I've seen God called by different names. As much as I know, the consonants for his name are given in the OT, but the vowels are missing.
Does anyone here claim to know what the vowels are and thus the proper pronunciation of God's name. Or is it a mystery that will remain unknown?
God's Actual Name
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Re: God's Actual Name
Post #31[Replying to post 30 by tigger2]
There are two testaments to God's word in the Bible. They both testify of the same Lord God of Israel. Not two Lords, but two testaments of the same "One Lord God" (Jehovah Elohim). The OT leads us to the testimony and revelation of the Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of all (Acts 10:36). If there is only one Lord, and if Jesus Christ is the Lord of all, then it is now revealed by the NT that Jesus Christ is not only the Lord God of Israel, but Lord of all. This is why John declared Jesus Christ as the one true God (John 5:20). It is also why Jude (the brother of Jesus), declared jesus as our only Lord and master (Jude 1:4) and it was Jesus that lead the people out of the land of Egypt (Jude 1:5).
All the fulness of God (Elohim) permanently abides and permanently abided in Christ before all things (Col 1:17, 19, 2:9). Not if, but since God (Elohim, meaning all that God is) permanently abides in Christ, who is before all things this explains why no one can come to the Father except though Jesus Christ (John 14:6). It also explained how Jesus' own brother called Him our only God and Savior (Jude 1:25) in which the OT Scriptures testify (Psa 106:21, and a multitude of OT Scriptures). It also explains how and why Jesus Christ is the creator and sustainer of all things (Col 1:16-17).
Knowing God created the universe and commanded all things by His word (2 Peter 3:5-7), the one speaking creation into existence is the one and only Lord Jesus Christ (Col 1:16). There can be no other Lord of all.
There are two testaments to God's word in the Bible. They both testify of the same Lord God of Israel. Not two Lords, but two testaments of the same "One Lord God" (Jehovah Elohim). The OT leads us to the testimony and revelation of the Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of all (Acts 10:36). If there is only one Lord, and if Jesus Christ is the Lord of all, then it is now revealed by the NT that Jesus Christ is not only the Lord God of Israel, but Lord of all. This is why John declared Jesus Christ as the one true God (John 5:20). It is also why Jude (the brother of Jesus), declared jesus as our only Lord and master (Jude 1:4) and it was Jesus that lead the people out of the land of Egypt (Jude 1:5).
All the fulness of God (Elohim) permanently abides and permanently abided in Christ before all things (Col 1:17, 19, 2:9). Not if, but since God (Elohim, meaning all that God is) permanently abides in Christ, who is before all things this explains why no one can come to the Father except though Jesus Christ (John 14:6). It also explained how Jesus' own brother called Him our only God and Savior (Jude 1:25) in which the OT Scriptures testify (Psa 106:21, and a multitude of OT Scriptures). It also explains how and why Jesus Christ is the creator and sustainer of all things (Col 1:16-17).
Knowing God created the universe and commanded all things by His word (2 Peter 3:5-7), the one speaking creation into existence is the one and only Lord Jesus Christ (Col 1:16). There can be no other Lord of all.
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Re: God's Actual Name
Post #32Tigger explained YHWH beautifully in post #30.B Bob wrote: [Replying to post 1 by jgh7]
Name of YHWH / Jehovah was a mystery in the OT, However the mystery was revealed in the NT.
There is a Lord God of the the OT and a Lord God of the NT. They are the one and the same Lord God. In the OT, God only revealed Himself as the Lord God of Israel. In the NT, the mystery of His name has been revealed; Jesus Christ, He is both the Lord God of the OT and the NT.
YHWH, the one and only true God, was known throughout the OT; his personal name, YHWH, appears seven thousand times in the original language. Men have chosen to obliterate that name in their various translations, substituting "Lord" for YHWH. It is clear that YHWH is not the same as Jesus Christ, because, as Tigger explained, YHWH speaks to the Messiah in Psalm 110, and also Jesus claims to be the Messiah, or, Anointed One, when he quotes Isaiah 61:1,2 (Luke 4:17-21). YHWH anointed him, so YHWH couldn't be Jesus Christ.
Re: God's Actual Name
Post #33[Replying to post 32 by onewithhim]
I have the same question for you that Jesus asked the Pharisees in Matt 22:41-45 about the Lord of the Old Testament and the Lord of the New Testament (Messiah). They could not answer. Can you?
Matt 22:41-45 Now while the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them a question: 42“What do you think about the Christ, whose son is He?� They said to Him, “The son of David.� 43He said to them, “Then how does David in the Spirit call Him ‘Lord,’ saying,
44‘THE LORD SAID TO MY LORD,
“SIT AT MY RIGHT HAND,
UNTIL I PUT YOUR ENEMIES BENEATH YOUR FEET�’?
45“If David then calls Him ‘Lord,’ how is He his son?� 46No one was able to answer Him a word, nor did anyone dare from that day on to ask Him another question.
I have the same question for you that Jesus asked the Pharisees in Matt 22:41-45 about the Lord of the Old Testament and the Lord of the New Testament (Messiah). They could not answer. Can you?
Matt 22:41-45 Now while the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them a question: 42“What do you think about the Christ, whose son is He?� They said to Him, “The son of David.� 43He said to them, “Then how does David in the Spirit call Him ‘Lord,’ saying,
44‘THE LORD SAID TO MY LORD,
“SIT AT MY RIGHT HAND,
UNTIL I PUT YOUR ENEMIES BENEATH YOUR FEET�’?
45“If David then calls Him ‘Lord,’ how is He his son?� 46No one was able to answer Him a word, nor did anyone dare from that day on to ask Him another question.
Did God really make man in His own image and likeness?
Post #34Did God really make man in His own image and likeness?
Believers accept the Bible is the word of God and, as such, is inerrant. Therefore we must take God at His word; Gen 1:26-27 states God made man; male and female in His own image and likeness. In verse 26 God declared a promise to make man in His own image and likeness. Then, in vs. 27, God confirms He made man in His image.
If God is a trinity of three separate persons and we were made in His image and likeness, then why are we not three separate persons? The scripture dictates that we were created in His own image and according to His likeness. Therefore, as much as we are like Him, He also must be like us.
Either these two verses of scripture are not true or God is not a trinity of three separate persons, but like us, one person made up of mind, body, and spirit (soul).
Any thoughts?
Believers accept the Bible is the word of God and, as such, is inerrant. Therefore we must take God at His word; Gen 1:26-27 states God made man; male and female in His own image and likeness. In verse 26 God declared a promise to make man in His own image and likeness. Then, in vs. 27, God confirms He made man in His image.
If God is a trinity of three separate persons and we were made in His image and likeness, then why are we not three separate persons? The scripture dictates that we were created in His own image and according to His likeness. Therefore, as much as we are like Him, He also must be like us.
Either these two verses of scripture are not true or God is not a trinity of three separate persons, but like us, one person made up of mind, body, and spirit (soul).
Any thoughts?
Re: Did God really make man in His own image and likeness?
Post #35[Replying to post 34 by B Bob]
"If God is a trinity of three separate persons and we were made in His image and likeness, then why are we not three separate persons? The scripture dictates that we were created in His own image and according to His likeness. Therefore, as much as we are like Him, He also must be like us.
Either these two verses of scripture are not true or God is not a trinity of three separate persons, but like us, one person made up of mind, body, and spirit (soul)"
Good points.
"If God is a trinity of three separate persons and we were made in His image and likeness, then why are we not three separate persons? The scripture dictates that we were created in His own image and according to His likeness. Therefore, as much as we are like Him, He also must be like us.
Either these two verses of scripture are not true or God is not a trinity of three separate persons, but like us, one person made up of mind, body, and spirit (soul)"
Good points.
Re: Did God really make man in His own image and likeness?
Post #36[Replying to post 35 by Monta]
Yes, and for good reason. How can we know God if we cannot see Him as He truly is? This question is not just a matter concerning logic but also a matter of how one views the doctrine of God. The Lord God of the Bible views Himself as "One". According to His word, He created us in the image and likeness of His own "One". Not only did He do it in the beginning, but also in the end, we will be raised up from the dead in the image and likeness of our Lord and Savior; Jesus Christ.
I submit we were originally created in the image and likeness of Jesus Christ, who, like us, was subjected to sin and death. I also submit, according to the scriptures, we will again be created (restored) in the image and likeness of the resurrected Jesus Christ (1 John 3:2). This is why John called Jesus Christ the "One True God" (1 John 5:20).
In conclusion, in the beginning we were made in the image and likeness of Jesus Christ. In the end, we will; be restored in the image and likeness of God by the resurrection of Jesus Christ. Is it any longer a mystery who God was in the beginning and who God is in the end? see Rev 1:8, 21:6, 22:13,
Yes, and for good reason. How can we know God if we cannot see Him as He truly is? This question is not just a matter concerning logic but also a matter of how one views the doctrine of God. The Lord God of the Bible views Himself as "One". According to His word, He created us in the image and likeness of His own "One". Not only did He do it in the beginning, but also in the end, we will be raised up from the dead in the image and likeness of our Lord and Savior; Jesus Christ.
I submit we were originally created in the image and likeness of Jesus Christ, who, like us, was subjected to sin and death. I also submit, according to the scriptures, we will again be created (restored) in the image and likeness of the resurrected Jesus Christ (1 John 3:2). This is why John called Jesus Christ the "One True God" (1 John 5:20).
In conclusion, in the beginning we were made in the image and likeness of Jesus Christ. In the end, we will; be restored in the image and likeness of God by the resurrection of Jesus Christ. Is it any longer a mystery who God was in the beginning and who God is in the end? see Rev 1:8, 21:6, 22:13,
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You might say that. The translators of The Jerusalem Bible, for instance, preferred "Yahweh."jgh7 wrote: [Replying to post 20 by onewithhim]
Some bibles use Yahweh instead of Jehovah. They think that allows for a more accurate pronuncition of what the authentic pronunciation was. What are your thoughts on that? I personally like Yahweh more. Is it just a personal preference sort of thing?
The translators of The King James Version preferred "Jehovah."
Translators of a Samoan Bible preferred "Ieova," and one Chinese Bible says "Yehwowah." Dutch, French, Tahitian, Danish, Finnish, German, Hungarian, Spanish, Portuguese, and others, prefer "Jehovah" or "Jehova," or "Jeova."
What is important is that we use some form of His name. Even if we pronounce each consonant of His name separately: YOHDH, HE', WAW, HE'. ("Waw" has no "w" sound and is pronounced "VAV.") That would be perfectly acceptable.
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