Blastcat wrote:If you say that mystics have met your burden of proof, do you believe everyone who claims to BE a mystic?
Okay then BlastcatJLB32168 wrote: There are many, many, many mystics from different religions. I conclude that most likely all of them are experiencing some supernatural event. I also conclude that only some of them are experiencing supernatural events informed by the Christian deity â€“ whom I regard as the only deity proper.
My understanding has increased.
I see now there is already a little sub-argument going on about the supernaturality of mystic events like Jesus Christ experiences. Looks like I blundered right into it.
It seems you disagree with my theory being naturalistic because it involves Jesus Christ experiences.
Mate all you had to do was say that you disagreed and then argued your point. You didn't really have to quote the dictionary at me. That was rather rude. My English literacy is superb.
But tragically, there was then a mis-communication between us two.
My lack of interest in word debates was because I just use the accepted standard dictionary meanings. Why would anyone want to argue ? That's all I meant.
Unfortunately, we must have had a bad line, and you accidentally mis-heard me as if I insisted on some different meaning, and refused to talk about it, or something.
But I hope that little slip is all behind us now.
I can confirm that of course I use words like 'naturalistic' in their standard ways - and in this case it all boils to 'natural' obviously meaning in 'nature'.
Thus, my short useful definition amounts to :
natural = found in nature.
What do you think about that ?
let's get back on track -
Please explain to me your view about the supernaturality of Jesus Christ experiences.
Did Paul have a Jesus Christ experience or not ?
Was it natural or supernatural ?
I know a woman who claims she had a life-changing Jesus Christ experience.
Was that a supernatural experience ?
You said you had had several too.
Were they supernatural ?
what is it about a Jesus Christ experience that makes it supernatural - i.e. 'above nature' ?
Hmmm ... surely not all Jesus Christ experiences are supernatural ?
I sometimes visualise, or imagine, or even day-dream about Jesus Christ. Obviously that is not a supernatural experience, right ?
What about a deep meditation trance in which Jesus Christ seems to speak to my very heart ?
Is that possibly supernatural ?
How about an over-whelming shaft of immensely powerful white light from above that suddenly transfixes me with divine energy as I serve at the altar right at the climax of the Catholic eucharist service, changing my whole life's direction ?
That sounds supernatural, right ?
Can you give use some guidance on where the dividing line between natural and supernatural lies ?
Perhaps if you describe your Jesus Christ experiences as examples ?