If Jesus is Jehovah, as some say, what then is the name of the Father?
Presumably He has one, as Jesus teaches us in the Lord's prayer to "hallow" the Father's name.
If Jesus is Jehovah (YHVH)
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Elijah John
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If Jesus is Jehovah (YHVH)
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My theological positions:
-God created us in His image, not the other way around.
-The Bible is redeemed by it's good parts.
-Pure monotheism, simple repentance.
-YHVH is LORD
-The real Jesus is not God, the real YHVH is not a monster.
-Eternal life is a gift from the Living God.
-Keep the Commandments, keep your salvation.
-I have accepted YHVH as my Heavenly Father, LORD and Savior.
I am inspired by Jesus to worship none but YHVH, and to serve only Him.
-God created us in His image, not the other way around.
-The Bible is redeemed by it's good parts.
-Pure monotheism, simple repentance.
-YHVH is LORD
-The real Jesus is not God, the real YHVH is not a monster.
-Eternal life is a gift from the Living God.
-Keep the Commandments, keep your salvation.
-I have accepted YHVH as my Heavenly Father, LORD and Savior.
I am inspired by Jesus to worship none but YHVH, and to serve only Him.
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The NAME of GOD is symbolic of all HIS divine attributes, intentions and reasons. All Divine persons have the name of YHWH when Their Unity is the attribute being pointed out. The appellation for One such divine person as an individual is The Father, another is The Son and the last is The Holy Spirit. Idolatry of an appellation may lead to disputing attributes.Elijah John wrote:
The Lord's prayer sure seems to indicate that He does.
In the name of the Father would indicate the individual idiosyncrasies of the Father within the Unity, etc.
PCE Theology as I see it...
We had an existence with a free will in Sheol before the creation of the physical universe. Here we chose to be able to become holy or to be eternally evil in YHWH's sight. Then the physical universe was created and all sinners were sent to earth.
This theology debunks the need to base Christianity upon the blasphemy of creating us in Adam's sin.
We had an existence with a free will in Sheol before the creation of the physical universe. Here we chose to be able to become holy or to be eternally evil in YHWH's sight. Then the physical universe was created and all sinners were sent to earth.
This theology debunks the need to base Christianity upon the blasphemy of creating us in Adam's sin.
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Variously, The Son, The Christ, and Jesus. Emmanuel as meaning GOD is with us is nice too.Elijah John wrote:Thank you. And what is the name of the Son?Faber wrote:I did in my first post. Here it is again:Elijah John wrote: Has anyone addressed the question of what is the Father's name?
YHWH/Jehovah
PCE Theology as I see it...
We had an existence with a free will in Sheol before the creation of the physical universe. Here we chose to be able to become holy or to be eternally evil in YHWH's sight. Then the physical universe was created and all sinners were sent to earth.
This theology debunks the need to base Christianity upon the blasphemy of creating us in Adam's sin.
We had an existence with a free will in Sheol before the creation of the physical universe. Here we chose to be able to become holy or to be eternally evil in YHWH's sight. Then the physical universe was created and all sinners were sent to earth.
This theology debunks the need to base Christianity upon the blasphemy of creating us in Adam's sin.
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None of those names is Jehovah, (YHVH). Clearly, they are different names. Jesus was never called "Jehovah (YHVH).ttruscott wrote:Variously, The Son, The Christ, and Jesus. Emmanuel as meaning GOD is with us is nice too.Elijah John wrote:Thank you. And what is the name of the Son?Faber wrote:I did in my first post. Here it is again:Elijah John wrote: Has anyone addressed the question of what is the Father's name?
YHWH/Jehovah
My theological positions:
-God created us in His image, not the other way around.
-The Bible is redeemed by it's good parts.
-Pure monotheism, simple repentance.
-YHVH is LORD
-The real Jesus is not God, the real YHVH is not a monster.
-Eternal life is a gift from the Living God.
-Keep the Commandments, keep your salvation.
-I have accepted YHVH as my Heavenly Father, LORD and Savior.
I am inspired by Jesus to worship none but YHVH, and to serve only Him.
-God created us in His image, not the other way around.
-The Bible is redeemed by it's good parts.
-Pure monotheism, simple repentance.
-YHVH is LORD
-The real Jesus is not God, the real YHVH is not a monster.
-Eternal life is a gift from the Living God.
-Keep the Commandments, keep your salvation.
-I have accepted YHVH as my Heavenly Father, LORD and Savior.
I am inspired by Jesus to worship none but YHVH, and to serve only Him.
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Whatever else you may be saying here, you clearly you seem to be saying that YHVH is the collective name of the Trinity? Correct me if I misunderstand.ttruscott wrote:The NAME of GOD is symbolic of all HIS divine attributes, intentions and reasons. All Divine persons have the name of YHWH when Their Unity is the attribute being pointed out. The appellation for One such divine person as an individual is The Father, another is The Son and the last is The Holy Spirit. Idolatry of an appellation may lead to disputing attributes.Elijah John wrote:
The Lord's prayer sure seems to indicate that He does.
In the name of the Father would indicate the individual idiosyncrasies of the Father within the Unity, etc.
But if that is the case, doesn't the Father have a unique name of His own? If not, what was Jesus talking about when he said about the Father, "hallowed be THY name"?
My theological positions:
-God created us in His image, not the other way around.
-The Bible is redeemed by it's good parts.
-Pure monotheism, simple repentance.
-YHVH is LORD
-The real Jesus is not God, the real YHVH is not a monster.
-Eternal life is a gift from the Living God.
-Keep the Commandments, keep your salvation.
-I have accepted YHVH as my Heavenly Father, LORD and Savior.
I am inspired by Jesus to worship none but YHVH, and to serve only Him.
-God created us in His image, not the other way around.
-The Bible is redeemed by it's good parts.
-Pure monotheism, simple repentance.
-YHVH is LORD
-The real Jesus is not God, the real YHVH is not a monster.
-Eternal life is a gift from the Living God.
-Keep the Commandments, keep your salvation.
-I have accepted YHVH as my Heavenly Father, LORD and Savior.
I am inspired by Jesus to worship none but YHVH, and to serve only Him.
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Re: If Jesus is Jehovah (YHVH)
Post #15That has been refuted on another thread, which you haven't even read, apparently. There were many things "hallowed" in the Scriptures, including Aaron and other priests, the people as a whole, land, events.....so your contention that Jesus has to be God because he is "hallowed" doesn't hold water.Faber wrote: [Replying to post 1 by Elijah John]
YHWH/Jehovah.
You mentioned that the Father's name is "hallowed." The same Greek word is used in reference to the Lord Jesus in worship in 1 Peter 3:15.
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Re: If Jesus is Jehovah (YHVH)
Post #16[Replying to post 7 by Faber]
The point is that the person or thing being sanctified does not mean that the person or thing is to be WORSHIPED.
Sanctified means "being set apart" as clean and holy.
The point is that the person or thing being sanctified does not mean that the person or thing is to be WORSHIPED.
Sanctified means "being set apart" as clean and holy.
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YHWH/JehovahElijah John wrote:Thank you. And what is the name of the Son?Faber wrote:I did in my first post. Here it is again:Elijah John wrote: Has anyone addressed the question of what is the Father's name?
YHWH/Jehovah
Re: If Jesus is Jehovah (YHVH)
Post #18Only God is to be hallowed in worship. This proves the Lord Jesus is God.onewithhim wrote:That has been refuted on another thread, which you haven't even read, apparently. There were many things "hallowed" in the Scriptures, including Aaron and other priests, the people as a whole, land, events.....so your contention that Jesus has to be God because he is "hallowed" doesn't hold water.Faber wrote: [Replying to post 1 by Elijah John]
YHWH/Jehovah.
You mentioned that the Father's name is "hallowed." The same Greek word is used in reference to the Lord Jesus in worship in 1 Peter 3:15.
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Re: If Jesus is Jehovah (YHVH)
Post #19There's a similar proof in mathematics that 2 = 0. Here it is.Faber wrote:
Only God is to be hallowed in worship. This proves the Lord Jesus is God.
1/ -1 = -1/1
taking square roots of both sides we get 1/i = i/1
Now multiply both sides by i and we get 1 = -1 and so 2 = 0.
With a bit of good will we can "prove" anything.
There's a big flaw in both proofs. In yours, it is the false premise:
"Only God is to be hallowed." Of course, as with the mathematics "proof", we can say what we want when we use special definitions, employing their speciality to pin down our false notion.
