Morality question

[Wootah]

Suppose you are the king of a country and that country has a small population of jews that you are happy with.

If there were immigrants that really honestly needed your help to survive but they hated the Jews and would overtime force them out.

Is it moral to protect the Jews or moral to save the refugees?

[ThePainefulTruth]

Suppose you are the king of a country and that country has a small population of jews that you are happy with.

If there were immigrants that really honestly needed your help to survive but they hated the Jews and would overtime force them out.

Is it moral to protect the Jews or moral to save the refugees?

He that troubleth his own house shall inherit the wind.

So, No.

Even more so, why would you accept immigrants whose religion's stated purpose is to establish a theocracy, subjecting everyone to their religion, by violence if necessary.

The problem with socialism, and theocracy (which are related), is that they subvert individual rights in the name of the common good or so-called group rights.

[marco]

In this hypothetical case I, as monarch, make sure emigrants understand the rules, formerly agree to the rules, and then I strictly enforce the rules. There are times when mercy is no mercy.

Well in the real case the emigrants can do what they want - it's the immigrants that worry us. And her Majesty, bless her, has enough to do avoiding the common cold; she has no say over those who want to be her subjects, with benefits.

But laughter apart, it is a sore question on the intention of half of Africa and Asia to decant themselves into European pastures. Morally it may be hard to say no to people who are already in the Atlantic on flimsy boats, but I understand that this moral dilemma was partly resolved by the expedient of throwing the Christians into the sea.

[Tcg]

Is it moral to protect the Jews or moral to save the refugees?

Yes, it is. Both are moral.

[ThePainefulTruth]

Is it moral to protect the Jews or moral to save the refugees?

Yes, it is. Both are moral.

But when the "refugees" are all military age males sworn to establish an Islamic theocracy, it's an invasion.

[Tcg]

Is it moral to protect the Jews or moral to save the refugees?

Yes, it is. Both are moral.

But when the "refugees" are all military age males sworn to establish an Islamic theocracy, it's an invasion.

If the refugees had the resources and the manpower to conduct an invasion, they wouldn't be refugees. Stick to the question as it is asked if you intend to address the proper answer I have given.

[jgh7]

Is it moral to protect the Jews or moral to save the refugees?

Yes, it is. Both are moral.

The OP describes the hypothetical as an either-or situation. You can only save the refugees by not protecting the Jews. You can only protect the Jews by not saving the refugees.

Are you saying that you can't go wrong, and that both options are equally morally good?

[ThePainefulTruth]

Is it moral to protect the Jews or moral to save the refugees?

Yes, it is. Both are moral.

But when the "refugees" are all military age males sworn to establish an Islamic theocracy, it's an invasion.

If the refugees had the resources and the manpower to conduct an invasion, they wouldn't be refugees. Stick to the question as it is asked if you intend to address the proper answer I have given.

Your situation makes is moral for two reasons to kick/keep them out. And the refugees are a covert invasion using our unbridled compassion against us. Same in Europe, only there it's political social-idiocracy--for which they're paying dearly.

[William]

Suppose you are the king of a country and that country has a small population of jews that you are happy with.

Okay.

If there were immigrants that really honestly needed your help to survive but they hated the Jews and would overtime force them out.

Is it moral to protect the Jews or moral to save the refugees?

I would not regard this as a question of morality but of common sense and decency -which of course - some may think is the same thing as morality.

I would look at what it means that someone 'honestly needed my help' - it hasn't been explained as what that might be in the scenario presented in the OP...but what has been presented is that these immigrants hated 'Jews' and their stated agenda (I assume it has been stated by the would-be Jew-hating wannabe immigrants) is that they will in time force these Jews OUT of my kingdom and make them someone elses wannabe immigrants.

In that case. all I would be doing is simply saying 'sure, come on in and make yourself at home and follow through with your agenda to replace Jews with yourselves!"

How that would be a morally good decision for a King to make, I do not know.

What I do know is that I am happy with the Jews in my kingdom and if that is the case then they must be doing good things for my kingdom, Why would I wish to replace this with inviting the likelihood of bad things coming into my kingdom and causing such terrible time and resource wasting events to unfold?

So based upon the OP information, as King, I would wisely say to those wannabe immigrants 'No way! Your racially based hate [bigotry] is not wanted in my kingdom!"

[Tcg]

The OP describes the hypothetical as an either-or situation. You can only save the refugees by not protecting the Jews. You can only protect the Jews by not saving the refugees.

Are you saying that you can't go wrong, and that both options are equally morally good?

You need to read the OP more carefully. It doesn't state that it is known that the refugees would eventually force the Jews out.

The proper thing to do at first is to protect both groups. If a king isn't able to do so in the long run, it simply reveals the incompetence of the king.

[jgh7]

[Replying to post 38 by Tcg]

I'm reading it as carefully as I can. It literally says the refugees hate the Jews and would force them out overtime.

Are you of the stance that a proper King would find a way to convince the refugees to peaceably live with the Jews? I'm not going to say that's impossible, but I think the kind of refugees being discussed here are the ones who hate to the point of violence (how else would they literally force Jews out if not through violent methods?). I simply wouldn't risk that for my citizens.