"Atheists believe there is no God"

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Re: "Atheists believe there is no God"

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Did one study Quran from cover to cover, please.


There is no need to study the Quran once it is realized that it is based on belief in a supernatural god being similar to Christianity and other religions. And no such beings have ever been shown to exist in any form. This alone is sufficient reason to classify the Quran the same as the Christian bible and other similar holy books, and reject them as simple myth and allegory written by scientifically illiterate people living in different times.

Children generally adopt the religion of their parents and local society and mostly stick with it for the rest of their lives. It is hard to get many people to step back and look objectively at their religion, and draw conclusions based on a rational analysis of their history, the origin of the various stories involved, etc. They just blindly believe and never question, and willfully remain ignorant of other ideas and viewpoints.

So I'd argue that religion is borne more of ignorance than atheism. The refusal of a huge number of people to even look at the big picture and do their own analysis almost guarantees this.
But the fact that some geniuses were laughed at does not imply that all who are laughed at are geniuses. They laughed at Columbus, they laughed at Fulton, they laughed at the Wright Brothers. But they also laughed at Bozo the Clown..
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Re: "Atheists believe there is no God"

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atheism is arrived at by a process of reasoning.
One interpreted the process wrong. If one found one religion say Christianity wrong, then Gnosticism then another religion wrong; it was wrong to conclude that that makes Atheism right. Atheism is to be found right irrespective of the others. It is not the fault of the process, it is reading and leading the process and interpreting it wrong. One's reasoning process was not error-free. Right, please?

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Re: "Atheists believe there is no God"

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For example: you say God wrote a book in which he says that heaven has furniture in it, such as couches. Reason suggests this is silly. So I bring reason to the table to show your claim has no weight.

God, in his alleged book, says that corpses will be revived to have non-marital sex with girls. This seems an absurdity, given corpses don't indulge in sexual activity.
One's study of Quran is not error-free, please. Since one says one has read Quran, please make everybody wise by giving the verses related to the above quotes from one. Right, please?
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paarsurrey1 wrote: [Replying to post 297 by marco]
marco
atheism is arrived at by a process of reasoning.
One interpreted the process wrong. If one found one religion say Christianity wrong, then Gnosticism then another religion wrong; it was wrong to conclude that that makes Atheism right. Atheism is to be found right irrespective of the others. It is not the fault of the process, it is reading and leading the process and interpreting it wrong. One's reasoning process was not error-free. Right, please?

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Atheism is the default mode. We are all born atheists and later in life a religion is indoctrinated into some of us. For that matter, you are an atheist when it comes to all gods but your Allah, we share exactly the same conclusions, for most all of religion, I just carry it one tiny god further.
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paarsurrey1 wrote: [Replying to post 297 by marco]
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atheism is arrived at by a process of reasoning.
One interpreted the process wrong. If one found one religion say Christianity wrong, then Gnosticism then another religion wrong; it was wrong to conclude that that makes Atheism right. Atheism is to be found right irrespective of the others. It is not the fault of the process, it is reading and leading the process and interpreting it wrong. One's reasoning process was not error-free. Right, please?

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We are all born atheists and later in life a religion is indoctrinated into some of us, some of the indoctrinated then manage to escape the clutches of these illogical belief systems.

The idea that highly specialized knowledge is required to see the absurdity of all supernatural belief is highly questionable, especially when it comes to belief systems that are so similar as, say, all Abrahamics.
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paarsurrey1 wrote: [Replying to post 297 by marco]
marco
atheism is arrived at by a process of reasoning.
One interpreted the process wrong. If one found one religion say Christianity wrong, then Gnosticism then another religion wrong; it was wrong to conclude that that makes Atheism right. Atheism is to be found right irrespective of the others. It is not the fault of the process, it is reading and leading the process and interpreting it wrong. One's reasoning process was not error-free. Right, please?

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Atheism is the default mode. We are all born atheists and later in life a religion is indoctrinated into some of us.
Is it from:

~science or
~from a Revealed Religion or
~just one's conjecture, please?

Kindly make us all wise in the regards, please.

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paarsurrey1 wrote: [Replying to post 297 by marco]
marco
atheism is arrived at by a process of reasoning.
One interpreted the process wrong. If one found one religion say Christianity wrong, then Gnosticism then another religion wrong; it was wrong to conclude that that makes Atheism right. Atheism is to be found right irrespective of the others. It is not the fault of the process, it is reading and leading the process and interpreting it wrong. One's reasoning process was not error-free. Right, please?

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Atheism is the default mode. We are all born atheists and later in life a religion is indoctrinated into some of us.
Is it from:

~science or
~from a Revealed Religion or
~just one's conjecture, please?

Kindly make us all wise in the regards, please.

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It is from direct observation, I guess one could call that science ... atheism is the state that in which we are all born.
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Re: "Atheists believe there is no God"

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paarsurrey1 wrote: [Replying to post 297 by marco]
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atheism is arrived at by a process of reasoning.
One interpreted the process wrong. If one found one religion say Christianity wrong, then Gnosticism then another religion wrong; it was wrong to conclude that that makes Atheism right. Atheism is to be found right irrespective of the others. It is not the fault of the process, it is reading and leading the process and interpreting it wrong. One's reasoning process was not error-free. Right, please?

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One did not misinterpret the process. I have NOT concluded there is NO God; I have consistently said I have no idea what is beyond my existence. I have, however, used reason to dismiss Allah and Yahweh. Allah has been badly constructed on Yahweh, so deserves less attention but unfortunately gets too much attention today.

Since you did not use reason to come to your conclusions about Allah, then my limited use of reason surely excels your zero use. Given my many excursions in mathematics, languages and philosophy I think, without being arrogant, that my reasoning processes are healthy.

I think it is incorrect to say: there is NO God. Thus I am no atheist. I do believe FIRMLY that there is no Allah. I am grateful for this. He sounds horrible, as does Yahweh his brother.

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Re: "Atheists believe there is no God"

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it is realized that it is based on belief in a supernatural god being similar to Christianity
So, sorry, I believe that one even did not read the teachings of Jesus as one thinks that Islam/Quran/Muhammad and the Pauline-Christianity are one and the same. One's generalization is wrong.
But then there is no compulsion for one to see the things closely and intently. There is nothing like "supernatural" in Quran/Islam/Muhammad, please.
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Re: "Atheists believe there is no God"

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Atheism is the default mode. We are all born atheists and later in life a religion is indoctrinated into some of us.
paarsurrey1
Is it from:

~science or
~from a Revealed Religion or
~just one's conjecture, please?

Kindly make us all wise in the regards, please.

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H.sapiens
It is from direct observation, I guess one could call that science ... atheism is the state that in which we are all born.
guess and science!!!???

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