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California versus Christianity

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Is Christianity outlawed in California.

Can Christianity be outlawed by "sexual orientation" laws?
Teen Girls Sue Christian School Over Expulsion For Improper Behavior
The right of religious schools to set moral standards is under attack by two girls who were expelled from a Lutheran school in 2005 over alleged homosexual attractions.

April 3, 2006 -- A Riverside Superior Court Judge has granted two girls the right to sue the California Lutheran High School Association for allegedly discriminating against them because of their sexual attractions to each other.

Superior Court Judge Gloria Connor Trask has agreed to let this case go to trial instead of dismissing it as a frivolous lawsuit directly attacking the right of Christian schools to enforce a Code of Conduct upon the students who voluntarily attend. A hearing on this case is scheduled for July 9, 2006.

This case is a serious one and deserves to be watched closely. Homosexual activists are determined to impose their agenda in private religious schools and institutions regardless of First Amendment guarantees of freedom of religion.

Nathan Barankin, communications director for California State Attorney General Bill Lockyer said: “This is an unsettled area of the law. The public policy issues are religious freedom versus the right not to be discriminated against.”

The lawsuit, Mother Doe v. California Lutheran High School Association resulted from the expulsion of two girls from a California Lutheran High School who admitted they had strong feelings for each other. The girls’ lawyers refuse to say if they are practicing homosexuals.

The school, located in Wildomar, California, is operated by the California Lutheran High School Association and is part of the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod.

In September 2005, School Principal Gregory Bork interviewed both girls separately and determined that they could not remain in the school if they pursued a homosexual relationship.

On September 15, Bork wrote a letter to the parents of the girls saying that “while there is no open physical contact between the two girls, there is still a bond of intimacy ... characteristic of a lesbian (relationship). ... Such a relationship is un-Christian. To allow the girls to attend (Cal Lutheran) ... would send a message to students and parents that we either condone this situation and/or will not do anything about it. That message would not reflect our beliefs and principles.”

The lawsuit was filed against the high school association and Mr. Bork. It alleges that Bork’s expulsion of the girls violates California’s Unruh Civil Rights Act, which forbids businesses operating in the state to engage in discrimination against any person’s sexual orientation.

Girls’ Lawyers Claim Principal ‘Imprisoned’ Them During Interview
Lawyers suing for the girls claim that California Lutheran is a business and should be covered under Unruh.

Lawyers for the girls are also claiming that Bork violated their “right to privacy” by briefing school staff on the situation and by sending a letter to the girls’ parents explaining why they were expelled.

In addition, the lawsuit alleges that Bork “falsely imprisoned” the girls by interviewing each one of them to determine the facts about their relationship.

Attorney John McKay, who represents Principal Bork and the California Lutheran High School Association, has filed several legal briefs in this case over the past several months in response to the lawsuit.

In a brief filed on December 15, 2005, Mr. McKay points out that the California Lutheran High School (CLHS) is a “non-profit, educational institution owned and operated by an association of Lutheran congregations in California.”

McKay points out that even if the CLHS is considered a “business establishment” under California law, any sexual orientation law could not be applied to the school without violating the “expressive association rights granted to CLHS and its members. The U.S. and California Constitutions provide individuals the right to associate with others in the pursuit of certain religious ideals. ... Government actions which force a group to accept members it does not desire constitutes an unconstitutional burden on this freedom of association.”

McKay cites the case of Boys Scouts v. Dale (2000). In this case, the Supreme Court ruled that the Boy Scouts had the right to establish membership qualifications for its organization. It could reasonably exclude homosexuals from the Scouts as a violation of its standards.

Likewise, a religiously-affiliated group has the right to establish moral standards for its members and can expel individuals who violate those standards. If this standard applies to the Boy Scouts and other private organizations, it must apply to a Christian school, which will base its code of conduct upon the Bible.

According to McKay, “CLHS’ official position is that homosexuality is immoral conduct, and that principle is provided First Amendment protection. In addition, a court order requiring defendants [the school] to suppress their own religious beliefs in order to accommodate plaintiff’s request to continue as students at CLHS would constitute a violation of the Establishment Clause.”

McKay also responded to the allegation that the girls had been subjected to false imprisonment by being interviewed by Principal Bork. McKay noted: “... plaintiffs cannot assert a claim against him [Bork] for false imprisonment or impute liability for his acts upon CLHS. ... courts have acknowledged that the detention and questioning of a student by a school official during school hours is justified when such questioning is necessary to ‘maintain order, prevent disruption of other students’ educational experience and impose discipline.’ Defendant Bork’s alleged detention of the plaintiffs fulfilled these authorized goals.”

Religious Institutions Are Exempt From Sexual Orientation Laws
California Education Code section 220 forbids educational institutions to discriminate on the basis of sexual orientation. Section 220.5, however, says this: “This article shall not apply to an educational institution which is controlled by a religious organization if the application would not be consistent with the religious tenets of that organization.”

Attorney Christopher Hayes, who represents the two girls thinks the school is violating the Unruh Act: “We believe that California law is clear. The California Unruh Civil Rights Act ... prohibits businesses from discriminating against people for various reasons.”

Attorney John McKay says his clients are protected by the First Amendment, which “is more important than any legislative act.” He says this case pits Unruh against a private religious school and is a “case of first impression,” meaning it has not been resolved in past legal cases.

This case may eventually reach the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco. If it does, it is likely that the radical liberals on this court will rule against the religious freedom rights of private Christian schools—in favor of homosexuals. A decision of this magnitude could impact the religious freedom of the 56 million Americans who live in the states and U.S. territories under the domain of the 9th. TVC’s report on the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals explains why Congress must split this court into two or three new federal court systems.

Homosexuals Win Victory Over Christians In Canada
The attacks against religious freedom are well advanced in Canada. What is happening in Canada is a foretaste of what Christians face here in the United States at the hands of militant homosexuals.

The First Amendment and its guarantee of religious freedom apparently mean nothing to homosexual activists. Their goal is to impose their agenda upon all American institutions—including religious institutions that have normally been considered off limits to immoral social engineering.

In 1999, for example, when Congress was debating passage of the Religious Freedom Restoration Act, homosexual columnist Deb Price argued against its passage. She said: “Religion should not be treated as a ‘Get Out Of Jail Free’ card that lets people pick and choose which laws to obey. ... We each have a right to our own private religious beliefs. However, when we enter the public sphere, we have a shared civil duty to respect one another’s legal rights.” In short, religious freedom is irrelevant when homosexuality is concerned.

In Canada, homosexual activists and their liberal allies in the court system have established an ever-tightening web of restrictions upon Christians who are critical of homosexual conduct.

In “Privilege of Speech in a ‘Pleasantly Authoritarian Country’: How Canada’s Judiciary Allowed Laws Proscribing Discourse Critical of Homosexuality to Trump Free Speech and Religious Liberty,” published in the Vanderbilt Transnational Law Journal describes the destruction of religious freedom in Canada over homosexual sodomy.

American Christians and other religious faiths face the same threats from homosexual activists.

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I think you're blowing this out of proportion. If the Unruh law works in california like it would in other parts of the country and if the school is a wholly owned non-profit subsidiary of the wisconsin evangelical synod then the case has no basis. However if the school is a separate for profit entity then they will be liable. All the other charges appear to be nothing more than smoke and mirrors.

I would bet the only reason why this case is even being let forward is so they have a test case for future reference.

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It proves that The Gay Agenda is for real.

It proves that Christians are the target of a systematic dismantling by the use of invented laws.

It is just another example of the torment Christians are enduring at the hands of liberal/progressives and the Gay lobby.

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Edited. Just realize that Christians are in dire trouble from the Gay Agenda. Islam-Secularism-Gay Agenda. In that order.

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1John2_26 wrote:Edited. Just realize that Christians are in dire trouble from the Gay Agenda. Islam-Secularism-Gay Agenda. In that order.
Nah.

Only "Christians" who stick their noses into the personal lives and externally harmless behaviours of other people are being opposed.

Homosexuals are in dire trouble from the fundamentalist "Christian" agenda.

The difference is this: the homosexual activists are reacting defensively to an ongoing, intense attack from the RR.

And, to be honest, this is true for the other categories you mention. Secularists and Islamists would more than likely (secularists for sure, Islam - not sure, because the Islamic RR has to follow the dictates of God, just like the Christian RR) back off. And once again, using honesty instead of propaganda, the only thing the secularists want (like homosexuals) is to be allowed to believe and live as they do without having the religious beliefs of others imposed on them.

So, John, if you care about the RR, and if it bothers you to see polemic against the RR on the internet or in the occasional newspaper editorial, you can help them.

Help them to focus on keeping their religious beliefs to themselves.

You'll be amazed at how the "persecution" (which is really just self-defense against the attacking fundamentalists) disappears!

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You'll be amazed at how the "persecution" (which is really just self-defense against the attacking fundamentalists) disappears!
"Fundamentalists" or the honest? Honest people don't change words of the Bible, physiology, biology and anatomy. Everything is left there (in its proper place).

Christians have all along said that gays and lesbians and secularists - yada-yada . . . - were methodically outlawing Christianity.

Again, the Christians were being honest and correct. "Correct" being a far more appropriate word to use then "right" as that now has been changed by "you know who" to silence the Christians.

I have no problem seeing things "in the light."

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Why is it that christian schools that accept federal money think they don't have to follow the same rules that any other institution does?
The part of the article that stated what the unruh law is said nothing about christians so please show how christians are being targeted?
How does it show that this "gay agenda" is real? No supporting evidence is given that homosexuals were involved except the two children.
Torment? If you consider this case torment you haven't suffered much in your life.

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Does christianity exist outside of other people's underwear? Is the highest expression of this religion the grilling of young girls about oral sex? Is the best aspiration of the christian spirit to investigate a young man's anus?

Is that all you have?

I'm appaled that this sort of witch-hunt against a couple of young girls can take place, and at a school no less. Whatever happened to common decency?

Yes, it's true that religious institutions can discriminate. We have to let the theists be as bigoted as they want, or else they get all violent on us. Hatred, animosity, and spite are the main forms of christianity, as it appears in the US today.

But in this particular case, I think the school is in pretty big trouble. It seems, from the article, pretty clear that the girls were not found to have actually violated any existing rule at the school. They were expelled because the principle thinks they might be that sort of person.

Of course, any school official who sits around fantasizing about his female students engaged in rampant lesbianism should be immediately discharged. But don't expect that to happen.

Advice to christians: Get your nose out of my groin. OK?

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1John2_26 wrote:"Fundamentalists" or the honest?
Fundamentalists. Not honest - just dogmatic and hateful. And intrusive.
Honest people don't change words of the Bible
Then I guess the scribes who copied the copies of the copies of the copies of the originals aren't honest, because their alterations are there for anyone who wants to know the truth to see.
Christians have all along said that gays and lesbians and secularists - yada-yada . . . - were methodically outlawing Christianity.
Of course they have. And they were lying then as now. It makes for better propaganda to put oneself up as a victim, when in fact oneself is a bigoted liar, out to impose oneself's views on others by whatever means necessary.
Again, the Christians were being honest and correct. "Correct" being a far more appropriate word to use then "right" as that now has been changed by "you know who" to silence the Christians.
No, they weren't correct or honest.

Listen carefully: homosexuals don't want Christians to become gay. They don't want to kill Christians. They don't want Christianity to be outlawed. They don't want Christians to engage in homosexual sex. They don't want Christians to disavow their Christianity. They just want the "Christians" to leave them alone.

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1John2_26 wrote:
"Fundamentalists" or the honest?

Fundamentalists. Not honest - just dogmatic and hateful. And intrusive.
Forcing private sex acts on children is intrusive. That is the new California laws. Forcing Christians to submit to homosexual political power is also "intrusive."
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Honest people don't change words of the Bible

Then I guess the scribes who copied the copies of the copies of the copies of the originals aren't honest, because their alterations are there for anyone who wants to know the truth to see.


That old skeptic ploy may work on the shallow-minded but not me. I am a free thinker. The same message from beginning to end. God will not be mocked. For long.
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Christians have all along said that gays and lesbians and secularists - yada-yada . . . - were methodically outlawing Christianity.

Of course they have. And they were lying then as now.
It seems that evidence is not on your side. But the liars are. And they are not Christians.
It makes for better propaganda to put oneself up as a victim, when in fact oneself is a bigoted liar, out to impose oneself's views on others by whatever means necessary.


Including "hate crimes legislation" and inventing a new word "homophobia" and then outlawing whatever the heckj the Gay Culture and Community wants it to mean. It seems clear they want children to embrace unnatural sex acts.
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Again, the Christians were being honest and correct. "Correct" being a far more appropriate word to use then "right" as that now has been changed by "you know who" to silence the Christians.

No, they weren't correct or honest.

Listen carefully: homosexuals don't want Christians to become gay. They don't want to kill Christians. They don't want Christianity to be outlawed.
Wrong on two accounts. Correct on one. Why kill "breeders?"
They don't want Christians to engage in homosexual sex.

Gay Evangelicalism proves your point wrong again.
They don't want Christians to disavow their Christianity. They just want the "Christians" to leave them alone.
Wrong on both counts.

There are pleanty of gay-straight "alliances" even trumpeting that they are Christian organizations.

It is clear that most peope just do not want to look at facts and evidence. Christians declare both.

FROM Juliod:
Does christianity exist outside of other people's underwear? Is the highest expression of this religion the grilling of young girls about oral sex?
Read the New Testament. This school was doing what Christians have done since Jesus explained what marriage IS. Also, when He told a whore to go and sin no more. Jesus is now in violation of California law.
Is the best aspiration of the christian spirit to investigate a young man's anus?


That would clearly be the aspiration of homosexual sex. You need to consult anatome books as well as the Bible.
Is that all you have?


Truth is all that is needed.
I'm appaled that this sort of witch-hunt against a couple of young girls can take place, and at a school no less. Whatever happened to common decency?
yes, why didn't these girls just leave the school alone and move to another "PRIVATE" school without having to force their sexual behavior on Christians?
Yes, it's true that religious institutions can discriminate. We have to let the theists be as bigoted as they want, or else they get all violent on us.
Islam and atheism. Start ringing up the dead over the last hundred years?
Hatred, animosity, and spite are the main forms of christianity, as it appears in the US today.


Brain-washing works as you are parroting the liberal-progressive mythology. Not to many atheists organizations feeding starving Africans last time I watched late night TV.
But in this particular case, I think the school is in pretty big trouble. It seems, from the article, pretty clear that the girls were not found to have actually violated any existing rule at the school. They were expelled because the principle thinks they might be that sort of person.
he met with them. It is his right. You are right though. This Christian school joins other victims of the Gay Agenda and is in trouble. We Christians can only pray for them to escape the tyranny invented by the sexual orientation laws invented to silence Christians.
Of course, any school official who sits around fantasizing about his female students engaged in rampant lesbianism should be immediately discharged. But don't expect that to happen.


Sounds like he could get a higher paying job at HBO or Showtime, Bravo, or NBC, CBS, or ABC. But, don't expect that to happen. Those places hate Christians.
Advice to christians: Get your nose out of my groin. OK?
Then don't make sexual perversion a civil right.

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