Which Gospel is Correct?

[oldbadger]

Some folks believe that the bible is perfect and infallible.

Which gospel could possibly be the correct account?
One records that Jesus was baptised, went out into the wilderness for 40 days, and then did not return to Galilee until after John's Arrest. The other records that Jesus was baptised, the next day met with Andrew and Simon, and then the next day went off to Galilee with them.

How can I know which to believe?

G-Mark:{1:9}
And it came to pass in those days, that Jesus came from
Nazareth of Galilee, and was baptized of John in Jordan.
{1:10} And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw
the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending
upon him: {1:11} And there came a voice from heaven,
[saying,] Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well
pleased. {1:12} And immediately the Spirit driveth him into
the wilderness. {1:13} And he was there in the wilderness
forty days, tempted of Satan; and was with the wild beasts;
and the angels ministered unto him. {1:14} Now after that
John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching
the gospel of the kingdom of God,

G-John: (OB:- this seems like the day after John Baptised Jesus.....) {1:40} One of the two which heard
John [speak,] and followed him, was Andrew, Simon
Peter’s brother. {1:41} He first findeth his own brother
Simon, and saith unto him, We have found the Messias,
which is, being interpreted, the Christ. {1:42} And he
brought him to Jesus. And when Jesus beheld him, he said,
Thou art Simon the son of Jona: thou shalt be called
Cephas, which is by interpretation, A stone.
{1:43} The day following Jesus would go forth into
Galilee, and findeth Philip, and saith unto him, Follow me.

[JehovahsWitness]

G-John: (OB:- this seems like the day after John Baptised Jesus.....)

... but does it SAY it was the day after John Baptised?

[polonius]

Some folks believe that the bible is perfect and infallible.

Which gospel could possibly be the correct account?
One records that Jesus was baptised, went out into the wilderness for 40 days, and then did not return to Galilee until after John's Arrest. The other records that Jesus was baptised, the next day met with Andrew and Simon, and then the next day went off to Galilee with them.

How can I know which to believe?

G-Mark:{1:9}
And it came to pass in those days, that Jesus came from
Nazareth of Galilee, and was baptized of John in Jordan.
{1:10} And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw
the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending
upon him: {1:11} And there came a voice from heaven,
[saying,] Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well
pleased. {1:12} And immediately the Spirit driveth him into
the wilderness. {1:13} And he was there in the wilderness
forty days, tempted of Satan; and was with the wild beasts;
and the angels ministered unto him. {1:14} Now after that
John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching
the gospel of the kingdom of God,

G-John: (OB:- this seems like the day after John Baptised Jesus.....) {1:40} One of the two which heard
John [speak,] and followed him, was Andrew, Simon
Peter’s brother. {1:41} He first findeth his own brother
Simon, and saith unto him, We have found the Messias,
which is, being interpreted, the Christ. {1:42} And he
brought him to Jesus. And when Jesus beheld him, he said,
Thou art Simon the son of Jona: thou shalt be called
Cephas, which is by interpretation, A stone.
{1:43} The day following Jesus would go forth into
Galilee, and findeth Philip, and saith unto him, Follow me.

RESPONSE: You are not reading actual histories but a collection of stories about Jesus.

Note that in John 1, Andrew first tells Simon that Jesus is the messiah, and Jesus changes Simon's name to Peter before Peter even became an apostle.

On the other hand, we have the famous Matthew 16 in which it is claimed that Jesus said:



But Andrew his brother, not the "Father" revealed this to Peter and Simon had his name changed to Peter at that time. Not much later.

Also, note that Matthew added the underlined portion to Mark's original gospel about ten years after it was written. Matthew copied from Mark as his source in about 92% of his writings.

Matthew 16New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)

Peter’s Declaration about Jesus
13 Now when Jesus came into the district of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, “Who do people say that the Son of Man is?� 14 And they said, “Some say John the Baptist, but others Elijah, and still others Jeremiah or one of the prophets.� 15 He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?� 16 Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah,[c] the Son of the living God.� 17 And Jesus answered him, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father in heaven. 18 And I tell you, you are Peter,[d] and on this rock[e] I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not prevail against it. 19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.� 20 Then he sternly ordered the disciples not to tell anyone that he was[f] the Messiah.[g]

It's always interesting to find someone like JW who tries to tell us that the gospel is an accurate account of events in spite of its many contradictions of which I am presenting only one.

[oldbadger]

G-John: (OB:- this seems like the day after John Baptised Jesus.....)

... but does it SAY it was the day after John Baptised?

Hi....
Well, it seems like that to me.
But it certainly does not suggest that it happened after a 40day absence on the wilderness!

[JehovahsWitness]

G-John: (OB:- this seems like the day after John Baptised Jesus.....)

... but does it SAY it was the day after John Baptised?

Hi....
Well, it seems like that to me.
But it certainly does not suggest that it happened after a 40day absence on the wilderness!

I'm sorry I cannot glean from your answer was that

"Yes it does say that in the text" or
"No it doesn't say that in the text"?

[oldbadger]

RESPONSE: You are not reading actual histories but a collection of stories about Jesus.

Yes, but it looks to me as if the collection of stories in G-John is on a jumbled up timeline, with a few real anecdotes mixed in with myth and outright fibs!

Note that in John 1, Andrew first tells Simon that Jesus is the messiah, and Jesus changes Simon's name to Peter before Peter even became an apostle.

Yes..... G-John seems to want to tell us that Jesus had miraculous insight.
G-Mark is a bit closwer to truth, methinks.

Also, note that Matthew added the underlined portion to Mark's original gospel about ten years after it was written. Matthew copied from Mark as his source in about 92% of his writings.

Matthew 16New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)

Peter’s Declaration about Jesus
13 Now when Jesus came into the district of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, “Who do people say that the Son of Man is?� 14 And they said, “Some say John the Baptist, but others Elijah, and still others Jeremiah or one of the prophets.� 15 He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?� 16 Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah,[c] the Son of the living God.� 17 And Jesus answered him, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father in heaven. 18 And I tell you, you are Peter,[d] and on this rock[e] I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not prevail against it. 19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.� 20 Then he sternly ordered the disciples not to tell anyone that he was[f] the Messiah.[g]

Yes.... I always seek to strip away any writings which stretch beyond Yeshua just being a Handworker who lead a mission for working Jews and the return of the 613 laws.
Anything to do with Christ., Christianity, Son of God etc I ignore........

It's always interesting to find someone like JW who tries to tell us that the gospel is an accurate account of events in spite of its many contradictions of which I am presenting only one.

...I am reading G-John (yet again!) in an attempt to catalogue its nonsenses.

[oldbadger]

I'm sorry I cannot glean from your answer was that

"Yes it does say that in the text" or
"No it doesn't say that in the text"?

Yes..... it was crystal clear!
Here, let me show in more detail!

You can follow the Days in more detail by reading your own bible, but each day is clearly defined.
Of course, G-Mark shows that Jesus was away from Galilee after meeting John for well over 40 days!
Which do you think is correct... G-Mark or G-John?


DAY1
{1:19} And this is the record of John, when the Jews sent
priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, Who art
thou? .............{1:26} John answered them, saying, I
baptize with water: but there standeth one among you,
whom ye know not; ........{1:28} These things were done in Bethabara beyond Jordan, where John was baptizing.

DAY2
{1:29} The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him,
and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the
sin of the world. ...................therefore am I come baptizing
with water.

DAY3
{1:35} Again the next day after John stood, and two of his
disciples; {1:36} And looking upon Jesus as he walked, he
saith, Behold the Lamb of God!............. They came and
saw where he dwelt, and abode with him that day....
.....................Andrew............. first findeth his own brother Simon,

DAY4
{1:43} The day following Jesus would go forth into
Galilee, and findeth Philip,


G-John made a big mistake, I think....

[oldbadger]

Amazing differences!
G-Mark reports that John Baptised Jesus, who then went out into the wastelands for 40 days, who then returned and stayed on with John until his arrest, and THEN returned to Galilee where he approached Simon and Andrew and asked them to come with him.

G-John reports that Jesus met up with Andrew and Simon on the second day after his baptism and they joined with him, going off TWO days later to Galilee to a wedding!

Surely, only one gospel can be true to what happened?

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to post 8 by oldbadger]

Well if you accept one as true that's one more than none and in my opinion a good thing.

Which one do you accept?

JW

[oldbadger]

[Replying to post 8 by oldbadger]

Well if you accept one as true that's one more than none and in my opinion a good thing.

Which one do you accept?

JW

I will tell you .......... because truth is good.
But I do expect you, in turn, to tell how G-John and G-Mark could be so at odds over a basic part of the story of Jesus.

IMO, G-Mark, once stripped of evangelistic additions, insertions, exaggerations and hyperbole is a true account of the life and mission of Yeshua BarYosef, the land-displaced handworker in the 2nd order of the peasant classes.

..... just sayin'......