, I don't understand. What regarding the 10th ammendment suddenly renders the 1st ammendment obsolete?


Church run legislatures are prohibited, period. The state and the people mentioned in the 10th ammendment, try as they will, cannot abolish this precedent, being that it is a standard established on the NATIONAL level.


Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion.


The 1st ammendment does not stutter.

Though it seems you do.

The federal government can do nothing "respecting the establishment of religion." That gives any state the right to vote in a religion to guide its laws. Or to establish a religion as its laws. No one can do anything about that.

Also, secession is absolutely OK. America is rapidly approaching the course of human events for good states to seperate from whatever America has become.

You should approve of that seeing what your buddy Chavez is doing.

[Wyvern]

The federal government can do nothing "respecting the establishment of religion." That gives any state the right to vote in a religion to guide its laws. Or to establish a religion as its laws. No one can do anything about that.

John you appear to misread the first amendment, it says respecting the ESTABLISHMENT of religion, that means that NO state can give precedence of one religion over any other because that would be ESTABLISHING a state religion. This also means that no religious laws can be ESTABLISHED as state or federal law since this also would imply a state religion. I capitalized all versions of the word establish since you seem to ignore it. It doesn't mean religious establishments, it means the establishment of religion.

Also, secession is absolutely OK. America is rapidly approaching the course of human events for good states to seperate from whatever America has become.

Although economically this would be a good thing for a large part of the country, don't fool yourself, it's not gonna happen. It doesn't matter if its ok or not, Lincoln wouldn't allow it during the civil war and that set the precedent.

[Bugmaster]

As I recall, there was a similar yet diametrically opposed movement, whose goal was to establish a libertarian state. Anyone know what happened to it ? I can't remember their name off the top of my head, but I think it may have been the Free State Project.

Anyway, I don't see what these movements (both of them) hope to accomplish. Their states will still be subject to federal law, right ?

[The Persnickety Platypus]

In addition to what Wyvern pointed out, I would like to inquire as to what you (John) find so redeeming in a system of theocracy.

Was Middle Age Catholic Europe what you consider to be a model society? Puritan New England? The Middle East?

There is a good reason why there are no more Christian theocracies left, you know. The social and economic status of Muslim nations who have embraced secularism as opposed to those who remain religiously controlled is also very telling.

[1John2_26]

In addition to what Wyvern pointed out, I would like to inquire as to what you (John) find so redeeming in a system of theocracy.

Billy Graham. The billions and billions of poor and hungry supported by Christians worldwide. Hospitals founded by Christians serving anyone. Stuff like that.

Was Middle Age Catholic Europe what you consider to be a model society? Puritan New England? The Middle East?

The ones where the populace could read and "study" ALL things. Hardly the legacy of the dark ages. Or San Francisco yesterday.

There is a good reason why there are no more Christian theocracies left, you know.

The lessons learned from studying about ignorant people not knowing the words of the New Testament. I see we are heading back to the darkness.

The social and economic status of Muslim nations who have embraced secularism as opposed to those who remain religiously controlled is also very telling.

Capitalism and free trade is awesome. Also the Christians not shot or imprisoned in the "secular Muslim countries of uh, umm, uhhhh, errrr, - a need a little help here PP - uh, err, umm . . .

If secularists opened their closed minds and also, allow for the free exchange of ideas (and Christian music radio), then most of the world will be Born-Agian Christians in no time at all.

Of course the porn puryeyors may have a hard time coming on board but I'm sure will have their buddies to hang with. There are a lot of college professors out there.

History is a good guide to world affairs if we get to hear the truth.