Can a country with no public education compete with those that do have public education?
Are there any examples of countries without public education in the modern era that have succeeded economically and/or are thriving?
What would be the Pros of eliminating public education?
What are the cons of eliminating public education?
Is no public education good for a countries success?
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Is no public education good for a countries success?
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Post #2My view of public education is that it promotes immorality and uncivil ideals so that the benefits are far outweighed by the negatives.DanieltheDragon wrote: Can a country with no public education compete with those that do have public education?
Are there any examples of countries without public education in the modern era that have succeeded economically and/or are thriving?
What would be the Pros of eliminating public education?
What are the cons of eliminating public education?
If a person (any age) uses the public library in a serious and determined way then they can get a far better self education then any public education.
In the modern era we can see people like Bill Gates who first built his computer software in his garage and dropped out of college, so did Mark Zuckerberg create Facebook and dropped out of college, and other people can make millions just by selling stuff on eBay or Amazon, so the public education is not the key factor.
In the OP it says in the modern era but I see that restriction as unfitting, because the founding fathers of the USA before 1776 did not have any public education, and even if some had a formal education it was not on the standard of today, and yet many of them were brilliant and very educated by their self.
Abe Lincoln was dirt poor with no public library and yet he educated his self and if Lincoln could do that in his circumstance then so could people today.
What I find is that many people today see the education as like a sporting event where each one just needs to pass (to win) and being smarter is not the criteria.
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Post #3[Replying to post 2 by JP Cusick]
Opinion noted but you didn't actually answer any of the questions. It is limited to the modern era because public education and global economic competition didn't really start until the industrial revolution.
Are you posing an Amish type culture and economy?
Specifically what immoral and uncivil ideas does public education promote?
Bill Gates and Mark Zuckerberg are geniuses yet they still graduated high school. I don't think it is an apt comparison to think that everyone or an entire country can do what these people did.
Certainly people could educate themselves like Abe the question is could a country still compete economically if everyone did so?
Can you name any countries today that compete successfully without public education?
Opinion noted but you didn't actually answer any of the questions. It is limited to the modern era because public education and global economic competition didn't really start until the industrial revolution.
Are you posing an Amish type culture and economy?
Specifically what immoral and uncivil ideas does public education promote?
Bill Gates and Mark Zuckerberg are geniuses yet they still graduated high school. I don't think it is an apt comparison to think that everyone or an entire country can do what these people did.
Certainly people could educate themselves like Abe the question is could a country still compete economically if everyone did so?
Can you name any countries today that compete successfully without public education?
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Post #4I apologize for that.DanieltheDragon wrote: Opinion noted but you didn't actually answer any of the questions.
In my repentance I give direct answers to the OP at bottom:
The worse is the promotion of sexual activity and sexual deviance.DanieltheDragon wrote: Specifically what immoral and uncivil ideas does public education promote?
Near to that is the promotion of competition as the governing mentality.
The schools teach anti God and anti religion, and promote secular humanism.
The failure to teach the civil laws or about the Courts is a big problem too.
A person could do one tenth or one hundredth (1/100) of what those three did and still be a gigantic success.DanieltheDragon wrote: Bill Gates and Mark Zuckerberg are geniuses yet they still graduated high school. I don't think it is an apt comparison to think that everyone or an entire country can do what these people did.
Certainly people could educate themselves like Abe the question is could a country still compete economically if everyone did so?
A poor person can make just one million (1M$) and that can take them out of poverty and into prosperity - they do not need to make billions or become President, and so worldly success is available to anyone willing to put forth the effort - and that can be done with or without a public education.
No, I can not.DanieltheDragon wrote: Can you name any countries today that compete successfully without public education?
But I object to that concept of competition, as if the Countries of the world must compete with the USA in order to be successful.
I know of many people in the USA who do not want to compete in our own American society as they just want to live simple and peaceful lives.
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No, they can not.DanieltheDragon wrote: Can a country with no public education compete with those that do have public education?
The problem is that public education is not teaching the subjects that challenge the students or that empower them with the tools that they really need. As like accurate and true and relevant history is not taught any where in the entire world. Also they are not being taught any realistic approach to God or to religion.
China is the best example we have - IMO.DanieltheDragon wrote: Are there any examples of countries without public education in the modern era that have succeeded economically and/or are thriving?
China has embraced the best ideas of both Communism and of Capitalism and it appears (from afar) to be working quite well.
Of course I know nothing about the public education in China.
I can not give any pros or cons for eliminating public ed.DanieltheDragon wrote: What would be the Pros of eliminating public education?
What are the cons of eliminating public education?
The real solution is in changing the public education into a realistic instrument for educating the students for real life, and that could not be done except by warfare and revolution.
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Sexual education is woefully inadequate in the Us with most states opting out all together. I am unaware of any sex ed program that promotes any sexual activity or deviance. That being said deviance is subjective opinion. It would be best for schools to avoid that all together and limit said moral discussions to rape,abuse,assault,harassment. Parents can further teach whatever morals in addition to that on their own time.The worse is the promotion of sexual activity and sexual deviance
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What course material and subject promotes this? Aside from that being violation of the first amendment, why is the vast majority of Americans identified as Christian?The schools teach anti God and anti religion, and promote secular humanism.
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I agree 100%. Civics is also an important subject often gutted due to budget cuts.The failure to teach the civil laws or about the Courts is a big problem too.
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Or you know you could vote instead of killing people.The real solution is in changing the public education into a realistic instrument for educating the students for real life, and that could not be done except by warfare and revolution
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There's also the issue of educating folks to believe unsupportable religious claims, or to teach that the environment / global warming ain't important 'cause, ya know, "Bring on the End Times, Bring on the Rapture!"
And don't get me started with the flat earthers.
(edit 'cause the and they are two different words)
This question seems a bit vague, or poorly worded. Sure they could compete, and sure they could even win. They could win by not electing Donald Trump to be their president.Can a country with no public education compete with those that do have public education?
'Pends on what it takes to "thrive". A country that there it sits being it all one, well that's "thriving" right there.Are there any examples of countries without public education in the modern era that have succeeded economically and/or are thriving?
We wouldn't have to pay to educate the poors, or folks who don't match our skin tone or religious or political ideals.What would be the Pros of eliminating public education?
That it ain't about conservatives being upset at what they perceive to be a "liberal institution".What are the cons of eliminating public education?
There's also the issue of educating folks to believe unsupportable religious claims, or to teach that the environment / global warming ain't important 'cause, ya know, "Bring on the End Times, Bring on the Rapture!"
And don't get me started with the flat earthers.
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Did you attend public schools?
If not, I propose you lack sufficient perspective.
If so, your "immoral" education indicates you're not to be trusted to tell us the truth.
Some folks are great at educating themselves, others need 'em some help.
What if they find themselves in a library that only houses public school material?
What if it's a public library? A public library with public school material?
Immoral, uncivil scum!
This is the problem with your arguments - you're considering exceptional folks, where there's more folks than just the exceptional'ns.
That ain't smart.
So much for considerin' only the exceptionals.
Just 'cause they don't get mentioned, or become billionaires, don't mean they ain't doing 'em good for society.
(Edit for the striking. I felt erasing it might be perceived as just "hiding" something I might find detrimental to my own argument/s.)
[strike]Lacking specifics, it's hard to agree or disagree here. Could you provide a few examples of such?[/strike]JP Cusick wrote: My view of public education is that it promotes immorality and uncivil ideals so that the benefits are far outweighed by the negatives.
Did you attend public schools?
If not, I propose you lack sufficient perspective.
If so, your "immoral" education indicates you're not to be trusted to tell us the truth.
I wish I knew that when I was a one year old baby, and couldn't read. I coulda just crawled me on down to the library, and taught myself how to read! Think how much I'da known by the age of two!JP Cusick wrote: If a person (any age) uses the public library in a serious and determined way then they can get a far better self education then any public education.
Some folks are great at educating themselves, others need 'em some help.
What if they find themselves in a library that only houses public school material?
What if it's a public library? A public library with public school material?
Gates was the son of well-to-do parents, who could afford to send him to private school.JP Cusick wrote: In the modern era we can see people like Bill Gates who first built his computer software in his garage and dropped out of college...
Attended Ardsley High School. A publicly funded school.JP Cusick wrote: so did Mark Zuckerberg create Facebook and dropped out of college
Immoral, uncivil scum!
And other people can lose millions just by trying to sell stuff.JP Cusick wrote: and other people can make millions just by selling stuff on eBay or Amazon, so the public education is not the key factor.
This says nothing about the masses who vote.JP Cusick wrote: In the OP it says in the modern era but I see that restriction as unfitting, because the founding fathers of the USA before 1776 did not have any public education
This says nothing about their less well off contemporaries. Who knows, maybe if some 1776 young'n had 'em a public education, they coulda built 'em an operating system and put 'em the facebook on it.JP Cusick wrote: and even if some had a formal education it was not on the standard of today, and yet many of them were brilliant and very educated by their self.
This is the problem with your arguments - you're considering exceptional folks, where there's more folks than just the exceptional'ns.
Lincoln didn't protect his flanks and ended up with him a fatal noggin' shootin'.JP Cusick wrote: Abe Lincoln was dirt poor with no public library and yet he educated his self and if Lincoln could do that in his circumstance then so could people today.
That ain't smart.
So much for considerin' only the exceptionals.
While I agree too many students just show up to get by, there are many young folks who are proud to attend their publicly funded schools, and who go on to do great things.JP Cusick wrote: What I find is that many people today see the education as like a sporting event where each one just needs to pass (to win) and being smarter is not the criteria.
Just 'cause they don't get mentioned, or become billionaires, don't mean they ain't doing 'em good for society.
(Edit for the striking. I felt erasing it might be perceived as just "hiding" something I might find detrimental to my own argument/s.)
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