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So goes the Ralph Stanley song.

Daniel prayed to God, not the Messiah.

And Daniel's prayers were answered, by all accounts. The lions did not eat him.

Daniel did not appeal to the the intercession of any Messiah, nor did Daniel pray in the Messiah's name.

For debate, since direct prayer to YHVH was effective for Daniel, (and other OT heroes) why wouldn't direct prayer work for us?
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-God created us in His image, not the other way around.
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Re: Daniel prayed

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[Replying to post 70 by Justin108]

"How can you be sure he didn't talk to the real God?"

And how wold you know where did your telepathy come from?

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Re: Daniel prayed

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Monta wrote: [Replying to post 70 by Justin108]

"How can you be sure he didn't talk to the real God?"

And how wold you know where did your telepathy come from?
For the third time, I already explained this...
Justin108 wrote:I already explained this. If God is benevolent, he would prevent demons from communicating with us.

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Justin108 wrote:
Monta wrote: [Replying to post 70 by Justin108]

"How can you be sure he didn't talk to the real God?"

And how wold you know where did your telepathy come from?
For the third time, I already explained this...
Justin108 wrote:I already explained this. If God is benevolent, he would prevent demons from communicating with us.
Demons are not the problem never have been.
Man chooses what to believe.

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Re: Daniel prayed

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Monta wrote:
Justin108 wrote:
Monta wrote: [Replying to post 70 by Justin108]

"How can you be sure he didn't talk to the real God?"

And how wold you know where did your telepathy come from?
For the third time, I already explained this...
Justin108 wrote:I already explained this. If God is benevolent, he would prevent demons from communicating with us.
Demons are not the problem never have been.
Man chooses what to believe.
Oh is that a fact? Can you choose to believe that the president is a reptilian shapeshifter from a different dimension?

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Re: Daniel prayed

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[Replying to post 74 by Justin108]


"Oh is that a fact? Can you choose to believe that the president is a reptilian shapeshifter from a different dimension?"

If I chose so, yes.

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Monta wrote: [Replying to post 74 by Justin108]


"Oh is that a fact? Can you choose to believe that the president is a reptilian shapeshifter from a different dimension?"

If I chose so, yes.
Wow that's amazing. I myself can't choose what to believe. I'm driven by these annoying things called "reason" and "rational thought".

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Re: Daniel prayed

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Justin108 wrote:
Monta wrote: [Replying to post 74 by Justin108]


"Oh is that a fact? Can you choose to believe that the president is a reptilian shapeshifter from a different dimension?"

If I chose so, yes.
Wow that's amazing. I myself can't choose what to believe. I'm driven by these annoying things called "reason" and "rational thought".
Then you ARE choosing what to believe, and you feel that you are doing so by using reason and rational thought.

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Elijah John wrote: So goes the Ralph Stanley song.

Daniel prayed to God, not the Messiah.

And Daniel's prayers were answered, by all accounts. The lions did not eat him.

Daniel did not appeal to the the intercession of any Messiah, nor did Daniel pray in the Messiah's name.

For debate, since direct prayer to YHVH was effective for Daniel, (and other OT heroes) why wouldn't direct prayer work for us?
RESPONSE:

"The book of Daniel is replete with historical inaccuracies regarding the Babylonian and Persian periods, indicating it was written quite some time after those eras. Between this point, and the independent nature of the court tales, the person of 'Daniel' appears to be a literary fabrication, not a historical figure (and hence, not the author of the book). Davies suggests this 'Daniel' character may not have been a well-known figure in Jewish culture before the book was completed, and Collins is one scholar to suggest the very name 'Daniel' was chosen for the anonymous Jewish sage of the folklore out of inspiration from the ancient sage 'Danel', mentioned by Ezekiel and Ugaritic texts."

See references:

Philip R. Davies, Daniel, 42.

John J. Collins, The Apocalyptic Imagination, Chapter 3. (Kindle edition.)

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polonius.advice wrote:
Elijah John wrote: So goes the Ralph Stanley song.

Daniel prayed to God, not the Messiah.

And Daniel's prayers were answered, by all accounts. The lions did not eat him.

Daniel did not appeal to the the intercession of any Messiah, nor did Daniel pray in the Messiah's name.

For debate, since direct prayer to YHVH was effective for Daniel, (and other OT heroes) why wouldn't direct prayer work for us?
RESPONSE:

"The book of Daniel is replete with historical inaccuracies regarding the Babylonian and Persian periods, indicating it was written quite some time after those eras. Between this point, and the independent nature of the court tales, the person of 'Daniel' appears to be a literary fabrication, not a historical figure (and hence, not the author of the book). Davies suggests this 'Daniel' character may not have been a well-known figure in Jewish culture before the book was completed, and Collins is one scholar to suggest the very name 'Daniel' was chosen for the anonymous Jewish sage of the folklore out of inspiration from the ancient sage 'Danel', mentioned by Ezekiel and Ugaritic texts."

See references:

Philip R. Davies, Daniel, 42.

John J. Collins, The Apocalyptic Imagination, Chapter 3. (Kindle edition.)
Historically Daniel may not be fully true, but spirtualy it is. God was not interested to write us earthly histories (He probably trusted man's ability to do it), but only used some of it some of the time to teach some spirtual truths.

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Re: Daniel prayed

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onewithhim wrote:
Justin108 wrote:
Monta wrote: [Replying to post 74 by Justin108]


"Oh is that a fact? Can you choose to believe that the president is a reptilian shapeshifter from a different dimension?"

If I chose so, yes.
Wow that's amazing. I myself can't choose what to believe. I'm driven by these annoying things called "reason" and "rational thought".
Then you ARE choosing what to believe, and you feel that you are doing so by using reason and rational thought.
I am not choosing to use reason and rational thought. Reason and rational thought comes naturally to me. It's instinctive. If something is irrational, I cannot accept it.

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