I've seen God called by different names. As much as I know, the consonants for his name are given in the OT, but the vowels are missing.
Does anyone here claim to know what the vowels are and thus the proper pronunciation of God's name. Or is it a mystery that will remain unknown?
God's Actual Name
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Post #51
[Replying to B Bob]
From Acts 2: Peter Preaches to the Crowd
…33 Exalted, then, to the right hand of God, He has received from the Father the promised Holy Spirit and has poured out what you now see and hear. 34 For David did not ascend into heaven, but he himself says: ‘The Lord said to my Lord, Sit at My right hand, 35 until I make Your enemies a footstool for Your feet.’…
From Acts 2: Peter Preaches to the Crowd
…33 Exalted, then, to the right hand of God, He has received from the Father the promised Holy Spirit and has poured out what you now see and hear. 34 For David did not ascend into heaven, but he himself says: ‘The Lord said to my Lord, Sit at My right hand, 35 until I make Your enemies a footstool for Your feet.’…
Post #52
[Replying to post 51 by Monta]
Two comments regarding this scripture:
1) to sit at the right hand is to sit in the seat of power. Jesus Christ is the the power of God and the wisdom of God (I Cor 1:24).
2) Jesus, is the son of David, yet He is David's Lord. David's Lord is Jehovah of the OT and this scripture reveals Jesus Christ is Jehovah of the OT, come in the flesh.
Two comments regarding this scripture:
1) to sit at the right hand is to sit in the seat of power. Jesus Christ is the the power of God and the wisdom of God (I Cor 1:24).
2) Jesus, is the son of David, yet He is David's Lord. David's Lord is Jehovah of the OT and this scripture reveals Jesus Christ is Jehovah of the OT, come in the flesh.
Post #53
Lots of twisting, I still don't quite grasp it**B Bob wrote: [Replying to post 51 by Monta]
Two comments regarding this scripture:
1) to sit at the right hand is to sit in the seat of power. Jesus Christ is the the power of God and the wisdom of God (I Cor 1:24).
2) Jesus, is the son of David, yet He is David's Lord. David's Lord is Jehovah of the OT and this scripture reveals Jesus Christ is Jehovah of the OT, come in the flesh.
" For David did not ascend into heaven, but he himself says: ‘The Lord said to my Lord, Sit at My right hand, until I make Your enemies a footstool for Your feet.’…"
Does Christ come into it but then there was Divinity of the Father in him (Jesus).
Post #54
[Replying to Monta]
No twisting.
Christ is the invisible God who conceived Himself as man (the firstborn over all creation. Christ is not a separate being from God Almighty. He is the God Almighty (the Father). He is God Almighty, who is the self existing one, taking on the human form He chose for Himself as the firstborn over all creation.
Man was originally made in the sinless image and according to the likeness of the firstborn over all creation; Jesus Christ, whom came into the world in the fullness of time came with the purpose to reconcile all creation to Himself. Look at the similarities of man and Christ. In the beginning (Christ is the beginning), Adam and Eve were made in the sinless image of Jesus Christ. Adam was made outside of the Garden of Eden and placed in the garden of Eden (The garden is a type and shadow of the current heaven, that is reserved for fire, at the time God made Adam. We know this because the knowledge of sin (good and evil) is there. I am not saying sin resides in heaven, I am saying the knowledge of sin is in the current heaven because Satan and a third of the angels were the first to sin against God. (However, in the n ew heaven and earth, the knowledge of sin will know longer be present, because sin and death will be defeated and will be remembered no more (Isa 65:17)
Even though man (Adam and Eve) was without sin, they were subjected to temptation to sin and death if they disobeyed the command of the Lord God: see (Gen 2:16) -disobedience is equated with unbelief in what God said.
They were banished from the Garden so they could be saved. Had they stayed in the Garden they would have eaten the fruit of the tree of life and live forever in their fallen state. So God, shed the blood of innocent animals and covered their nakedness (sin). This allowed God to not see their sin, but to see His atonement (the covering is the type and shadow of the atonement of Lamb of God: Jesus Christ).
The good news is we don't serve a God that desires us to die - see 2 Sam 14:14 "Like water spilled on the ground, which cannot be recovered, so we must die. But that is not what God desires; rather, he devises ways so that a banished person does not remain banished from him.
Now Christ, died for our sins, was buried, and resurrected from the grave overcoming sin and death. Christ no longer has a physical body operated by blood (it was shed, once and for all). However, He has a physical body of flesh and bone operated by the Spirit. We don't know how this body is able to be both spirit and flesh, but we will know in the resurrection of the living (1 John 3:2, Psa 17:. Job 19:26, Matt 5:8).
These scriptures and many others declare that man will be restored and be created in the sinless image and likeness of God again. The God that we will be made like in the end is the same God we were made like in the beginning; Jesus Christ, the resurrected Glory of God. He is the beginning and end (Rev 1:8, 11. 21:6, 22:13)
To be save, we only need to believe what the word of God says and obey it with Faith. These things are not possible with men, but with God all things are possible.
No twisting.
Christ is the invisible God who conceived Himself as man (the firstborn over all creation. Christ is not a separate being from God Almighty. He is the God Almighty (the Father). He is God Almighty, who is the self existing one, taking on the human form He chose for Himself as the firstborn over all creation.
Man was originally made in the sinless image and according to the likeness of the firstborn over all creation; Jesus Christ, whom came into the world in the fullness of time came with the purpose to reconcile all creation to Himself. Look at the similarities of man and Christ. In the beginning (Christ is the beginning), Adam and Eve were made in the sinless image of Jesus Christ. Adam was made outside of the Garden of Eden and placed in the garden of Eden (The garden is a type and shadow of the current heaven, that is reserved for fire, at the time God made Adam. We know this because the knowledge of sin (good and evil) is there. I am not saying sin resides in heaven, I am saying the knowledge of sin is in the current heaven because Satan and a third of the angels were the first to sin against God. (However, in the n ew heaven and earth, the knowledge of sin will know longer be present, because sin and death will be defeated and will be remembered no more (Isa 65:17)
Even though man (Adam and Eve) was without sin, they were subjected to temptation to sin and death if they disobeyed the command of the Lord God: see (Gen 2:16) -disobedience is equated with unbelief in what God said.
They were banished from the Garden so they could be saved. Had they stayed in the Garden they would have eaten the fruit of the tree of life and live forever in their fallen state. So God, shed the blood of innocent animals and covered their nakedness (sin). This allowed God to not see their sin, but to see His atonement (the covering is the type and shadow of the atonement of Lamb of God: Jesus Christ).
The good news is we don't serve a God that desires us to die - see 2 Sam 14:14 "Like water spilled on the ground, which cannot be recovered, so we must die. But that is not what God desires; rather, he devises ways so that a banished person does not remain banished from him.
Now Christ, died for our sins, was buried, and resurrected from the grave overcoming sin and death. Christ no longer has a physical body operated by blood (it was shed, once and for all). However, He has a physical body of flesh and bone operated by the Spirit. We don't know how this body is able to be both spirit and flesh, but we will know in the resurrection of the living (1 John 3:2, Psa 17:. Job 19:26, Matt 5:8).
These scriptures and many others declare that man will be restored and be created in the sinless image and likeness of God again. The God that we will be made like in the end is the same God we were made like in the beginning; Jesus Christ, the resurrected Glory of God. He is the beginning and end (Rev 1:8, 11. 21:6, 22:13)
To be save, we only need to believe what the word of God says and obey it with Faith. These things are not possible with men, but with God all things are possible.
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Post #55
No, that's not what I said in the post, and that's not what the scriptures say. Did you even read Psalm 110? JEHOVAH IS SPEAKING TO THE MESSIAH, JESUS, so how can Jesus be the God of the Old Testament?B Bob wrote: [Replying to post 45 by onewithhim]
Ok, I didn't see this post. You are correct, Jesus is something more. He is the Lord God of the Old Testament, come in the flesh.
Post #56
[Replying to post 55 by onewithhim]
Let us begin again with my Post #93. Please respond to it with your comments
Let us begin again with my Post #93. Please respond to it with your comments
Post #57
[Replying to post 54 by B Bob]
"They were banished from the Garden so they could be saved. Had they stayed in the Garden they would have eaten the fruit of the tree of life and live forever in their fallen state."
That's another gem I picked up from your post.
You wouldn't have your insights packed on one page somewhere perhaps?
"They were banished from the Garden so they could be saved. Had they stayed in the Garden they would have eaten the fruit of the tree of life and live forever in their fallen state."
That's another gem I picked up from your post.
You wouldn't have your insights packed on one page somewhere perhaps?
Post #58
[Replying to Monta]
Thank you. I now know what has happened. I am new to posting and I didn't realize that responses were coming from different posts, but often from the same people. Therefore, my response were to different topics and the topics I though I responded to.
I need to think on how I can straightgen this out.
Thank you. I now know what has happened. I am new to posting and I didn't realize that responses were coming from different posts, but often from the same people. Therefore, my response were to different topics and the topics I though I responded to.
I need to think on how I can straightgen this out.
Post #59
[Replying to post 57 by Monta]
I posted on three threads:
- The Challenge for the trinity
- God's Actual Name
- Doctrine of God
These are a copy of almost all of them. Please note the concepts presented are explained with the support of scripture. I firmly believe that we must base our knowledge and understanding, not on what we think, but on the word of God.
My posts:
Post 117: Sat Sep 10, 2016 6:30 pm Re: CLEAR CHALLENGES FOR THE TRINITY DOCTRINE
I have a question for both the trinitarian and the Jehovah witness.
Gen 1:26-27: vs. 26 says God declared to make man in his own image and according to His likeness. vs. 27 confirms He did.
First question for the trinitarian:
If God is a trinity of persons (three separate persons with separate wills, minds, etc, yet one in unity). Since we were made in His own image and likeness, why are you,me, and all of mankind not three separate persons with separate wills, etc, yet one in unity?
If one believes the scriptures teach a trinity of three separate persons of God, Gen 1:26-27 requires us to be made in the image and likeness of the trinity of three separate persons, with three separate wills and the ability to communicate with each other separately, and work with each other person of ourselves in unity, does it not?
So, why are we not made as a trinity if the scriptures are true (in which, I believe they are true)?
For the Jehovah witness:
Is God only Spirit or is He flesh also?
Post 125: Mon Sep 12, 2016 5:42 pm Re: CLEAR CHALLENGES FOR THE TRINITY DOCTRINE Reply with quote Reply
[Replying to post 124 by Checkpoint]
Yes, man was formed out of the dust of the ground, but that dust is flesh see Gen 6:3. The breath of life God breathed into man is the same breath of life God breathed into all creatures of the dust of the ground - see Gen 7:22
The breath of life is a type and shadow of Holy Spirit that is baptized into al that truly believe in Jesus Christ).
Post 127: Mon Sep 12, 2016 7:19 pm Re: CLEAR CHALLENGES FOR THE TRINITY DOCTRINE Reply with quote Reply
[Replying to post 126 by Checkpoint]
Jesus is God in the flesh. Have you ever read John 1: 1-14. Is not Jehovah of the Old Testament God? Jesus is the Jehovah of the Old Testament. See Jude 1:4. Jude is the brother of Jesus and he understood Jesus was Jehovah that delivered His people out of Egypt see Jude 1:5.
How much clearer can it be than 1 John 5:20. Jesus is the One True God (Jesus is the Holy Spirit (see Peter 1:11) and Jesus was born of a woman and Jesus was before all things (Col 1:17).
I have given several scripture in this post proving Jesus is the Lord God of both the Nerw Testament and Jesus is the one man was made in the image and likeness of in the beginning (fyi: Jesus is the beginning - see Col 1:18) and He is the end (Rev 1:8, 11, 21:6, 22:13). Jesus is Jehovah Isa 41:4, 44:6, 48:12). Jesus is, Ke who was He whpo is, and He who is evermore (Rev 1:4, 8, Rev 4:8, etc).
I have posted back and forth with several people on here and none have provided scripture to refute all that the Bible says concerning who God is; Jesus Christ, believe it and be saved.
Post 129: Mon Sep 12, 2016 9:50 pm Re: CLEAR CHALLENGES FOR THE TRINITY DOCTRINE Reply with quote Reply
[Replying to post 128 by Checkpoint]
Did you read the scriptures?
The Bible says "And we know that the Son of God has come, and has given us understanding so that we may know Him who is true; and we are in Him who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life." (1 John 5:20).
Post 135: Tue Sep 13, 2016 4:54 am Reply with quote Reply
[Replying to tigger2]
or, it means exactly what the word of God says! Jesu Christ is the One True God. The only reason to ignore the obvious is to not believe what God says.
The Father of Jesus is God Himself, coming in the flesh; Jesus Christ. A trinitarian scholar is a scholar of a post biblical doctrine that is errant, leading away from who God truly is; Jesus Christ. Therefore, it is no wonder someone that doesn't believe the word of God actually means what He says, would look at other probabilities that are possibilities, leading away form the stated truth.
Somehow, folks just cannot recognize that God, who is Spirit, could or would Father Himself in His creation of Humanity, that was created in His own image and according to His likeness. If He did that (and He did), He would then be His own father in His own creation that was created for Him and through Him as the firstborn before all creation. This is the difference between God and man: with God, all things are possible
END OF MY POSTS ON THE CHALLENGE OF THE TRINITY.
BEGINNING OF MY POSTS ON THE “GOD’’s Actual Name�
God's Actual Name Reply with quote Reply
[Replying to post 30 by tigger2]
There are two testaments to God's word in the Bible. They both testify of the same Lord God of Israel. Not two Lords, but two testaments of the same "One Lord God" (Jehovah Elohim). The OT leads us to the testimony and revelation of the Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of all (Acts 10:36). If there is only one Lord, and if Jesus Christ is the Lord of all, then it is now revealed by the NT that Jesus Christ is not only the Lord God of Israel, but Lord of all. This is why John declared Jesus Christ as the one true God (John 5:20). It is also why Jude (the brother of Jesus), declared jesus as our only Lord and master (Jude 1:4) and it was Jesus that lead the people out of the land of Egypt (Jude 1:5).
All the fulness of God (Elohim) permanently abides and permanently abided in Christ before all things (Col 1:17, 19, 2:9). Not if, but since God (Elohim, meaning all that God is) permanently abides in Christ, who is before all things this explains why no one can come to the Father except though Jesus Christ (John 14:6). It also explained how Jesus' own brother called Him our only God and Savior (Jude 1:25) in which the OT Scriptures testify (Psa 106:21, and a multitude of OT Scriptures). It also explains how and why Jesus Christ is the creator and sustainer of all things (Col 1:16-17).
Knowing God created the universe and commanded all things by His word (2 Peter 3:5-7), the one speaking creation into existence is the one and only Lord Jesus Christ (Col 1:16). There can be no other Lord of all.
Post 33: Sun Sep 11, 2016 10:20 pm Re: God's Actual Name Reply with quote Reply
[Replying to post 32 by onewithhim]
I have the same question for you that Jesus asked the Pharisees in Matt 22:41-45 about the Lord of the Old Testament and the Lord of the New Testament (Messiah). They could not answer. Can you?
Matt 22:41-45 Now while the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them a question: 42“What do you think about the Christ, whose son is He?� They said to Him, “The son of David.� 43He said to them, “Then how does David in the Spirit call Him ‘Lord,’ saying,
44‘THE LORD SAID TO MY LORD,
“SIT AT MY RIGHT HAND,
UNTIL I PUT YOUR ENEMIES BENEATH YOUR FEET�’?
45“If David then calls Him ‘Lord,’ how is He his son?� 46No one was able to answer Him a word, nor did anyone dare from that day on to ask Him another question.
Post 34: Sun Sep 11, 2016 10:34 pm Did God really make man in His own image and likeness? Reply with quote Reply
Did God really make man in His own image and likeness?
Believers accept the Bible is the word of God and, as such, is inerrant. Therefore we must take God at His word; Gen 1:26-27 states God made man; male and female in His own image and likeness. In verse 26 God declared a promise to make man in His own image and likeness. Then, in vs. 27, God confirms He made man in His image.
If God is a trinity of three separate persons and we were made in His image and likeness, then why are we not three separate persons? The scripture dictates that we were created in His own image and according to His likeness. Therefore, as much as we are like Him, He also must be like us.
Either these two verses of scripture are not true or God is not a trinity of three separate persons, but like us, one person made up of mind, body, and spirit (soul).
Any thoughts?
Post 36: Mon Sep 12, 2016 7:55 am Re: Did God really make man in His own image and likeness? Reply with quote Reply
[Replying to post 35 by Monta]
Yes, and for good reason. How can we know God if we cannot see Him as He truly is? This question is not just a matter concerning logic but also a matter of how one views the doctrine of God. The Lord God of the Bible views Himself as "One". According to His word, He created us in the image and likeness of His own "One". Not only did He do it in the beginning, but also in the end, we will be raised up from the dead in the image and likeness of our Lord and Savior; Jesus Christ.
I submit we were originally created in the image and likeness of Jesus Christ, who, like us, was subjected to sin and death. I also submit, according to the scriptures, we will again be created (restored) in the image and likeness of the resurrected Jesus Christ (1 John 3:2). This is why John called Jesus Christ the "One True God" (1 John 5:20).
In conclusion, in the beginning we were made in the image and likeness of Jesus Christ. In the end, we will; be restored in the image and likeness of God by the resurrection of Jesus Christ. Is it any longer a mystery who God was in the beginning and who God is in the end? see Rev 1:8, 21:6, 22:13,
Post 41: Mon Sep 12, 2016 2:07 pm Reply with quote Reply
[Replying to post 39 by onewithhim]
Yes and according to Paul, His name is revealed to us as Jesus CHrist (Acts 26:15). Jude knew Him as Jesus (Jude 1:4). Jude also understood Jesus was the Lord that lead His people out of Egypt (Jude 1:5). Jude, was also the brother of Jesus, understood Jesus was Jehovah (Jude 1:25)
Post 44: Mon Sep 12, 2016 2:21 pm Re: God's Actual Name Reply with quote Reply
[Replying to post 43 by onewithhim]
My question is the same question Jesus asked in vs 45 “If David then calls Him ‘Lord,’ how is He his son?�
Post 50: Mon Sep 12, 2016 2:39 pm Reply with quote Reply
[Replying to post 45 by onewithhim]
Ok, I didn't see this post. You are correct, Jesus is something more. He is the Lord God of the Old Testament, come in the flesh.
Post 52: Tue Sep 13, 2016 6:01 am Reply with quote Reply
[Replying to post 51 by Monta]
Two comments regarding this scripture:
1) to sit at the right hand is to sit in the seat of power. Jesus Christ is the the power of God and the wisdom of God (I Cor 1:24).
2) Jesus, is the son of David, yet He is David's Lord. David's Lord is Jehovah of the OT and this scripture reveals Jesus Christ is Jehovah of the OT, come in the flesh.
Post 54: Tue Sep 13, 2016 8:32 am Reply with quote Reply
[Replying to Monta]
No twisting.
Christ is the invisible God who conceived Himself as man (the firstborn over all creation. Christ is not a separate being from God Almighty. He is the God Almighty (the Father). He is God Almighty, who is the self existing one, taking on the human form He chose for Himself as the firstborn over all creation.
Man was originally made in the sinless image and according to the likeness of the firstborn over all creation; Jesus Christ, whom came into the world in the fullness of time came with the purpose to reconcile all creation to Himself. Look at the similarities of man and Christ. In the beginning (Christ is the beginning), Adam and Eve were made in the sinless image of Jesus Christ. Adam was made outside of the Garden of Eden and placed in the garden of Eden (The garden is a type and shadow of the current heaven, that is reserved for fire, at the time God made Adam. We know this because the knowledge of sin (good and evil) is there. I am not saying sin resides in heaven, I am saying the knowledge of sin is in the current heaven because Satan and a third of the angels were the first to sin against God. (However, in the n ew heaven and earth, the knowledge of sin will know longer be present, because sin and death will be defeated and will be remembered no more (Isa 65:17)
Even though man (Adam and Eve) was without sin, they were subjected to temptation to sin and death if they disobeyed the command of the Lord God: see (Gen 2:16) -disobedience is equated with unbelief in what God said.
They were banished from the Garden so they could be saved. Had they stayed in the Garden they would have eaten the fruit of the tree of life and live forever in their fallen state. So God, shed the blood of innocent animals and covered their nakedness (sin). This allowed God to not see their sin, but to see His atonement (the covering is the type and shadow of the atonement of Lamb of God: Jesus Christ).
The good news is we don't serve a God that desires us to die - see 2 Sam 14:14 "Like water spilled on the ground, which cannot be recovered, so we must die. But that is not what God desires; rather, he devises ways so that a banished person does not remain banished from him.
Now Christ, died for our sins, was buried, and resurrected from the grave overcoming sin and death. Christ no longer has a physical body operated by blood (it was shed, once and for all). However, He has a physical body of flesh and bone operated by the Spirit. We don't know how this body is able to be both spirit and flesh, but we will know in the resurrection of the living (1 John 3:2, Psa 17:. Job 19:26, Matt 5:8).
These scriptures and many others declare that man will be restored and be created in the sinless image and likeness of God again. The God that we will be made like in the end is the same God we were made like in the beginning; Jesus Christ, the resurrected Glory of God. He is the beginning and end (Rev 1:8, 11. 21:6, 22:13)
To be save, we only need to believe what the word of God says and obey it with Faith. These things are not possible with men, but with God all things are possible.
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END OF MY POSTS ABOUT “GOD’S ACTUAL NAME�
MY POSTS ABOUT “DOCTRINE OF GOD�
Post 1: Mon Sep 12, 2016 11:58 am Doctrine of God Reply with quote
Is God only an invisible Spirit or is He also flesh (human)?
Post 3: Mon Sep 12, 2016 12:11 pm Reply with quote Reply
[Replying to post 2 by 2timothy316]
Does it say God is only Spirit? No. The Bible does say God created man in His own image and likeness. Does the Bible say man is only spirit? No, man is also flesh (Gen 6:3), meaning nam is made up of spirit and flesh.
If one believes the Bible (Gen 1:26-27), one must believe God is also flesh because He made, not only in His image, but according to His likeness. Therefore, if God was only spirit, man would have been made only as a spirit.
Think about it. The firstborn over all creation is Jesus Christ (God with us, in the flesh).
Post 5: Mon Sep 12, 2016 12:32 pm Reply with quote Reply
[Replying to post 4 by 2timothy316]
That does not say God is a Spirit only. It only says to worship God in Spirit and in truth. Look at what Jesus said: see John 14:6 "Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me".
According to Jesus, here is only one way to worship in spirit and in truth, through Him. Is Jesus spirit only or in truth is He also flesh?
Post 7: Mon Sep 12, 2016 12:47 pm Reply with quote Reply
[Replying to post 6 by 2timothy316]
Yes, so let's go to what it says in Gen 1:26-27. If God is spirit only as you claim, then there is no other conclusion we can come to other than God made man in the invisible image and likeness of His spirit. Obviously, this is not the case. It is also obvious that God never said He was only Spirit as you supposed.
Post 8: Mon Sep 12, 2016 12:49 pm Reply with quote Reply
[Replying to post 6 by 2timothy316]
You didn't just do that, did you? After saying let's not say what God I din't say, you turn around and said what Jesus didn't say. I don't you realized what you did, but . . .really?
I posted on three threads:
- The Challenge for the trinity
- God's Actual Name
- Doctrine of God
These are a copy of almost all of them. Please note the concepts presented are explained with the support of scripture. I firmly believe that we must base our knowledge and understanding, not on what we think, but on the word of God.
My posts:
Post 117: Sat Sep 10, 2016 6:30 pm Re: CLEAR CHALLENGES FOR THE TRINITY DOCTRINE
I have a question for both the trinitarian and the Jehovah witness.
Gen 1:26-27: vs. 26 says God declared to make man in his own image and according to His likeness. vs. 27 confirms He did.
First question for the trinitarian:
If God is a trinity of persons (three separate persons with separate wills, minds, etc, yet one in unity). Since we were made in His own image and likeness, why are you,me, and all of mankind not three separate persons with separate wills, etc, yet one in unity?
If one believes the scriptures teach a trinity of three separate persons of God, Gen 1:26-27 requires us to be made in the image and likeness of the trinity of three separate persons, with three separate wills and the ability to communicate with each other separately, and work with each other person of ourselves in unity, does it not?
So, why are we not made as a trinity if the scriptures are true (in which, I believe they are true)?
For the Jehovah witness:
Is God only Spirit or is He flesh also?
Post 125: Mon Sep 12, 2016 5:42 pm Re: CLEAR CHALLENGES FOR THE TRINITY DOCTRINE Reply with quote Reply
[Replying to post 124 by Checkpoint]
Yes, man was formed out of the dust of the ground, but that dust is flesh see Gen 6:3. The breath of life God breathed into man is the same breath of life God breathed into all creatures of the dust of the ground - see Gen 7:22
The breath of life is a type and shadow of Holy Spirit that is baptized into al that truly believe in Jesus Christ).
Post 127: Mon Sep 12, 2016 7:19 pm Re: CLEAR CHALLENGES FOR THE TRINITY DOCTRINE Reply with quote Reply
[Replying to post 126 by Checkpoint]
Jesus is God in the flesh. Have you ever read John 1: 1-14. Is not Jehovah of the Old Testament God? Jesus is the Jehovah of the Old Testament. See Jude 1:4. Jude is the brother of Jesus and he understood Jesus was Jehovah that delivered His people out of Egypt see Jude 1:5.
How much clearer can it be than 1 John 5:20. Jesus is the One True God (Jesus is the Holy Spirit (see Peter 1:11) and Jesus was born of a woman and Jesus was before all things (Col 1:17).
I have given several scripture in this post proving Jesus is the Lord God of both the Nerw Testament and Jesus is the one man was made in the image and likeness of in the beginning (fyi: Jesus is the beginning - see Col 1:18) and He is the end (Rev 1:8, 11, 21:6, 22:13). Jesus is Jehovah Isa 41:4, 44:6, 48:12). Jesus is, Ke who was He whpo is, and He who is evermore (Rev 1:4, 8, Rev 4:8, etc).
I have posted back and forth with several people on here and none have provided scripture to refute all that the Bible says concerning who God is; Jesus Christ, believe it and be saved.
Post 129: Mon Sep 12, 2016 9:50 pm Re: CLEAR CHALLENGES FOR THE TRINITY DOCTRINE Reply with quote Reply
[Replying to post 128 by Checkpoint]
Did you read the scriptures?
The Bible says "And we know that the Son of God has come, and has given us understanding so that we may know Him who is true; and we are in Him who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life." (1 John 5:20).
Post 135: Tue Sep 13, 2016 4:54 am Reply with quote Reply
[Replying to tigger2]
or, it means exactly what the word of God says! Jesu Christ is the One True God. The only reason to ignore the obvious is to not believe what God says.
The Father of Jesus is God Himself, coming in the flesh; Jesus Christ. A trinitarian scholar is a scholar of a post biblical doctrine that is errant, leading away from who God truly is; Jesus Christ. Therefore, it is no wonder someone that doesn't believe the word of God actually means what He says, would look at other probabilities that are possibilities, leading away form the stated truth.
Somehow, folks just cannot recognize that God, who is Spirit, could or would Father Himself in His creation of Humanity, that was created in His own image and according to His likeness. If He did that (and He did), He would then be His own father in His own creation that was created for Him and through Him as the firstborn before all creation. This is the difference between God and man: with God, all things are possible
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[Replying to post 30 by tigger2]
There are two testaments to God's word in the Bible. They both testify of the same Lord God of Israel. Not two Lords, but two testaments of the same "One Lord God" (Jehovah Elohim). The OT leads us to the testimony and revelation of the Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of all (Acts 10:36). If there is only one Lord, and if Jesus Christ is the Lord of all, then it is now revealed by the NT that Jesus Christ is not only the Lord God of Israel, but Lord of all. This is why John declared Jesus Christ as the one true God (John 5:20). It is also why Jude (the brother of Jesus), declared jesus as our only Lord and master (Jude 1:4) and it was Jesus that lead the people out of the land of Egypt (Jude 1:5).
All the fulness of God (Elohim) permanently abides and permanently abided in Christ before all things (Col 1:17, 19, 2:9). Not if, but since God (Elohim, meaning all that God is) permanently abides in Christ, who is before all things this explains why no one can come to the Father except though Jesus Christ (John 14:6). It also explained how Jesus' own brother called Him our only God and Savior (Jude 1:25) in which the OT Scriptures testify (Psa 106:21, and a multitude of OT Scriptures). It also explains how and why Jesus Christ is the creator and sustainer of all things (Col 1:16-17).
Knowing God created the universe and commanded all things by His word (2 Peter 3:5-7), the one speaking creation into existence is the one and only Lord Jesus Christ (Col 1:16). There can be no other Lord of all.
Post 33: Sun Sep 11, 2016 10:20 pm Re: God's Actual Name Reply with quote Reply
[Replying to post 32 by onewithhim]
I have the same question for you that Jesus asked the Pharisees in Matt 22:41-45 about the Lord of the Old Testament and the Lord of the New Testament (Messiah). They could not answer. Can you?
Matt 22:41-45 Now while the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them a question: 42“What do you think about the Christ, whose son is He?� They said to Him, “The son of David.� 43He said to them, “Then how does David in the Spirit call Him ‘Lord,’ saying,
44‘THE LORD SAID TO MY LORD,
“SIT AT MY RIGHT HAND,
UNTIL I PUT YOUR ENEMIES BENEATH YOUR FEET�’?
45“If David then calls Him ‘Lord,’ how is He his son?� 46No one was able to answer Him a word, nor did anyone dare from that day on to ask Him another question.
Post 34: Sun Sep 11, 2016 10:34 pm Did God really make man in His own image and likeness? Reply with quote Reply
Did God really make man in His own image and likeness?
Believers accept the Bible is the word of God and, as such, is inerrant. Therefore we must take God at His word; Gen 1:26-27 states God made man; male and female in His own image and likeness. In verse 26 God declared a promise to make man in His own image and likeness. Then, in vs. 27, God confirms He made man in His image.
If God is a trinity of three separate persons and we were made in His image and likeness, then why are we not three separate persons? The scripture dictates that we were created in His own image and according to His likeness. Therefore, as much as we are like Him, He also must be like us.
Either these two verses of scripture are not true or God is not a trinity of three separate persons, but like us, one person made up of mind, body, and spirit (soul).
Any thoughts?
Post 36: Mon Sep 12, 2016 7:55 am Re: Did God really make man in His own image and likeness? Reply with quote Reply
[Replying to post 35 by Monta]
Yes, and for good reason. How can we know God if we cannot see Him as He truly is? This question is not just a matter concerning logic but also a matter of how one views the doctrine of God. The Lord God of the Bible views Himself as "One". According to His word, He created us in the image and likeness of His own "One". Not only did He do it in the beginning, but also in the end, we will be raised up from the dead in the image and likeness of our Lord and Savior; Jesus Christ.
I submit we were originally created in the image and likeness of Jesus Christ, who, like us, was subjected to sin and death. I also submit, according to the scriptures, we will again be created (restored) in the image and likeness of the resurrected Jesus Christ (1 John 3:2). This is why John called Jesus Christ the "One True God" (1 John 5:20).
In conclusion, in the beginning we were made in the image and likeness of Jesus Christ. In the end, we will; be restored in the image and likeness of God by the resurrection of Jesus Christ. Is it any longer a mystery who God was in the beginning and who God is in the end? see Rev 1:8, 21:6, 22:13,
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[Replying to post 39 by onewithhim]
Yes and according to Paul, His name is revealed to us as Jesus CHrist (Acts 26:15). Jude knew Him as Jesus (Jude 1:4). Jude also understood Jesus was the Lord that lead His people out of Egypt (Jude 1:5). Jude, was also the brother of Jesus, understood Jesus was Jehovah (Jude 1:25)
Post 44: Mon Sep 12, 2016 2:21 pm Re: God's Actual Name Reply with quote Reply
[Replying to post 43 by onewithhim]
My question is the same question Jesus asked in vs 45 “If David then calls Him ‘Lord,’ how is He his son?�
Post 50: Mon Sep 12, 2016 2:39 pm Reply with quote Reply
[Replying to post 45 by onewithhim]
Ok, I didn't see this post. You are correct, Jesus is something more. He is the Lord God of the Old Testament, come in the flesh.
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[Replying to post 51 by Monta]
Two comments regarding this scripture:
1) to sit at the right hand is to sit in the seat of power. Jesus Christ is the the power of God and the wisdom of God (I Cor 1:24).
2) Jesus, is the son of David, yet He is David's Lord. David's Lord is Jehovah of the OT and this scripture reveals Jesus Christ is Jehovah of the OT, come in the flesh.
Post 54: Tue Sep 13, 2016 8:32 am Reply with quote Reply
[Replying to Monta]
No twisting.
Christ is the invisible God who conceived Himself as man (the firstborn over all creation. Christ is not a separate being from God Almighty. He is the God Almighty (the Father). He is God Almighty, who is the self existing one, taking on the human form He chose for Himself as the firstborn over all creation.
Man was originally made in the sinless image and according to the likeness of the firstborn over all creation; Jesus Christ, whom came into the world in the fullness of time came with the purpose to reconcile all creation to Himself. Look at the similarities of man and Christ. In the beginning (Christ is the beginning), Adam and Eve were made in the sinless image of Jesus Christ. Adam was made outside of the Garden of Eden and placed in the garden of Eden (The garden is a type and shadow of the current heaven, that is reserved for fire, at the time God made Adam. We know this because the knowledge of sin (good and evil) is there. I am not saying sin resides in heaven, I am saying the knowledge of sin is in the current heaven because Satan and a third of the angels were the first to sin against God. (However, in the n ew heaven and earth, the knowledge of sin will know longer be present, because sin and death will be defeated and will be remembered no more (Isa 65:17)
Even though man (Adam and Eve) was without sin, they were subjected to temptation to sin and death if they disobeyed the command of the Lord God: see (Gen 2:16) -disobedience is equated with unbelief in what God said.
They were banished from the Garden so they could be saved. Had they stayed in the Garden they would have eaten the fruit of the tree of life and live forever in their fallen state. So God, shed the blood of innocent animals and covered their nakedness (sin). This allowed God to not see their sin, but to see His atonement (the covering is the type and shadow of the atonement of Lamb of God: Jesus Christ).
The good news is we don't serve a God that desires us to die - see 2 Sam 14:14 "Like water spilled on the ground, which cannot be recovered, so we must die. But that is not what God desires; rather, he devises ways so that a banished person does not remain banished from him.
Now Christ, died for our sins, was buried, and resurrected from the grave overcoming sin and death. Christ no longer has a physical body operated by blood (it was shed, once and for all). However, He has a physical body of flesh and bone operated by the Spirit. We don't know how this body is able to be both spirit and flesh, but we will know in the resurrection of the living (1 John 3:2, Psa 17:. Job 19:26, Matt 5:8).
These scriptures and many others declare that man will be restored and be created in the sinless image and likeness of God again. The God that we will be made like in the end is the same God we were made like in the beginning; Jesus Christ, the resurrected Glory of God. He is the beginning and end (Rev 1:8, 11. 21:6, 22:13)
To be save, we only need to believe what the word of God says and obey it with Faith. These things are not possible with men, but with God all things are possible.
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Post 1: Mon Sep 12, 2016 11:58 am Doctrine of God Reply with quote
Is God only an invisible Spirit or is He also flesh (human)?
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[Replying to post 2 by 2timothy316]
Does it say God is only Spirit? No. The Bible does say God created man in His own image and likeness. Does the Bible say man is only spirit? No, man is also flesh (Gen 6:3), meaning nam is made up of spirit and flesh.
If one believes the Bible (Gen 1:26-27), one must believe God is also flesh because He made, not only in His image, but according to His likeness. Therefore, if God was only spirit, man would have been made only as a spirit.
Think about it. The firstborn over all creation is Jesus Christ (God with us, in the flesh).
Post 5: Mon Sep 12, 2016 12:32 pm Reply with quote Reply
[Replying to post 4 by 2timothy316]
That does not say God is a Spirit only. It only says to worship God in Spirit and in truth. Look at what Jesus said: see John 14:6 "Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me".
According to Jesus, here is only one way to worship in spirit and in truth, through Him. Is Jesus spirit only or in truth is He also flesh?
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[Replying to post 6 by 2timothy316]
Yes, so let's go to what it says in Gen 1:26-27. If God is spirit only as you claim, then there is no other conclusion we can come to other than God made man in the invisible image and likeness of His spirit. Obviously, this is not the case. It is also obvious that God never said He was only Spirit as you supposed.
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You didn't just do that, did you? After saying let's not say what God I din't say, you turn around and said what Jesus didn't say. I don't you realized what you did, but . . .really?
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"Gems" from B Bob? Have you really been following this thread at all? He has been proven to be in error every time he says something. I can't even subject myself to his brazen nonsense any further. He's the first person I EVER put on "ignore" in all the years I've been on religious discussion boards.Monta wrote: [Replying to post 54 by B Bob]
"They were banished from the Garden so they could be saved. Had they stayed in the Garden they would have eaten the fruit of the tree of life and live forever in their fallen state."
That's another gem I picked up from your post.
You wouldn't have your insights packed on one page somewhere perhaps?
