What news did Jesus actually bring?

[marco]

Jesus came to give us good news. Jesus died and the world moved on. Given that some say he was God, one would expect he had something profound to tell us. He may have had cures for some illnesses -but he didn't pass them on to us. He gave us no information that science could use. Before him good men were good and bad men were bad.

a. Did Jesus tell us anything we could not have figured out for ourselves?

b. If someone in the 21st century were to ask: What was his message, in clear terms, what might the reply be?

[GTO50]

Given that some say he was God, one would expect he had something profound to tell us.

Everything He did was profound
to some degree or another.

[GTO50]

He may have had cures for some illnesses -but he didn't pass them on to us. He gave us no information that science could use. Before him good men were good and bad men were bad.

You can only speak for yourself.

[GTO50]

a. Did Jesus tell us anything we could not have figured out for ourselves?

Even that which He told you,
you cannot figure out on your own.

[GTO50]

b. If someone in the 21st century were to ask: What was his message, in clear terms, what might the reply be?

Spirit and truth.

[bluethread]

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Well, he does address the issue do due process, but He does not challenge those commandments directly. However, what is referred to as the "good news" does not address specific commandments, but the underlying principles of The Promise and the reconciliation of Israel and Yehudah to Adonai.

Well that takes us back to the land of the nebulous. It seems that Jesus had extreme difficulty in saying exactly what he meant. As long as the Promise can mean pay back in several millennia, then what's the point for people alive today? What does an Australian care about Israel and Yehudah? Was Christ's message just a local broadcast, relevant only to the years around his own time? It would seem so.

Well, if the Australian wishes to be identified with Israel and Yehudah, then he would care. If he doesn't he wouldn't. Yeshua said what he meant, he just said it in the context of the culture in which He lived, just as we do today. His message is to those who have "ears to hear", i.e. those who are interested in what He had to say, not what they wanted Him to say, and are wiling to see it in the historical, grammatical and cultural context in which it was given.

[marco]

Jesus came to give us good news.

Not really.

One of the cardinal virtues here is we expand on our thoughts and answering in a single line, or with just two words, is not the kind of play we play.

Could you elaborate on your statements?

[GTO50]

Jesus came to give us good news.

Not really.

One of the cardinal virtues here is we expand on our thoughts and answering in a single line, or with just two words, is not the kind of play we play.

Could you elaborate on your statements?

Not really, Jesus came to give them the bad news.

The bad news being that most all will be cast into hell.
Even most all of those who thought themselves as to
be God's chosen people.

[marco]

Well, if the Australian wishes to be identified with Israel and Yehudah, then he would care. If he doesn't he wouldn't. Yeshua said what he meant, he just said it in the context of the culture in which He lived, just as we do today. His message is to those who have "ears to hear", i.e. those who are interested in what He had to say, not what they wanted Him to say, and are wiling to see it in the historical, grammatical and cultural context in which it was given.

That's fine. You have localised Christ to the point of insignificance and if he has anything of relevance to say today it is found by extracting from his statements some meaning that probably was never imagined in his time and culture.

When we give important messages today they are relevant to humanity and are understood outside of the language and country in which they are delivered. We have not extracted from Christ's reported words anything that could be said that is worthwhile to our modern society. They don't help.

[GTO50]

Jesus came to give us good news.

Not really.

One of the cardinal virtues here is we expand on our thoughts and answering in a single line, or with just two words, is not the kind of play we play.

Could you elaborate on your statements?

Not really, Jesus came to give them the bad news.

The bad news being that most all will be cast into hell.
Even most all of those who thought themselves as to
be God's chosen people.

Which is good news to me.

[marco]

Not really, Jesus came to give them the bad news.

The bad news being that most all will be cast into hell.
Even most all of those who thought themselves as to
be God's chosen people.

That's a point of view. Many are called but not a lot get in. I think this is what he said incidentally but it's hardly the purpose of his visitation, else his parables would have been more pessimistic. The meek and the poor would still weep.

However, if you do think he came to cause a general depression he's only partly succeeded, for lots of his followers are pretty excited about what he said.