What better way to disprove the Bible

[Willum]

Givens:
Rome in Jesus time was a divine monarchy, ruled by the demi-god Tiberius Caesar, in the name of his father, who was a God, Caesar Augustus.
These two were empowered by the all-powerful Jove, aka Zeus, Jupiter, etc..
The coins used to pay Roman tax had "The God Augustus," or "Tiberius, son of the God Augustus" stamped right on them.

To give heed to false gods, is against the commandments, a sin and blasphemy, and it would be better to die than to do so.

Jesus said, within a short distance of temples raised to the Gods Jupiter and Augustus (where taxes were paid),

Matthew 22:21 Jesus said "Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's; and to God the things that are God's."

Essentially saying pay to one god, Caesar, his tithes, and to the other god, Theos, his tithes.

Also -

Romans 13:1 "Let every person be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God and those which exist are established by God."

Proposition:

However, anyone worshiping God, would be blaspheming by either respecting a pagan government, or paying tax to a different god.

How is it possible to rectify the blasphemies perpetrated and encouraged by the Christian spokesperson against his father?

Even touching the coins to pay Caesars' taxes would be blasphemy.

Is there some scripture that clarifies this? Is there anything other then denials and opinions that this is not the case?

[JehovahsWitness]

Even touching the coins to pay Caesars' taxes would be blasphemy?

Do you have a reference for this, above and beyond your own admirably colourful imagination?

[Divine Insight]

Also -

Romans 13:1 "Let every person be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God and those which exist are established by God."

Proposition:

However, anyone worshiping God, would be blaspheming by either respecting a pagan government, or paying tax to a different god.

How is it possible to rectify the blasphemies perpetrated and encouraged by the Christian spokesperson against his father?

Even touching the coins to pay Caesars' taxes would be blasphemy.

Is there some scripture that clarifies this? Is there anything other then denials and opinions that this is not the case?

But according to Romans 13:1 Caesars' authority was given to him by God. Therefore Caesars' authority is God's authority.

Same goes for people like Stalin, Hitler, Saddam Hussein, etc. All of these authorities were necessarily established by God according to Paul.

I think this is what demonstrates the extreme fallacy of the Biblical scriptures.

[JehovahsWitness]

I think this is what demonstrates the extreme fallacy of the Biblical scriptures.

Or the extreme fallacy of your interpretation of the Biblical scriptures. Close call? Not so much.

[Willum]

[Replying to post 2 by JehovahsWitness]

WHY are you perpetually asking ME to tell YOU about YOUR religion?

Anything unfit to worship God made one unclean. Check your Leviticus and more. Geeze, but if you are going to believe me as a cannon authority of your religion, YOU are in for one wild ride. Your religion is about to become much more fun.

[Replying to post 3 by Divine Insight]

So, you believe God empowered other Gods? Such as the Caesars? But then, what of Jove, also all-powerful, which Titan wins?

Anyway, it looks like Jesus is a proud supporters of pagan monarchies, putting them before his father...

[Divine Insight]

I think this is what demonstrates the extreme fallacy of the Biblical scriptures.

Or the extreme fallacy of your interpretation of the Biblical scriptures. Close call? Not so much.

My interpretation cannot be wrong because I asked the Holy Spirit of God to guide me in my understanding of scriptures. Are you suggesting that the Holy Spirit of God is untrustworthy and cannot be trusted to reveal to me the truth?

[Divine Insight]

[Replying to post 2 by JehovahsWitness]

WHY are you perpetually asking ME to tell YOU about YOUR religion?

Anything unfit to worship God made one unclean. Check you Leviticus and more. Geeze, but if you are going to believe me as a cannon authority of your religion, YOU are in for one wild ride. Your religion is about to become much for fun.

[Replying to post 3 by Divine Insight]

So, you believe God empowered other Gods? Such as the Caesars? But then, what of Jove, also all-powerful, which Titan wins?

Anyway, it looks like Jesus is a proud supporters of pagan monarchies, putting them before his father...

No. I simply commented on what Paul wrote. Not on what I believe any God might have actually done. I don't believe that a God would place Hitler in a position of authority, or even Donald Trump for that matter.

This is why I say that we can easily see that what Paul wrote is false.

[Willum]

[Replying to Divine Insight]

Ah, I see, I was mistaken - you are invoking Paul's words in the Bible, to disprove the Bible, because God would never nominate a Cortes, Polk, or other genocidal person.

So there are more than just two Bible passages that disprove it succinctly.
Very interesting, and divine, as always!

[rikuoamero]

I think this is what demonstrates the extreme fallacy of the Biblical scriptures.

Or the extreme fallacy of your interpretation of the Biblical scriptures. Close call? Not so much.

My interpretation cannot be wrong because I asked the Holy Spirit of God to guide me in my understanding of scriptures. Are you suggesting that the Holy Spirit of God is untrustworthy and cannot be trusted to reveal to me the truth?

Now of course, us long-time members of DC'n'R will just say to ourselves "DI is a non-believer, he didn't really ask God, he didn't really get a reply, or wasn't guided".
Thing is...when it comes to debate on this website...we actually CANNOT say that. After all...how many times have I debated with someone on this site who claims Divine Wisdom to back them up? How many site members claim to actually hear God/Jesus/Whatever and are serious about it? Can they chime in and say "Uh-uh, DI! God didn't say anything like that!"?

I'm just going to kick back and wait to see the, ahem, 'rebutalls' to DI.

[bluethread]

[Replying to post 2 by JehovahsWitness]

WHY are you perpetually asking ME to tell YOU about YOUR religion?

Anything unfit to worship God made one unclean. Check your Leviticus and more. Geeze, but if you are going to believe me as a cannon authority of your religion, YOU are in for one wild ride. Your religion is about to become much more fun.

The reason he is asking you to tell him about what the Scriptures say, is because you make claims as if you know. If you do not know, state them as your understanding or as a question. In this case you are wrong because you do not seem to understand what it means to be unclean. Clean, like holy, refers to being fit for a purpose. Generally, being unclean means that one can not enter the Temple. Regarding the specific example, the commandment regarding graven images has been interpreted in may ways. What Yeshua was saying was that in commerce with Caesar, use the coin of Caesar, in other areas do as Adonai commands. This is not a violation of Torah, because there is no command against touching something with an image on it. That is a rabbinic fence, designed to remove any doubt. It is not Torah.