Proof of the Christian God

[RonE]

In a current topic there was the following post:

Merely saying something is true does not make it true….
We as humans like to have proof.
Gullible people accept things, because it suits them…

And yet theists continue to claim that a creator being exists and that it made everything, despite repeatedly failing to provide any evidence to substantiate the claim....

I’ve seen other posts in the past on this site where theist claim to have scientific evidence of God. I never seen this actually done, usually their evidence is never presented, if something is presented it is invariably misquoted, or doesn’t say what the presenter claims it does.
So, to help us not be “gullible people�. This topic will be dedicated to theists to provide that which has been claimed but never provided, to my knowledge, real scientific evidence of the Christian god.
First, some definitions and parameters for debate:
1. Scientific evidence is evidence which serves to either support, or counter, a scientific theory or hypothesis. Such evidence is expected to be empirical evidence and interpreted in accordance with scientific methods. Standards for scientific evidence vary according to the field of inquiry, but the strength of scientific evidence is generally based on the results of statistical analysis and the strength of scientific controls applied. Wikipedia
2. The scientific hypothesis you will be trying to support with your evidence goes like this: “there is a god as defined in the Christian bible who is omnificent, omnipotent, omniscient, etc. and creator of the universe�.
3. This is not a debate about evolution, disproving evolution is not a proof that your god exists. Nor is it about attempting to debunk other scientific hypothesis or theories, unless doing so is direct proof that your god exists, disproving the theory of gravity is not evidence of your god.
4. Please follow the forum rules. “the Bible or other religious writings are not to be considered evidence for scientific claims.�

The rules for this debate are simple:
1) present your scientific evidence of your god
2) see #1

If you don’t have the evidence, please don’t waste everyone’s time.
If you don't like the OP create one for your own topic.

[Neatras]

[Replying to post 1 by RonE]

It's no good, Ron. theStudent is the kind of person for whom the scientific process is nothing more than a scapegoat for him to parade his anti-intellectual egotistical grandstanding about how deluded we all are for believing in evolution.

He makes the sweeping claims that literally all evidence in the entire universe is automatically evidence for Creationism, and will resort to the same arguments from complexity and incredulity to try and pass off any criticism. It's a sick game he's playing, and one that has expertly slipped under the radar of the forum's rules under the guise of friendly debate. In reality, he uses it as his own personal hammer to smack down all evidence to the contrary by asserting that it isn't even evidence at all, because it doesn't explain some arbitrary point that wasn't even related to the discussion.

This is what I expect to see, and what I anticipate will follow from this OP's premise. It's hopeless.

[RonE]

[Replying to post 2 by Neatras]

Yes, your exactly correct. I don't really expect him to show up but hope he does.

[JLB32168]

The rules for this debate are simple:
1) present your scientific evidence of your god
2) see #1

Present evidence produced by the systematic study of the structure and behavior of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment of your entity whose existence is attributed to some force beyond scientific understanding or the laws of nature.

I’ll get right on that.

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[Replying to post 2 by Neatras]


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[RonE]

[Replying to post 4 by JLB32168]

The rules for this debate are simple:
1) present your scientific evidence of your god
2) see #1

Present evidence produced by the systematic study of the structure and behavior of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment of your entity whose existence is attributed to some force beyond scientific understanding or the laws of nature.

I’ll get right on that.

Good, by the way you might see if there is something you can do to backup your claims that your god exists in the supernatural world, some evidence that such a thing exists for your god to exist in. Get it? Extraordinary claims require... ah you know the rest.

[JLB32168]

Good, by the way you might see if there is something you can do to backup your claims that your god exists in the supernatural world, some evidence that such a thing exists for your god to exist in. Get it? Extraordinary claims require... ah you know the rest.

Supernatural claims cannot be verified by natural methods. If they could then they wouldn’t be called “supernatural.�

I can’t prove God exists. Is the fact that you don’t have proof; therefore, you don’t believe He does exist, supposed to be of some import to me?

[JoeyKnothead]

From Post 7:

Supernatural claims cannot be verified by natural methods. If they could then they wouldn’t be called “supernatural.�

I submit they can't be verified by any means.

I can’t prove God exists.

I've yet to find anyone that could.

Is the fact that you don’t have proof; therefore, you don’t believe He does exist, supposed to be of some import to me?

I propose that if it weren't important to you, you wouldn't have posted twice now in this thread.

Don't it beat all, the Christian finds it so important to tell us all about their favored god, they just don't find it important to show they speak truth.

[JoeyKnothead]

From Post 2:

Paraphrasing to eliminate reference to any individual...

It's no good, Ron. [Some theists are] the kind of person for whom the scientific process is nothing more than a scapegoat for him to parade his anti-intellectual egotistical grandstanding about how deluded we all are for believing in evolution.

We shouldn't be too shocked when the promoters of a book so full of violence and vitriol for others set to violencin' and vitriolin'. They know no better, poor things.

[They make] the sweeping claims that literally all evidence in the entire universe is automatically evidence for Creationism, and will resort to the same arguments from complexity and incredulity to try and pass off any criticism. It's a sick game he's playing, and one that has expertly slipped under the radar of the forum's rules under the guise of friendly debate. In reality, he uses it as his own personal hammer to smack down all evidence to the contrary by asserting that it isn't even evidence at all, because it doesn't explain some arbitrary point that wasn't even related to the discussion.

That ain't no hammer, it's a rubber mallet, incapable of driving nails in the coffin of science.

This is what I expect to see, and what I anticipate will follow from this OP's premise. It's hopeless.

I predict you've effectively headed off such arguments. And, I find it fun just watchin' 'em flail about, nothing hopeless in that

[Zzyzx]

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I can’t prove God exists. Is the fact that you don’t have proof; therefore, you don’t believe He does exist, supposed to be of some import to me?

It IS important in honorable, reasoned debate to avoid making claims that cannot be shown to be true and accurate.

Joey says it well