What is your tablet for discrediting the Bible?

[sawthelight]

The Bible should stand alone as truthful without any error to be deemed as the true word of God. However, what happens when just one error in the Bible is found? Does it take just one error or is more of them required to discredit the Bible? How about having 8 solid errors to rock your faith?

One error may seem inconsequential but it still would deem God in error and the Bible as fallible and finite. But to add insult to injury when 8 blatant errors show up, it is safe to discard the Bible as nothing more than the sole concocting of human beings.

What is your tablet of Biblical errors that you find contradictory and have caused you to dismiss the Bible as a fallacy? What debates did you have that included these tablets of errors you had with Christian theists that left you disenchanted or in utter disappointment?



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Here is my list of debates with theists that came to an unsatisfactory conclusion:

1) The marriage parable [Matthew 22:30 VS. Revelation 21:9, Ephesians 5:25-27].
Jesus says no marriage will occur in heaven yet the Lamb (a.k.a Jesus) is standing with his bride in heaven after the Day of Judgement. No marriage is supposed to occur in heaven.

2) The mustard seed parable [Matthew 13:31-32].
Jesus claims as a fact that the Mustard seed is the smallest of all seeds in the Bible. Yet we know the Orchid seed is smaller than the Mustard seed. Jesus failed to be correct.

3) Faith VS. Deeds [Romans 2:6-10, Galatians 2:15-16 VS. James 2:14-24].
The Bible contradicts when Paul says ONLY FAITH allows a believer into heaven when James says that faith AND WORKS together earns salvation. Both contradict.

4) The Law is to be upheld. The Law is abolished [Matthew 5:17 VS. Ephesian 2:15].
Jesus came NOT TO abolish the Law but to uphold it. Paul says that the Law HAS BEEN ABOLISHED. Two opposing doctrines.

5) The Trinity is polytheism rather than monotheism [1 John 5:7-8 VS. John 14:28].
Somehow the Trinity is supposed to mean that the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are all equal as one. Yet Jesus says "the Father is greater than I". Indication of unequal standings.

6) God is against God [Luke 4:5-7 & Revelations 11:16-18].
God gives away all authority on earth to Satan his enemy. He is also the suspect who killed his angels for destroying earth. A house divided against itself will not stand.

7) Children punished for sin of parents VS. The children no longer punished for parent's sin [Deuteronomy 5:9 VS. Ezekiel 18:1-30].
Shows that God has a changing nature.

8) God has a supposed unchanging nature [Hebrews 6:17].
Point # 7 indicates a change of nature. Being a distant and indifferent God in the OT to becoming a more approachable and accessible God in NT is a change of nature.


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These 8 points I bring up show blatant forgeries, contradictions, and errors that indicate that the God of Israel is nothing but an indecisive, inconsistent, charlatan who professes the supposed truth to the right way.

The word "right" however is synonymous with the words honest, legitimate, proper, and appropriate (Thesaurus.com).

The 8 points I listed above show me that the God of Israel is anything but "right." He is sporadic with his decrees which cost the lives of people for mistakes that God has made. God is not taking responsibility for the action he takes. The blame is shifted unto his creation who have no clue when things go awry.

This sounds a lot like big business being bailed out in US when they commit fraud on an international scale which results in tax payers paying for the mistakes of big business. How is that right at all? This example illustrates the God of Israel.

This allows me to leave Christianity with confidence and be certain of the choice I made as right. Writing out a list like this helps me compile my thoughts better to know why I left rather than have it all jumbled in my head. This is my tablet if you will.

What are your reasons for being disenchanted with Christianity? Can you make a list?

[Compassionist]

[Replying to post 1 by sawthelight]

Thank you for pointing those out.

Here is a list of 492 contradictions in the Bible: http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/by_book.html

Here is a list of 1321 cruelties in the Bible: http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty/long.html

Here is a list of 236 failed prophecies in the Bible: http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/proph/long.html

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to post 1 by sawthelight]

Thank you for pointing those out.

Here is a list of 492 contradictions in the Bible: http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/by_book.html

Here is a list of 1321 cruelties in the Bible: http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty/long.html

Here is a list of 236 failed prophecies in the Bible: http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/proph/long.html

My understanding this is a debating forum and not a link posting forum. I personally don't debate with links. If you have Something to say above and beyond 'here is Something to read' I'd be more than happy to read it, but I will be keeping a lost eye on this post to see if it is indeed acceptable for me just to point out that there is information available and post the links without further comment.

If this is okay for this forum I will start making similar posts without hesitation in future; indeed to do as you have done will be my absolute pleasure.


Bookmarked,


JW

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to post 1 by sawthelight]

None of the (8) points discredit the bible, they simply boil down to how one interprets the words. I personally am not a bible literalist and recongize that people don't always speak in absolute terms.

We have had many a healthy discussion on these theological points over in TD&D as to what these and scriptures like them actually mean, this no more discredits the bible than discussing a song lyrics discredits the song.


JW

[Compassionist]

[Replying to post 1 by sawthelight]

Thank you for pointing those out.

Here is a list of 492 contradictions in the Bible: http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/by_book.html

Here is a list of 1321 cruelties in the Bible: http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty/long.html

Here is a list of 236 failed prophecies in the Bible: http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/proph/long.html

My understanding this is a debating forum and not a link posting forum. I personally don't debate with links. If you have Something to say I'd be more than happy to read it, but I will be keeping a lost eye on this post to see if it is indeed acceptable for me just to point out that there is information available and post links without further comment.

If this is okay for this forum I will start posting one line and a list of links without hesitation in future; indeed to do as you have done will be my pleasure.


Bookmarked,


JW

Thanks for your post. I am not going to type out the many hundreds of issues with the Bible. It is much more efficient to post links.

[Elijah John]

Why is it all or nothing? Why do some errors (absurdities, contradictions or atrocities) contained within the Bible make it a "fallacy" as a whole, as the OP seems to be suggesting?

Seems to me a single (or more) error only discredits the edifice of infallibility, not the value of of the Bible completely.

For this rational Theist, only God is perfect. To consider the Bible to be perfect is a form of idolatry, it seems to me.

[Justin108]

None of the (8) points discredit the bible, they simply boil down to how one interprets the words. I personally am not a bible literalist and recongize that people don't always speak in absolute terms.

Matthew 13:31-32
"31 He presented another illustration to them, saying: “The Kingdom of the heavens is like a mustard grain that a man took and planted in his field. 32 It is, in fact, the tiniest of all the seeds, but when it has grown, it is the largest of the vegetable plants and becomes a tree, so that the birds of heaven come and find lodging among its branches.�" - NWT

https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bibl ... atthew/13/

How is "the tiniest of all the seeds" not an absolute term?

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to post 7 by Justin108]

Do you know what "speaking in relative/absolute terms" means? If so how would you explain it? Do you think everyone speaks in absolute terms all the time? If not, is using a superlative necessarily proof one is doing so?

[Justin108]

[Replying to post 7 by Justin108]

Do you know what "speaking in relative/absolute terms" means? If so how would you explain it? Do you think everyone speaks in absolute terms all the time?

"tinier than other seeds" - this is speaking in relative terms
"the tiniest of all the seeds" - this is speaking in absolute terms

If not, is using a superlative necessarily proof one is doing so?

If Jesus said mustard seeds are "extremely tiny", then he would be speaking superlatively. But he made the declarative statement that it is "the tiniest of all seeds". This is not just speaking superlatively, this is speaking in absolutes.

Jesus could have called them "extremely tiny", he could have said they were "tinier than most seeds" but instead he said they were "the tiniest of all seeds"

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to post 7 by Justin108]

Do you know what "speaking in relative/absolute terms" means? If so how would you explain it? Do you think everyone speaks in absolute terms all the time?

"tinier than other seeds" - this is speaking in relative terms
"the tiniest of all the seeds" - this is speaking in absolute terms

No, they are comparative and superlative adjectives; I didn't ask for examples of parts of speech, my question was what does speaking in relative /absolute terms MEAN? Do you know? If so, are you able to explain ?