Big Bang 'All from Nothing' Nonsense - Scientists Wrong?

[ftacky]

The laws of physics tell us: Matter cannot be created (nor can it create itself).

However, the Big Bang scientists tell us everything came from nothing! How can so many scientists who know the laws of physics be so wrong?

Question: Has anyone ever seen something come from nothing? If you have, your eyes are lying to you.
Question: Do you believe something can come from nothing? If you do, you are lying to yourself.

This hasn't stopped secularists - bent on denying their Creator - from making up fanciful and unscientific theories to sooth their consciences. Here are some quotes:


"Because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing...Spontaneous creation is the reason there is something rather than nothing, why the universe exists, why we exist." (Stephen Hawking: 'God did not create the Universe'; http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11161493).

"But the latest scientific consensus asserts that the universe sprang naturally from nothing because the total energy of the universe equals zero (thanks to negative energy). Nature abhors a void and fills it with quantum fluctuations." ('Is Everybody 100% Positive There is no God?', http://www.atheistnexus.org).

Richard Dawkins: "The fact that life evolved out of nearly nothing, some 10 billion years AFTER THE UNIVERSE EVOLVED OUT OF LITERALLY NOTHING is a fact so staggering that I would be mad to attempt words to do it justice." ('From tail to tale on the path of pilgrims in life', The Scotsman, April 9, 2005).

"It is rather fantastic to realize that the laws of physics can describe how everything was created in a random quantum fluctuation out of nothing, and how over the course of 15 billion years, matter could organize in such complex ways that we have human beings sitting here, talking, doing things intentionally." (Alan Harvey Guth, theoretical physicist and cosmologist, Discover Magazine, April 1, 2002)

"To the average person it might seem obvious that nothing can happen in nothing. But to a quantum physicist, nothing is, in fact, something." (Discover Magazine, 'Physics & Math/Cosmology').

"To understand these facts we have to turn to science. Where did they all come from, and how did they get so darned outrageous? Well, it all started with nothing." ('Fifty Outrageous Animal Facts', Animal Planet).

"Few people are aware of the fact that many modern physicists claim that things -- perhaps even the entire universe -- can indeed arise from nothing via natural processes." ('Creation ex nihilo -- Without God', 1997, Atheist, Mark I. Vuletic).

"This initial paucity of information is consistent with the notion that the universe sprang from nothing." ( 'The Universe Sprang From Nothing', Seth Lloyd, Physicist).

"Assuming the universe came from nothing, it is empty to begin with . . . Only by the constant action of an agent outside the universe, such as God, could a state of nothingness be maintained. The fact that we have something is just what we would expect if there is no God." (Victor J. Stenger, atheist, Prof. Physics, University of Hawaii. Author of, 'God: The Failed Hypothesis. How Science Shows That God Does Not Exist').

"Even if we don't have a precise idea of exactly what took place at the beginning, we can at least see that the origin of the universe from nothing need not be unlawful or unnatural or unscientific." (Paul Davies, physicist, Arizona State University).

"Some physicists believe our universe was created by colliding with another, but Kaku [a theoretical physicist at City University of New York] says it also may have sprung from nothing . . . " (Scienceline.org)

"Maybe the universe itself sprang into existence out of nothingness - a gigantic vacuum fluctuation which we know today as the big bang. Remarkably, the laws of modern physics allow for this possibility. (Pagels, 1982, 247. 'How the Universe can come from Nothing').

"The universe burst into something from absolutely nothing—zero, nada. And as it got bigger, it became filled with even more stuff that came from absolutely nowhere." (Discover magazine, April 2002).

"Space and time both started at the Big Bang and therefore there was nothing before it." (Cornell University 'Ask an Astronomer').

"It is now becoming clear that everything can -- and probably did -- come from nothing." (Robert A. J. Matthews, physicist, Ashton University, England).

"Prior to the singularity, nothing existed, not space, time, matter, or energy - nothing. So where and in what did the singularity appear if not in space? We don't know." (All About Science).

"So now you have an idea of just what went on in the early Universe, and how we got from nothing to something. But if you want the really short version, it runs like this, 'First there was nothing, then there was the Big Bang, and energy cooled down into matter, and we're made of matter, so here we are." (Karl S. Kruszelnicki, News in Science).

"If this admittedly speculative hypothesis is correct, then the answer to the ultimate question is that the universe is the ultimate free lunch! It came from nothing, and its total energy is zero, but it nevertheless has incredible structure and complexity." (Alexei V. Filippenko and Jay M. Pasachoff, 'A Universe from Nothing').

"It's no miracle, it requires no magic man in the sky, particle/anti-particle pairs just pop into existence constantly." (PZ Myers, Something Comes From Nothing; Pharyngula, February 3, 2011).

“The universe is flat. It has zero total energy and it could have begun from nothing ...
If you have nothing in quantum mechanics, you'll always get something. It's that simple.�
(Theoretical physicist Lawrence Krauss, 'A Universe From Nothing', October 21, 2009, Atheist Alliance International event).

“Because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing. Spontaneous creation is the reason there is something rather than nothing, why the universe exists, why we exist.� (Professor Stephen Hawking, 'Stephen Hawking says universe not created by God', September 2, 2010, The Guardian Online).


Question: Why do so many scientists with PhDs believe all matter in the universe came from nothing? That is, mega-tons of dirt and rock - from nothing! They know the standard laws of physics. So why?

Jesus gave us the answer: The Narrow and Wide Gates (Matthew 7):

“Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it."

We will notice that Jesus made no mention of educational status. This is because, whether we on the broad road running away from God or on the narrow road running to God, our education and intellect is not the key - instead, the key is our motives and attitudes.

Matthew 5: Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God.

Question: What is the condition of your heart? Are you prejudiced against God?

Instead of entertaining fairy tales (which violate the laws of physics) about how everything came from nothing, we all need to heed these words:

“Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives; the one who seeks finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened." (Matthew 7)

"You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart." (Jeremiah 29).

Do this experiment: Pray God would open you eyes, then read the Bible daily with an open mind. I suggest starting at Matthew.


What do you think?

[Delphi]

Thank you for nothing.

[H.sapiens]

The laws of physics tell us: Matter cannot be created (nor can it create itself).

However, the Big Bang scientists tell us everything came from nothing! How can so many scientists who know the laws of physics be so wrong?

Question: Has anyone ever seen something come from nothing? If you have, your eyes are lying to you.
Question: Do you believe something can come from nothing? If you do, you are lying to yourself.

This hasn't stopped secularists - bent on denying their Creator - from making up fanciful and unscientific theories to sooth their consciences. Here are some quotes:


"Because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing...Spontaneous creation is the reason there is something rather than nothing, why the universe exists, why we exist." (Stephen Hawking: 'God did not create the Universe'; http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11161493).

"But the latest scientific consensus asserts that the universe sprang naturally from nothing because the total energy of the universe equals zero (thanks to negative energy). Nature abhors a void and fills it with quantum fluctuations." ('Is Everybody 100% Positive There is no God?', http://www.atheistnexus.org).

Richard Dawkins: "The fact that life evolved out of nearly nothing, some 10 billion years AFTER THE UNIVERSE EVOLVED OUT OF LITERALLY NOTHING is a fact so staggering that I would be mad to attempt words to do it justice." ('From tail to tale on the path of pilgrims in life', The Scotsman, April 9, 2005).

"It is rather fantastic to realize that the laws of physics can describe how everything was created in a random quantum fluctuation out of nothing, and how over the course of 15 billion years, matter could organize in such complex ways that we have human beings sitting here, talking, doing things intentionally." (Alan Harvey Guth, theoretical physicist and cosmologist, Discover Magazine, April 1, 2002)

"To the average person it might seem obvious that nothing can happen in nothing. But to a quantum physicist, nothing is, in fact, something." (Discover Magazine, 'Physics & Math/Cosmology').

"To understand these facts we have to turn to science. Where did they all come from, and how did they get so darned outrageous? Well, it all started with nothing." ('Fifty Outrageous Animal Facts', Animal Planet).

"Few people are aware of the fact that many modern physicists claim that things -- perhaps even the entire universe -- can indeed arise from nothing via natural processes." ('Creation ex nihilo -- Without God', 1997, Atheist, Mark I. Vuletic).

"This initial paucity of information is consistent with the notion that the universe sprang from nothing." ( 'The Universe Sprang From Nothing', Seth Lloyd, Physicist).

"Assuming the universe came from nothing, it is empty to begin with . . . Only by the constant action of an agent outside the universe, such as God, could a state of nothingness be maintained. The fact that we have something is just what we would expect if there is no God." (Victor J. Stenger, atheist, Prof. Physics, University of Hawaii. Author of, 'God: The Failed Hypothesis. How Science Shows That God Does Not Exist').

"Even if we don't have a precise idea of exactly what took place at the beginning, we can at least see that the origin of the universe from nothing need not be unlawful or unnatural or unscientific." (Paul Davies, physicist, Arizona State University).

"Some physicists believe our universe was created by colliding with another, but Kaku [a theoretical physicist at City University of New York] says it also may have sprung from nothing . . . " (Scienceline.org)

"Maybe the universe itself sprang into existence out of nothingness - a gigantic vacuum fluctuation which we know today as the big bang. Remarkably, the laws of modern physics allow for this possibility. (Pagels, 1982, 247. 'How the Universe can come from Nothing').

"The universe burst into something from absolutely nothing—zero, nada. And as it got bigger, it became filled with even more stuff that came from absolutely nowhere." (Discover magazine, April 2002).

"Space and time both started at the Big Bang and therefore there was nothing before it." (Cornell University 'Ask an Astronomer').

"It is now becoming clear that everything can -- and probably did -- come from nothing." (Robert A. J. Matthews, physicist, Ashton University, England).

"Prior to the singularity, nothing existed, not space, time, matter, or energy - nothing. So where and in what did the singularity appear if not in space? We don't know." (All About Science).

"So now you have an idea of just what went on in the early Universe, and how we got from nothing to something. But if you want the really short version, it runs like this, 'First there was nothing, then there was the Big Bang, and energy cooled down into matter, and we're made of matter, so here we are." (Karl S. Kruszelnicki, News in Science).

"If this admittedly speculative hypothesis is correct, then the answer to the ultimate question is that the universe is the ultimate free lunch! It came from nothing, and its total energy is zero, but it nevertheless has incredible structure and complexity." (Alexei V. Filippenko and Jay M. Pasachoff, 'A Universe from Nothing').

"It's no miracle, it requires no magic man in the sky, particle/anti-particle pairs just pop into existence constantly." (PZ Myers, Something Comes From Nothing; Pharyngula, February 3, 2011).

“The universe is flat. It has zero total energy and it could have begun from nothing ...
If you have nothing in quantum mechanics, you'll always get something. It's that simple.�
(Theoretical physicist Lawrence Krauss, 'A Universe From Nothing', October 21, 2009, Atheist Alliance International event).

“Because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing. Spontaneous creation is the reason there is something rather than nothing, why the universe exists, why we exist.� (Professor Stephen Hawking, 'Stephen Hawking says universe not created by God', September 2, 2010, The Guardian Online).


Question: Why do so many scientists with PhDs believe all matter in the universe came from nothing? That is, mega-tons of dirt and rock - from nothing! They know the standard laws of physics. So why?

Jesus gave us the answer: The Narrow and Wide Gates (Matthew 7):

“Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it."

We will notice that Jesus made no mention of educational status. This is because, whether we on the broad road running away from God or on the narrow road running to God, our education and intellect is not the key - instead, the key is our motives and attitudes.

Matthew 5: Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God.

Question: What is the condition of your heart? Are you prejudiced against God?

Instead of entertaining fairy tales (which violate the laws of physics) about how everything came from nothing, we all need to heed these words:

“Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives; the one who seeks finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened." (Matthew 7)

"You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart." (Jeremiah 29).

Do this experiment: Pray God would open you eyes, then read the Bible daily with an open mind. I suggest starting at Matthew.


What do you think?

I think that you are akin to trying to apply Newton's concepts (which are close but no cigar) to Einstein's universe.

[Divine Insight]

The laws of physics tell us: Matter cannot be created (nor can it create itself).

However, the Big Bang scientists tell us everything came from nothing! How can so many scientists who know the laws of physics be so wrong?

What you have just stated is extremely naive and does not represent modern science. The claim that matter/energy must be conserved only applies in macro situations. Cosmologists now have a much deeper understanding of physics and believe that gravity may play a large roll in this conservation law. Energy/matter may indeed be created from nothing providing that you also create a gravitational field to offset it. It is believed that this may have been precisely what happened during the Big Bang. The universe may ultimately sum to zero. The universe may indeed be the ultimate free lunch.

So you are wrong about what modern scientists actually know.

Do this experiment: Pray God would open you eyes, then read the Bible daily with an open mind. I suggest starting at Matthew.


What do you think?

I think you are attempting to use the Science and Religion forum as a pulpit for preaching Christian Evangelism.

Why should we start reading the Bible at Matthew? That's in the New Testament. It was also copied largely from Mark so shouldn't a person read Mark first, and also be told that the ending of Mark was added many years after Mark had been written? Also if we are going to learn about this Biblical God we should start reading the Bible at Genesis Chapter 1. After all, Jesus isn't going to make any sense at all until we have previously learned that Yahweh is out to hatefully condemn us to death for the crimes of our ancestors.

In short, it makes no sense to place your faith in the idea that Jesus can "save" you from condemnation until you FIRST place your faith in the idea that Yahweh is out to condemn you.

So before you even speak to me about Jesus first convince me that Yahweh exists and hates my guts. Because until you've convinced me of that I would have no need of any "salvation" or grace that Jesus is supposedly offering.

You need to FIRST convince me that some jealous hateful irate God is out to condemn me. Otherwise it would be silly to expect me to think that I would need his demigod Son as my "savior".

You would also need to FIRST own up to the fact that you are totally ignorant of modern science and that you have no clue what modern scientists actually know. Until you do that I see no reason to believe that you are even willing to acknowledge any actual truths.

[Talishi]

The laws of physics tell us: Matter cannot be created (nor can it create itself). However, the Big Bang scientists tell us everything came from nothing! How can so many scientists who know the laws of physics be so wrong?

Not guilty. Scientists don't say everything came from nothing. They say 13.8 billion years ago marked the beginning of the expansion of space time, carrying everything farther apart and reducing the temperature of everything, a process that continues today.

[theStudent]

A simple mathematical rule says zero plus zero is always zero (0+0=0), zero sums zero is always zero (0x0=0).

A simple law of of science - Causality - says for every effect, there must be a cause.

The Big Bang theory broke two fundamental laws. Why? It's not science.

To make it worst, including gravity as an explnation for the impossible is the same as calling on a magician - out of nowhere - to solve the problem.

[Talishi]

A simple law of of science - Causality - says for every effect, there must be a cause.

Precisely. That's why we keep your Causeless First Cause out of school rooms. Not scientific.

[Divine Insight]

To make it worst, including gravity as an explnation for the impossible is the same as calling on a magician - out of nowhere - to solve the problem.

Actually it's not worse because it can shown to be a mathematically sound model.

And besides postulating that a magician had preexisted the universe doesn't solve any problem because then you would still need to explain how the magician came to be.

And in the case of the Biblical God you would need to also explain how such a mentally ill and morally corrupt magician could have created the humans who are clearly far superior to the magician in character.

The bottom line seems to be that theists have no idea how to solve any problems. Their idea that a magician solves the problem makes no sense. The only reason we accept that a human magician can explain away a problem is because human magicians are actually illusionists who work within the laws of physics. So if a human magician does something we know there is a scientific explanation for how they did it.

[Talishi]

A simple mathematical rule says zero plus zero is always zero (0+0=0), zero sums zero is always zero (0x0=0).

A simple quantum rule says there no such thing as zero in a physical sense. The smallest possible unit of time is 5.3 x 10^-44 seconds. The smallest possible unit of space is 1.4 x 10^-33 cm.

[theStudent]

[Replying to post 7 by Talishi]

Precisely. That's why we keep your Causeless First Cause out of school rooms. Not scientific.

Did you mean causedless?
Causeless seeem to indicare caused, as in was caused.
Causedless seems more like the cause.

Well that places the we(s) at zero then. No chemicals for that soup.