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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2016 5:24 pm  "Atheists believe there is no God" Reply with quote

Many Christians like to say, "Atheists believe there is no God." But atheism is not a belief there is no God because to have a belief is to hold a proposition. There are thousands of other things that Christians, like atheists, do not have a belief in, from Sasquatch to elves. If the mechanism is correct that the non-existence of God is a proposition held by atheists, then both Christians and atheists must also have matching propositions for the non-existence of all other imaginary things, which clearly we do not, since we can only name a few.

So for the record:

Christians believe in the existence of Yahweh and they do not believe in the existence of Zeus.

Atheists do not believe in the existence of Yahweh and they also do not believe in the existence of Zeus.


Perhaps the underlying motivation for some Christians to say atheists believe there is no God is a suspicion they have that believing in something is inferior to understanding something. And perhaps it is enabled by the same sloppy reasoning that results in some Christians saying evolution is “only a theory” as if that were a bad thing.
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For example: you say God wrote a book in which he says that heaven has furniture in it, such as couches. Reason suggests this is silly. So I bring reason to the table to show your claim has no weight.

God, in his alleged book, says that corpses will be revived to have non-marital sex with girls. This seems an absurdity, given corpses don't indulge in sexual activity.


One's study of Quran is not error-free, please. Since one says one has read Quran, please make everybody wise by giving the verses related to the above quotes from one. Right, please?
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atheism is arrived at by a process of reasoning.


One interpreted the process wrong. If one found one religion say Christianity wrong, then Gnosticism then another religion wrong; it was wrong to conclude that that makes Atheism right. Atheism is to be found right irrespective of the others. It is not the fault of the process, it is reading and leading the process and interpreting it wrong. One's reasoning process was not error-free. Right, please?

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Atheism is the default mode. We are all born atheists and later in life a religion is indoctrinated into some of us. For that matter, you are an atheist when it comes to all gods but your Allah, we share exactly the same conclusions, for most all of religion, I just carry it one tiny god further.


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atheism is arrived at by a process of reasoning.


One interpreted the process wrong. If one found one religion say Christianity wrong, then Gnosticism then another religion wrong; it was wrong to conclude that that makes Atheism right. Atheism is to be found right irrespective of the others. It is not the fault of the process, it is reading and leading the process and interpreting it wrong. One's reasoning process was not error-free. Right, please?

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We are all born atheists and later in life a religion is indoctrinated into some of us, some of the indoctrinated then manage to escape the clutches of these illogical belief systems.

The idea that highly specialized knowledge is required to see the absurdity of all supernatural belief is highly questionable, especially when it comes to belief systems that are so similar as, say, all Abrahamics.


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atheism is arrived at by a process of reasoning.


One interpreted the process wrong. If one found one religion say Christianity wrong, then Gnosticism then another religion wrong; it was wrong to conclude that that makes Atheism right. Atheism is to be found right irrespective of the others. It is not the fault of the process, it is reading and leading the process and interpreting it wrong. One's reasoning process was not error-free. Right, please?

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Atheism is the default mode. We are all born atheists and later in life a religion is indoctrinated into some of us.


Is it from:

~science or
~from a Revealed Religion or
~just one's conjecture, please?

Kindly make us all wise in the regards, please.

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atheism is arrived at by a process of reasoning.


One interpreted the process wrong. If one found one religion say Christianity wrong, then Gnosticism then another religion wrong; it was wrong to conclude that that makes Atheism right. Atheism is to be found right irrespective of the others. It is not the fault of the process, it is reading and leading the process and interpreting it wrong. One's reasoning process was not error-free. Right, please?

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Atheism is the default mode. We are all born atheists and later in life a religion is indoctrinated into some of us.


Is it from:

~science or
~from a Revealed Religion or
~just one's conjecture, please?

Kindly make us all wise in the regards, please.

Regards

It is from direct observation, I guess one could call that science ... atheism is the state that in which we are all born.


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atheism is arrived at by a process of reasoning.


One interpreted the process wrong. If one found one religion say Christianity wrong, then Gnosticism then another religion wrong; it was wrong to conclude that that makes Atheism right. Atheism is to be found right irrespective of the others. It is not the fault of the process, it is reading and leading the process and interpreting it wrong. One's reasoning process was not error-free. Right, please?

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One did not misinterpret the process. I have NOT concluded there is NO God; I have consistently said I have no idea what is beyond my existence. I have, however, used reason to dismiss Allah and Yahweh. Allah has been badly constructed on Yahweh, so deserves less attention but unfortunately gets too much attention today.

Since you did not use reason to come to your conclusions about Allah, then my limited use of reason surely excels your zero use. Given my many excursions in mathematics, languages and philosophy I think, without being arrogant, that my reasoning processes are healthy.

I think it is incorrect to say: there is NO God. Thus I am no atheist. I do believe FIRMLY that there is no Allah. I am grateful for this. He sounds horrible, as does Yahweh his brother.

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it is realized that it is based on belief in a supernatural god being similar to Christianity


So, sorry, I believe that one even did not read the teachings of Jesus as one thinks that Islam/Quran/Muhammad and the Pauline-Christianity are one and the same. One's generalization is wrong.
But then there is no compulsion for one to see the things closely and intently. There is nothing like "supernatural" in Quran/Islam/Muhammad, please.
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Atheism is the default mode. We are all born atheists and later in life a religion is indoctrinated into some of us.


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Is it from:

~science or
~from a Revealed Religion or
~just one's conjecture, please?

Kindly make us all wise in the regards, please.

Regards


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It is from direct observation, I guess one could call that science ... atheism is the state that in which we are all born.


guess and science!!!???

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it is realized that it is based on belief in a supernatural god being similar to Christianity


So, sorry, I believe that one even did not read the teachings of Jesus as one thinks that Islam/Quran/Muhammad and the Pauline-Christianity are one and the same. One's generalization is wrong.
But then there is no compulsion for one to see the things closely and intently. There is nothing like "supernatural" in Quran/Islam/Muhammad, please.
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That is blatantly a falsehood, foist that sort of horse pucky off on your coreligionists, but please, drop the pretense with those of us who know better, it is downright insulting.

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Atheism is the default mode. We are all born atheists and later in life a religion is indoctrinated into some of us.


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Is it from:

~science or
~from a Revealed Religion or
~just one's conjecture, please?

Kindly make us all wise in the regards, please.

Regards


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It is from direct observation, I guess one could call that science ... atheism is the state that in which we are all born.


guess and science!!!???

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You seem to having trouble with your English, so let me be clearer: it is from direct observation, it is falsifiable, it is reproducible, so it may legitimately be called science.

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