Created immortal (indestructable)?

[JehovahsWitness]

To my knowledge "immortality" is only spoken of as being a reward for certain faithful. What is the scriptural basis for saying "humans" were originally created immortal*?

- do you believe Satan is immortal?
- do you believe the wicked are immortal?

- do you believe God can destroy them (as in put an end to their existence) but will never choose to do this?

- do you believe God cannot (does not have the ability to) destroy them (put an end to their existence)?

Why?


*by immortal I mean basically "indestructable"

[JehovahsWitness]

So you believe Satan is immortal. Was he created immortal or do you believe Satan was at some point given immortality?

He wasn't created. He just was just like God is.

So you believe Satan had no beginning and will have no end?
Does that not make Satan infinite, an uncreated being equal to God?

[postroad]

[Replying to post 20 by Claire Evans]
That is an astounding statement. That makes him a God in every sense of the word. Your concept however would remove some of the doctrinal difficulties surrounding Christianity. Now a true struggle would be possible eliminating the nagging concern that God is psychoticaly playing with his creation. Which of these Gods created our existence and reality?

[ttruscott]

[Replying to post 17 by ttruscott]
Will scriptural proof suffice?

Job 34:13-15New International Version (NIV)

13 Who appointed him over the earth?
Who put him in charge of the whole world?
14 If it were his intention
and he withdrew his spirit[a] and breath,
15 all humanity would perish together
and mankind would return to the dust.

Without being sure how these verse reflect upon my post, I can safely say Job 34:1 Then Elihu said: tells us that they are untrustworthy as YHWH castigated Elihu for his pagan doctrine.

[postroad]

[Replying to post 23 by ttruscott] that will work for me. Some more pagan doctrine.

Job 34:10-12New International Version (NIV)

10 “So listen to me, you men of understanding.
Far be it from God to do evil,
from the Almighty to do wrong.
11 He repays everyone for what they have done;
he brings on them what their conduct deserves.
12 It is unthinkable that God would do wrong,
that the Almighty would pervert justice.

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to post 20 by Claire Evans]
That is an astounding statement. That makes him a God in every sense of the word.

But how would such a belief harmonize with Isaiah 45:5 which states "I am Jehovah, and there is none else, Except Me there is no God"?

[tam]

[Replying to post 17 by ttruscott]
Will scriptural proof suffice?

Job 34:13-15New International Version (NIV)

13 Who appointed him over the earth?
Who put him in charge of the whole world?
14 If it were his intention
and he withdrew his spirit[a] and breath,
15 all humanity would perish together
and mankind would return to the dust.

Without being sure how these verse reflect upon my post, I can safely say Job 34:1 Then Elihu said: tells us that they are untrustworthy as YHWH castigated Elihu for his pagan doctrine.

Where did God castigate Elihu for this?


Elihu was the one who came in and rebuked and corrected the so called wise men who were speaking falsely against both Job and God. Those men were the ones rebuked by God. Not Elihu.


Elihu spoke in truth. Not from his own knowledge, but from the knowledge of God that was given to him. (Job 36: 3)



Peace to you,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy

[postroad]

[Replying to post 25 by JehovahsWitness] I guess we have to make room in the godhead for Satan?

2 Samuel 24:1
[ David Enrolls the Fighting Men ] Again the anger of the Lord burned against Israel, and he incited David against them, saying, “Go and take a census of Israel and Judah.�

1 Chronicles 21:1
[ David Counts the Fighting Men ] Satan rose up against Israel and incited David to take a census of Israel.

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to post 27 by postroad]

Count me out, I only have one God JEHOVAH. He has no equal.

[ttruscott]

Elihu was the one who came in and rebuked and corrected the so called wise men who were speaking falsely against both Job and God. Those men were the ones rebuked by God. Not Elihu.
tammy

Thank you, I mixed the name up with Eliphaz without checking..sigh.

[ttruscott]

[Replying to post 17 by ttruscott]
Will scriptural proof suffice?

Job 34:13-15New International Version (NIV)

13 Who appointed him over the earth?
Who put him in charge of the whole world?
14 If it were his intention
and he withdrew his spirit[a] and breath,
15 all humanity would perish together
and mankind would return to the dust.

Proof of what? If this is not a mere foreshadowing of the flood, soon to happen, then Elihu seems to be saying that Job's attitude that he is targeted unrighteously is proven wrong by him still being alive, that GOD could eradicate all of humanity if HE desired (and soon does) so Job's trials must be for his edification, not judgement.

So I am not sure of your unspoken point.