Demons before the Crucifix

[Willum]

So, I'd like to ask the simple question:

Before the crucifix what did demons and vampires (etc ad nauseum) run away from?
The Jews would have no power over them without that idol of Christ, correct?

So how did they get rid of demons, vampires, fairies, unicorns and so on?

[Zzyzx]

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[Replying to post 20 by Regens Küchl]

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[Willum]

[Replying to post 20 by Regens Küchl]

Ah, thank you, but I am not certain these are Before Christ entries - the Greek is, as you say not evil... and that begs the question itself.

Do you assume they don't exist? In consideration, I don't even know what to make of "Greek spirits" in the Hebrew context.
Could Jesus exercise non-demonic spirits? You see, you start to count angels on the heads of pins real fast...

Also begging the question, were the sacrifices to demons, or non-existence spirits?

It beyond my ability to reason-out, I suppose.

Anyone?

[ttruscott]

Team - this topic is about what was done about demons, fairies and vampires BEFORE Jesus and the crucifix.

[Replying to post 11 by OnceConvinced]

I suppose there is no denying that this is the cupie doll.
Yes, there were no such things as demons until the NT.

There were, gods, maybe false gods, but no demons.

I believe this conclusion is wrongly concluded as based on ignorance...

wiki on Demonic Possession:
We are told that "an evil spirit troubled" Saul (1 Samuel 16:14). The Hebrew rûah need not imply a personal influence, though, if we may judge from Josephus (Ant. Jud., VI, viii, 2; ii, 2), the Jews were inclined to give the word that meaning in this very case; [Saul's evil spirit].

Music:
1 Samuel 16:23: So it came about whenever the evil spirit from God came to Saul, David would take the harp and play it with his hand; and Saul would be refreshed and be well, and the evil spirit would depart from him.

Smoke:
In the what Protestants call apocryphal but Catholics have as canon, the Book of Tobit, Sarah resided in the city of Media and was tormented by a demon. She had been married to seven husbands, all of whom the evil spirit Asmodeus had killed before they had lain with her; indicating that the demon caused her to strangle them.Tobit 3:8 Tobias had previously caught a fish in the story and was instructed by Brother Aarias on how to cast out the demon: "if a devil or an evil spirit trouble any, we must make a smoke thereof before the man or the woman, and the party shall be no more vexed.

So in at least one canonical, OT reference and one aprocraphyl reference we have two methods pre-cross for dealing with demons, to whit, smoke and music.

[ttruscott]

I wonder what the real, dare I say, genesis of demons is?

I dare say that they are the followers of the Satanic rebellion who where thrown/cast to the earth by Michael and the holy angels. The first one of note was the serpent of the garden. Revelation 12:7 And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought, 8 but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them in heaven any longer. 9 So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

The Satanic angels when born as human (Matthew 13:38-39) are the goats of Matt 25:41.

[Willum]

[Replying to post 23 by ttruscott]

Covered, if not read.
Those refer to human spirits...

So, no demons before Christ...
Maybe he brought them with him.

The fallen angel myth is from AD.