Since Jesus believed Adam and Eve were real people

[OnceConvinced]

I see in the holy huddle room this question was asked. I want to examine it in here for everyone to discuss. However my question is slightly different.

Jesus seemed to believe that Adam and Eve were real people and the tales about them were true.

Does this prove that Jesus was a fallible human who believed mythological bible tales? Or does it prove that the mythological bible tales ARE actually true?

[bluethread]

Neither, it affirms the cultural construct. Depending upon the details of the reference, it may support the view that Adam and Havah were actual specific individuals. However, it is common in most languages to speak of things that may or may not have actually happened in the declarative, if those things are general cultural premises.

[Elijah John]

I see in the holy huddle room this question was asked. I want to examine it in here for everyone to discuss. However my question is slightly different.

Jesus seemed to believe that Adam and Eve were real people and the tales about them were true.

Does this prove that Jesus was a fallible human who believed mythological bible tales? Or does it prove that the mythological bible tales ARE actually true?

The former...Jesus was a fallible man of his times. But that is not to suggest that he had nothing of value to preach about God or how to relate to our fellow humans.

Nor is it a reflection on his character, or even on his supposed moral "perfection".

[Elijah John]

Neither, it affirms the cultural construct. Depending upon the details of the reference, it may support the view that Adam and Havah were actual specific individuals. However, it is common in most languages to speak of things that may or may not have actually happened in the declarative, if those things are general cultural premises.

I think I can go with that pov. As a cultural figurative reference, and that is not to suggest the affrimation of literal truth of said reference, just by virtue of making that reference.

[alwayson]

Jesus seemed to believe that Adam and Eve were real people and the tales about them were true.

How do you know what Jesus believed?

Educated Christian debaters don't even bring up Gospel stuff:



Even as Christians, they know the Gospels are retellings of the Septuagint and are written AFTER the letters of Paul.

[OnceConvinced]

Jesus seemed to believe that Adam and Eve were real people and the tales about them were true.

How do you know what Jesus believed?

I never said I knew what Jesus believed. Note, I said "seemed to believe". I simply stole the thread title from the thread made in the Holy Huddle subforum.

This thread takes the point of view that it seems Jesus believed Adam and Eve existed. We are debating based on that particular premise. This thread is not a debate about whether he actually believed that or not.

Educated Christian debaters don't even bring up Gospel stuff:



Even as Christians, they know the Gospels are retellings of the Septuagint and are written AFTER the letters of Paul.

It would pay to read the opening post properly before jumping to conclusions. None of what you are saying here relates to the premise given and the questions posed. If you wish to discuss your topic, then perhaps start another thread.

[alwayson]

Where are you getting Jesus "seemed to believe that Adam and Eve were real people and the tales about them were true"?

[OnceConvinced]

I never said I knew what Jesus believed. Note, I said "seemed to believe".

Where are you getting Jesus "seemed to believe" that?

Irrelevant question. On this thread we are taking that premise and debating based on that. It matters not whether you believe its true or not. If you disagree with the premise then feel free to move on or start another thread. Please don't attempt to hijack this one.

[alwayson]

This thread is not a debate about whether he actually believed that or not.

Then what does this mean:

Does this prove that Jesus was a fallible human who believed mythological bible tales?

[OnceConvinced]

This thread is not a debate about whether he actually believed that or not.

Then what does this mean:

Does this prove that Jesus was a fallible human who believed mythological bible tales?

Seriously, if you want to start a topic entitled "Did Jesus believe Adam and Eve were real people?", then please start that topic on a new thread. This thread already presumes that Jesus believed Adam and Eve were real people.