What did Paul mean by this? In what way does nature teach this?1 Corinthians 11:14-15 wrote: Does not even nature itself teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a dishonor to him, but if a woman has long hair, it is a glory to her? For her hair is given to her for a covering.
Is Nature against males having long hair?
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Is Nature against males having long hair?
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Re: Is Nature against males having long hair?
Post #31It remains that Paul said that long hair on a man is unnatural.JP Cusick wrote:Samson was a Nazarite with the long hair, but the followers of Jesus had their sins forgiven so Paul told them for Men to cut their hair short and woman to wear hair long. See 1 Corinthians 11:14-15
With some effort then eventually everything in the Bible adds up together.
So you would agree that the apostle Paul wasted his time on trivialities.psychoslice wrote:I wouldn't be concerned about it at all, there are more important things in life to be concerned with than hair, be it long, short, or bald.
Examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good.
First Epistle to the Church of the Thessalonians
The truth will make you free.
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Re: Is Nature against males having long hair?
Post #32In the KJV it says "shame" and other interpretations see that word as "guilt" and so the translation of "unnatural" is obviously ambiguous.McCulloch wrote:It remains that Paul said that long hair on a man is unnatural.JP Cusick wrote:Samson was a Nazarite with the long hair, but the followers of Jesus had their sins forgiven so Paul told them for Men to cut their hair short and woman to wear hair long. See 1 Corinthians 11:14-15
With some effort then eventually everything in the Bible adds up together.
Surely it is not sound to take one other translation as LITERAL and declare that the word is to be accepted as literally "unnatural" and nothing else but unnatural.
In today's English it is not uncommon to hear people throwing around the words natural and unnatural without it being intended as a literal meaning.
As one might say smoking a cigarette is unnatural, but that depends on the definition of natural.
As to the hair the Apostle Paul was surely aware of this too = Psalm 68:21
"Trespass" is equivalent to sin, as the hair on the head is a sign of sin.
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I would say that , none of this matters and should not be worried over. Lions and prostitues and hair, Oh my! God made us. Do y'all not think He knew we grew hair? Must be in the 614th commandment.....
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Re: Is Nature against males having long hair?
Post #35Yes I would have to say that Paul if he wrote that stuff was wasting his time, my god if there is a god out there that worries about hair it doesn't say much for him at all.McCulloch wrote:It remains that Paul said that long hair on a man is unnatural.JP Cusick wrote:Samson was a Nazarite with the long hair, but the followers of Jesus had their sins forgiven so Paul told them for Men to cut their hair short and woman to wear hair long. See 1 Corinthians 11:14-15
With some effort then eventually everything in the Bible adds up together.
So you would agree that the apostle Paul wasted his time on trivialities.psychoslice wrote:I wouldn't be concerned about it at all, there are more important things in life to be concerned with than hair, be it long, short, or bald.
Re: Is Nature against males having long hair?
Post #36The Bible tells of many things in order to get people to stop living like wild brute beast, and that includes grooming because our body is to be a temple.psychoslice wrote: Yes I would have to say that Paul if he wrote that stuff was wasting his time, my god if there is a god out there that worries about hair it doesn't say much for him at all.
The Bible tells us how to discipline our minds - how to think, it tells us how to speak, how to dress moderately, tells what to eat and what not to eat, it tells us how to act with friends and with family and with strangers and even how to act with enemies, and the Bible seems to cover every base and aspect with nothing left out, so telling women that their long hair is a blessed covering and for men to cut our hair short is not out of line.
It does not mean that God is worried about hair - it means that we humans need to rise above our animalistic heritage.
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Re: Is Nature against males having long hair?
Post #38So women can grow long hair and men can't, that is so ridiculous.JP Cusick wrote:The Bible tells of many things in order to get people to stop living like wild brute beast, and that includes grooming because our body is to be a temple.psychoslice wrote: Yes I would have to say that Paul if he wrote that stuff was wasting his time, my god if there is a god out there that worries about hair it doesn't say much for him at all.
The Bible tells us how to discipline our minds - how to think, it tells us how to speak, how to dress moderately, tells what to eat and what not to eat, it tells us how to act with friends and with family and with strangers and even how to act with enemies, and the Bible seems to cover every base and aspect with nothing left out, so telling women that their long hair is a blessed covering and for men to cut our hair short is not out of line.
It does not mean that God is worried about hair - it means that we humans need to rise above our animalistic heritage.
Re: Is Nature against males having long hair?
Post #39It is not that they can or can not - it was not a commandment.psychoslice wrote: So women can grow long hair and men can't, that is so ridiculous.
For a man to have long hair (including facial hair) is a sign of guilt, and it means continuing in the guilt (hiding some thing), because if the man repents then the guilt gets relief, and it comes from our animalistic heritage, because humans are just hairy animals, and religion along with morality and repentance makes us superior to our old carnal self.
For women their long hair is a sign of glory and honor - so to cut off the hair is done after they reject their own glory and honor.
The hair does not make anyone as good or bad, does not make anyone as right or wrong, it is just a physical sign and a mark for all to see.
I did not make it this way, so there is no need to get upset with me, as I am just the reporter of the News.
My view is that the Apostle Paul said that "nature" made us this way because Paul was referring to our animal nature, and that is simply accurate.
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Re: Is Nature against males having long hair?
Post #40JP Cusick posted:JP Cusick wrote:It is not that they can or can not - it was not a commandment.psychoslice wrote: So women can grow long hair and men can't, that is so ridiculous.
For a man to have long hair (including facial hair) is a sign of guilt, and it means continuing in the guilt (hiding some thing), because if the man repents then the guilt gets relief, and it comes from our animalistic heritage, because humans are just hairy animals, and religion along with morality and repentance makes us superior to our old carnal self.
For women their long hair is a sign of glory and honor - so to cut off the hair is done after they reject their own glory and honor.
The hair does not make anyone as good or bad, does not make anyone as right or wrong, it is just a physical sign and a mark for all to see.
I did not make it this way, so there is no need to get upset with me, as I am just the reporter of the News.
My view is that the Apostle Paul said that "nature" made us this way because Paul was referring to our animal nature, and that is simply accurate.
For a man to have long hair (including facial hair) is a sign of guilt, and it means continuing in the guilt (hiding some thing), because if the man repents then the guilt gets relief, and it comes from our animalistic heritage, because humans are just hairy animals, and religion along with morality and repentance makes us superior to our old carnal self.
.I did not make it this way, so there is no need to get upset with me, as I am just the reporter of the News.
QUESTION: Does this mean that men with long hair can be identified as sinners, but women with long hair cannot?
Didn't Jesus have long hair?
I find it difficult to take such arguments seriously.