So here's the deal.
Q: Would you like to be one the same page as me?
I would like to get on the same page with you. This thread is my expression of being proactive in regards to getting on the same page with you.
Divine Insight wrote:William wrote: Do you have the list of these supposed 'false claims' you claim I have made?At first, yes, you did. After I made the initial noise about it, you explained yourself and I accepted that but didn't let you off the hook because I decided that you filling in the gaps after the fact was a poor move in relation to integrity. (Honesty)Your MAIN CLAIM that I have contended that Christians are mindless slaves. I clearly never said that.
My opinion on that is this:Is it true the I view the Biblical Yahweh in the way I've described. Yes, absolutely! But what's wrong with that? Most Christians don't support Yahweh anyway. Most Christians follow Jesus not Yahweh. In fact, many Christians have the same problems with Yahweh as I do.
Biblical Yahweh is a story of a GOD from ancient times. The IDEA of GOD is allowed to evolve with the collective human psyche, but the old ideas have to be replaced with new ones in order for that to align. Without that alignment, humans may end up killing themselves and thus, GOD will die with them.
Biblical Yahweh is a GOD idea that hasn't evolved along with humanity but still exists as an ancient idea and most obviously has the most supporters. (Don't forget the Arabs.)
Thus Most Christians do indeed follow Yahwah, and so too, do most atheists, only of course the atheists don't like the idea of that which is why they are atheists.
Many Christians may indeed have the same Problem with Yahwah as you do, but my Divine Insight sees things differently.
I am not a Christian, but it could be said of me that I am, like you call yourself, and 'enlightened Christian'.
I will let YOU be the judge of that, and perhaps that is the starting point of our journey into the wilderness of the Same Page.
That is because Yahwah commanded him to because of the way the commandments had been abused.I even pointed out in this very thread that Jesus himself apparently did not care much for commandments that had been attributed to Yahweh. He obviously rebuked them himself.
From Moses to Jesus, it became very clear that 10 wee commandments we far too many to be handing out to humans because of how they manipulated them into thousands of sub clauses for easy access into the realm of - I shall call it - "Legal Disobedience" and in that, society Went To The Devil.
The Devil is Yahweh's imaginary opponent. AS with all things imagined by Yahweh, they become very real.
Anyway, it was Jesus' task to bring in the shorter version of the commandments - and the point from Moses on the mount to the time of Jesus on another mount (or was it the same mount?) was used by the Yawehians as a time for planning and waiting for the right moment to implement those plans.
In my opinion, they focus more on Paul, who again, brought in many sub clauses to explain what Jesus apparently hadn't or couldn't or wouldn't explain, or whatever.A lot of Christians have serious problems with the Old Testament narrative of Yahweh. That's why that would much rather focus on Jesus.
Very few Christians that I know of, follow after Jesus
Indirectly or directly?How many Christians do you hear singing praise to Yahweh?
Indirectly then - Jesus was the softer evolving version of Yahweh, presented at a time when there was some hope of him catching on with the human imagination...and indeed, it appears to have done so...They are far more likely to be singing praise to Jesus!
Indirectly - Yahweh loves them through the effigy of Jesus. Before Jesus, Yahweh had no form...and it is just as well by all accounts...otherwise if Moses had looked at him, the tribes would not have got their instructions.Can you show me a Christian Song entitled "What a Friend We Have in Yahweh"?
Also, do you see Christians teaching their children to sing:
Yahweh loves me this I know, for the Bible tells me so.
Nope, they teach their children that Jesus loves them, not Yahweh.
Jesus is the 'new improved' Yahweh now tolerable to the human eye and able to mingle without his presence causing people to drop dead of fright.
Good point. Historically Jews were even murdered by Christians, as if Jesus would ever condone such behavior from humans, let alone condone it being done in his name! Essentially such Christians would be regarded by Jesus and Yahweh, certainly as atheists, but even more so as diabolical.In fact, I claim that the vast majority of Christians don't like Yahweh at all. If you were to ask them to give up Jesus and become Jews who worship Yahweh they would say forget it. They would probably rather become atheists.
After all, the rules had changed, or to be more correct, simplified to be understood as they were always intended to be understood...due largely to the conferencing of the Yahwehians in developing on their plans for humanity, and how to correct that path through tweaking by the hand(s) of God(s).
Take Jesus out of Christianity and most Christians would tell Yahweh to go jump in his lake of fire.
That sounds like you just said it was Yahweh's lake of fire. Isn't it Jesus' lake of fire?
From what I have experienced, atheists don't even like Jesus. (or is that 'some atheists?'... I get confused)They tend to not like Yahweh anymore than atheists do.
So what is your point there?
Anyway, have a think about it and if you can see by your map if what I say helps you find "The Plateau of The Same Page" and if you are able to use your Compass of Divine Insight, (The Right Tool For The Job - It Is One Of Those Things) as intended, perhaps together we can get there?