Darwin's "Downfall?"

ProLifeSkeptic · Post by **ProLifeSkeptic** » Sun Sep 18, 2016 5:34 pm

This individual who calls himself Keith Truth has made a recent documentary in which he illustrates the "downfall" of Evolution (you can watch the whole documentary if you choose, or click on the numbers in the description of the video to jump to his arguments)

He shows "evidence" Against Macro-evolution: 05:25 - 31:07, he tries to show Alleged Evidence for Macro-evolution: 31:08 - 01:08:06, and proof for the age of the Earth and the flood The Age of the Earth and the Flood: 01:08:07 - 01:24:28

The final segment of the documentary is typical "evolution teaches that we're animals" and stuff like that.

KenRU · Post by **KenRU** » Fri Jun 09, 2017 4:16 pm

jester32 wrote: [Replying to post 48 by Kenisaw]

The idea is that God or Goddess evolved from Pure Mind, or absolute blackness. This is supported by the Big Bang Theory. This Oneness was the Source of All. It had no divisions or multiple aspects. It had no before or after at that point. It then evolved according to the rules of consciousness and geometry from the simplest state to ever more complex states. If God had always been perfect, He would have created perfect creations, who had free-will but like Him could not misuse it. Everything would have been given perfect bliss and knowledge of what pain was and how to forever keep it from happening. The existence of pain proves that God was not always all-knowing.

Other than imagination, do you have anything at all that could substantiate this assertion?

I mean you might as well be saying that god evolved from the 8th dimension's alternate reality as necessitated and governed by the laws of interdimensional cosmology.

-all the best

Kenisaw · Post by **Kenisaw** » Fri Jun 09, 2017 5:49 pm

jester32 wrote: [Replying to post 48 by Kenisaw]

The idea is that God or Goddess evolved from Pure Mind, or absolute blackness. This is supported by the Big Bang Theory. This Oneness was the Source of All. It had no divisions or multiple aspects. It had no before or after at that point. It then evolved according to the rules of consciousness and geometry from the simplest state to ever more complex states. If God had always been perfect, He would have created perfect creations, who had free-will but like Him could not misuse it. Everything would have been given perfect bliss and knowledge of what pain was and how to forever keep it from happening. The existence of pain proves that God was not always all-knowing.

You do not have a proper understanding of the Big Bang. I recommend reading up on the topic to understand where you made your error, and see if this doesn't change things for you.

jester32 · Post by **jester32** » Sat Jun 10, 2017 6:31 pm

[Replying to post 51 by KenRU]

The idea that everything came from the simplest possible state of consciousness is not just an unsubstantiated theory. There are three basic proofs that the universe is finite in time and space. This requires a beginning. The question is was the beginning conscious or not. The proof that it was conscious is the fact that a non-living oneness would have no power. It would thus remain a void forever, whereas a conscious oneness would change by thinking.

These things are proven in the following chapter:

http://docs.wixstatic.com/ugd/c62dc8_38 ... 797a04.pdf

You wrote:

"I mean you might as well be saying that god evolved from the 8th dimension\'s alternate reality as necessitated and governed by the laws of interdimensional cosmology."

Notice that you mentioned "the 8th dimension" and "interdimensional." That cannot be the source of God because it has plurality. There is only one simplest state. It is Pure Oneness. It is not multidimensional. It evolved from simpler to more complex. The exact process of this can be proven through sacred geometry.

Post by **DrNoGods** » Sat Jun 10, 2017 11:37 pm

[Replying to post 53 by jester32]

These things are proven in the following chapter:

I had a quick look at the link but had to bail when the first sentence says:

"This chapter gives a newly revealed mathematical proof that God exists."

Then a quick pass through the rest of it showed that it was completely devoid of any actual mathematics.

McCulloch · Post by **McCulloch** » Sun Jun 11, 2017 8:26 am

jester32 wrote:The idea is that God or Goddess evolved from Pure Mind, or absolute blackness.

Apparently you do not understand the word evolve. Evolution is the gradual change that occurs with a large population of self replicating entities where there is replication with variation and a selection process. Oneness cannot be said to evolve.

KenRU · Post by **KenRU** » Mon Jun 12, 2017 12:59 pm

jester32 wrote: [Replying to post 51 by KenRU]

The idea that everything came from the simplest possible state of consciousness is not just an unsubstantiated theory. There are three basic proofs that the universe is finite in time and space. This requires a beginning. The question is was the beginning conscious or not. The proof that it was conscious is the fact that a non-living oneness would have no power.

I thought atoms had tremendous power within them ...?

It would thus remain a void forever, whereas a conscious oneness would change by thinking.

Wouldn't this "consciousness" entail something to house it?

You wrote:

"I mean you might as well be saying that god evolved from the 8th dimension\'s alternate reality as necessitated and governed by the laws of interdimensional cosmology."

Notice that you mentioned "the 8th dimension" and "interdimensional." That cannot be the source of God because it has plurality.

Many religions purport that god is a plurality. The trinity comes to mind.

-all the best

jester32 · Post by **jester32** » Sat Jun 17, 2017 5:48 pm

[Replying to post 54 by DrNoGods]

The chapter in question focuses on whether infinite numbers of things exist. Whether all things are infinite or finite is a mathematical issue. It also explains the geometry of the Source's first few thoughts. Thus the chapter focuses on mathematics. The chapter gives proof that infinite numbers of things cannot exist. This means that the universe is finite in time and space. Thus, if all things, including the physical universe/s, are finite in time, then all things had a beginning. This means that it must have went from the simplest state to ever more complex states. This is proven via a sacred geometry (and thus via mathematics). A finite universe, or universes, that began in a complex state makes no sense. Also, a finite universe that did not come from consciousness makes no sense. This is all documented in detail in the chapter in question.

Post by **DrNoGods** » Sat Jun 17, 2017 10:28 pm

[Replying to post 57 by jester32]

Thus the chapter focuses on mathematics. The chapter gives proof that infinite numbers of things cannot exist.

There is not a single equation in that chapter, and certainly no proof of anything in a mathematical sense. Just hand waving and baseless assertions, like your "makes no sense" comments. I suspect that anything at odds with your unusual view of things "makes no sense", and that is sufficient for you as "proof." Fortunately the real world of mathematics does not work like this.

It also explains the geometry of the Source's first few thoughts. ... Also, a finite universe that did not come from consciousness makes no sense.

Consciousness is a manisfestation of brain activity, so doesn't exist outside of a brain capable of such activity. Do you perceive yourself as a psychic of some sort?

jester32 · Post by **jester32** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 9:24 pm

[Replying to post 58 by DrNoGods]

Can you provide a proof that the universe has an infinite number of parts? I provided two proofs that infinite numbers of things cannot exist. 1) no line can be extended further and further out into space until it reaches infinite length, 2) nothing can be cut up into more and more pieces until it becomes an infinite number of pieces.

A finite universe in time and space requires a beginning and thus a creator, since nothingness has no power to change unless it is conscious. I then gave a geometric proof of what the first few thoughts of The Source of All were. These went from the simplest state to ever more complex.

Also, an object cannot pass through an infinite number of points between two objects without taking forever to get to the other object. This means that teleportation is needed to skip the gaps between two objects. This is indeed supernatural.

The fact that there is pain in the universe proves that God could not have always been all-knowing, since an all-knowing and perfect God would create perfect creations, who had free will but, like Himself, could not have misused it.

Post by **DrNoGods** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 11:13 pm

[Replying to post 59 by jester32]

A finite universe in time and space requires a beginning and thus a creator, since nothingness has no power to change unless it is conscious. I then gave a geometric proof of what the first few thoughts of The Source of All were.

It does not follow that anything having a beginning requires a creator, whether it is a universe or something else, or whether it is finite or infiinte, unless your definition of the word "creator" is so broad that it includes any conceivable entity, force, etc. that could possibly "create." All we have so far is something you call the "Source of All", and suggestions that you know its first few "thoughts" (whatever that means).

What is this "Source of All"? You mention "God" with a capital G, vague inferences to nothingness and consciousness, references to mathematics with no equations, and then bring up teleportation which I'd agree is something supernatural, but which seems to have no relation to the other discussion points. Hard to see where you are trying to go with all of this.

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