Angels in creation

[Willum]

"Angels don't act like that!" Frank Castle
"I don't know, what do any of us really know about angels?" Steve Rogers

In John 1:1

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

If we translate word to mean "will," it implies that God employed angels working with his will in the beginning, or during creation.

Debate: Did God use angels directing them with his word in creation, acting "as one" with him?

Also, if not, why are angels needed with an all-powerful god?
and what then could John mean?

[Monta]

[Replying to amortalman]

".. the Bible does support the view that the creation of angels preceded the creation of man. That aside I don't think there's any support from the Bible account of what happened for believing that the disciples saw anything different from what Elijah and Moses saw."

You do not see that a person who has died is any different from a persone who is still in a natural/earthy body?

[polonius]

"Angels don't act like that!" Frank Castle
"I don't know, what do any of us really know about angels?" Steve Rogers

In John 1:1

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

If we translate word to mean "will," it implies that God employed angels working with his will in the beginning, or during creation.

Debate: Did God use angels directing them with his word in creation, acting "as one" with him?

Also, if not, why are angels needed with an all-powerful god?
and what then could John mean?

RESPONSE:

Willum posted.

it implies

Your use of the term "implies" suggests that there is no evidence. Just your theory.

[Willum]

[Replying to post 42 by polonius.advice]

Well thanks, that comment has, by itself, resolved the OP.

Not so much.

Sorry PA, so much of what is derived from the Bible is from implication and reference and inference, that your comment doesn't say anything.

It's a simple question, Angel assist in Armageddon, they wrestle folks, they carry messages, did they aid in creation?

[amortalman]

[Replying to amortalman]

".. the Bible does support the view that the creation of angels preceded the creation of man. That aside I don't think there's any support from the Bible account of what happened for believing that the disciples saw anything different from what Elijah and Moses saw."

You do not see that a person who has died is any different from a persone who is still in a natural/earthy body?

Of Course, they're different, but why just assume they become angels especially when there is no biblical evidence for it? In the Protestant faith, for the most part, it is believed that when a person dies "in Christ" (forgiven, saved, redeemed) their soul goes to heaven awaiting the return of Christ to earth at which time their soul is reunited with their indestructible, resurrected bodies. ( I'm just pointing out what I used to believe when I was a Christian, not what I believe now)

[Monta]

[Replying to Willum]

"It's a simple question, Angel assist in Armageddon, they wrestle folks, they carry messages, did they aid in creation?"

Angels did not exist at creation.

[Monta]

[Replying to post 44 by amortalman]


"Of Course, they're different, but why just assume they become angels especially when there is no biblical evidence for it? In the Protestant faith, for the most part, it is believed that when a person dies "in Christ" (forgiven, saved, redeemed) their soul goes to heaven awaiting the return of Christ to earth at which time their soul is reunited with their indestructible, resurrected bodies."

Most Christians read for themselves and have their own understanding regardless of what they hear in the Chuch.

If they are not diceased humans, what are they?